Other posts had me thinking the whole temporal implications of Gary Seven and the Xindi/Daniels arcs. TOS era had records of events that indicated Seven's interference, yet no mention is made of the race that sent him. Seven apparently had other "incidents" to his credit. So, if these aliens were trying to help Earth, then why didn't they stop the Xindi? Also, what did the Starfleet/Timefleet dudes do to this outsider meddling? Could the Seven-time-aliens and the Xindi-time-aliens be one and the same?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The two hundred years between Gary's Earth and the Xindi attack is a long time. That's plenty of time Gary's homeys to stop whatever they were doing for political, cultural, or technical reasons. Perhaps, once Earth was advanced enough on its own, the aliens let them be.
As for the whole Xindi-TCW connection, it's superfluous at best. The Xindi influence was primarily trans-dimensional, not temporal; the various things Daniels was showing up to pester Archer about had to do mostly with the rest of the TCW, not the Xindi plot. I interpret this as Daniels shepherding Archer to keep making the correct decisions, influencing him to stay the course for his ultimate confrontation with the not-Remans at the top of this season.
Daniels HAD to keep bugging Archer, because his own previous TCW meddling kept annoying Archer into possibly making different decisions that would alter his timeline. This in turn was promted by the other factions vying to change the timelines for their embetterment. I see the Xindi Guardians as elements or pawns of some other TCW faction, not a faction themselves.
So despite dialogue to the contrary, when Daniels sent Archer back to present-day Earth to thwart those reptilitans, it was possibly because some faction in the TCW (FutureGuy?) had influenced the Xindi influencers into influencing the Xindi to destroy Earth in the past. Or something.
Time travel. Tricky business. Unpredictable.
Mark
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
If I remember right Gary Seven was not just sent spatially but back in time as well. I always had the impression that he was sent back several hundred years.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye Daniels is Gary Seven. After scoping out Terri Garr in her prime, Daniels altered his appearance (easy to do in the future) and went back in time to tap that primo aincent-Earth booty.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, this is always the problem with advanced watcher/helper types, isn't it? How come Superhero X can't save us from the latest war/meteorite/rocket attack/nostalgia-driven fashion?
There's no suggestion that Gary Seven traveled in time, anyway, that I recall.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Wasn't Gary Seven sent to prevent World War III? If World War III happened, I think his supporter's mission had failed.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, he's there to help out Earth, or so he claimed, but he didn't really get specific about it.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I might be thinking of stuff said in the Eugenics Wars books then, I haven't seen Assignment: Earth in awhile, so I don't know whats from on-screen or not.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I mean, he certainly acts in such a way as to prevent such a war. . . well, not a war, but us launching a weapon that. . . wait a minute, surely we have the right to launch whatever weaponry we please, nosey aliens be damned. I never voted for Gary Seven.
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
Gary Seven said he was a human being of the 20th Century; he just wasn't raised on Earth. Scotty was the source of the time travel quote. The beam was so powerful it fused the transporter's circuits, so there was no way to be certain exactly where (or even when) he had beamed from.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I always thought that Coto should have revealed that FutureGuy was Gary Seven. It would've been right in line with his other cool TOS connections, and it wouldn't have been too much of a stretch, since FG seemed to have been working for the benefit of the heroes all along, albeit in not-so-obvious ways. The actor who plays him even looks like Robert Lansing, too! Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Does he now? I'll have to kidnap him.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
(Well, in my opinion.)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Exactly. Besides, it would be sooo much eaasier to kidnap the real Robert Lansing.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I suppose it would, being that he's sitting in a coffin 6 feet under the ground somewhere, not going anywhere. Easy target.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
He's just a shovel away....
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
And we can use the controller from Spock's brain....
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Robo-Spock (or Lansing for that matter) would make a terrible actor.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Well there's always cgi.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
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