Since the first post kind of changed topic to the TMP Special edition, and that it's now six pages long, I decided to create a new topic.
Anyway, I bought the calendar last night, & wanted to report on some goodies I don't think anyone else found. So...
-The NCC-1000, obviously. The ship (and the space station) doesn't look as bad as people have been saying. It's actually quite neat. Too bad that the artist didn't see fit to actually name the thing.
-In August's entry, the war scene above Organia contains the Enterprise, the Lexington, and three Klingon ships. The surprise here? One of the ships is actually the unused Klingon Battlecruiser design from "Unexpected" (remember, they used a K'T'Inga because Bonchune didn't have the real ship ready in time?) It's on the right-hand side of the pic, and unfurtunately a bit of the starboard side is cut off, but it's mostly viewable as a top-view. A D-6, anyone?
-Finally, in October's entry, we see the TOS Ent being converted into the TMP Ent. Right above the ship, we see another vessel tugging one of the Ent's new nacelles. It's sort of a four-nacelled version of the Oberth, only where the underslung pod would be, is the Ent's nacelle.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Scans...?
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Is there even a CGI version of the Oberth? I wonder if we will ever see a Sphinx version of the Workbee.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
quote: The NCC-1000, obviously. The ship (and the space station) doesn't look as bad as people have been saying. It's actually quite neat. Too bad that the artist didn't see fit to actually name the thing.
She doesn't have to - we all know this is the Horizon anyway...
The four-nacelled Oberth sounds as if somebody's paying homage (at the very least) to the Todega tug of, was it Jackill's?
Gotta see that Klingon ship close up. D6? D4? D8?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Although I have a scanner (but it's not hooked up), I figured I'd be nice & take a few pics with my digital camera in the meantime. They're not the greatest shots, as a scan would do much better, but I know how impatient us Flare-ites are.
Looks like the Odanta class sold through Starshipmodeler.com. I dont care for that space station though- the windows look uneven and too large for the design.
I dig that Oberth variant- it seems the pylons are graspers of some kind- mabye the Oberth's pod is swappable after all.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
The sad thing is, NCC-1000 does look better than NX-01 (at least it doesn't look like clone of Akira with bottom chopped off...
And Jason, judging from size of the nacelle this Oberth-tug is much more smaller than actual Oberth. But yeah, the space station looks weird - kinda like giant space moth-repellent Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
You know, the oberth-tug, and I�m going with your idea here Jason, kind of reminds me of that weird looking ship inside spacedock. Remember the one? Blueish cargo-carrier looking thing? I always thought that the ship had an oberth-looking saucer. Could the artist for this calender have been that smart?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
That's what I was thinking, actually.
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
I sort of like NCC-1000. Not as nice as the original E but I still like it.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Is it possible the name is on the other side? It doesn't look like an 0 at the end, but its hard to tell.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Heck, from this angle, it's not even clear whether this is NCC-1000 or something like NCC-1086. Which is good for those who want to add this design to a fandom timeline that already features a NCC-1000 of a different design...
Looks like this is the exact Constitution saucer - same shape, diameter, judging by rim detail and bridge relative size - with add-ons and different engines, rather than just a generally similar hull.
It's growing on me, definitely. (AAAGGGHH! Get it off! Get it off!)
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The only similarities between that defected Oberth and the Cargo ship from spacedock is the dome and the small nacelles placed at the front. It has an underslung carriage - and the nacelles are different.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Might be a new build saucer. The rim windows are different so that at least would have had to be rebuilt. It looks like the rim is less tapered anyway. It also looks like its got a different deflector grid (more refit like)
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
Personally, I'm tired of ships that look like someone's stuffed a secondary hull into the saucer like a pita bread. Weak!
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrNeutron: Personally, I'm tired of ships that look like someone's stuffed a secondary hull into the saucer like a pita bread. Weak!
It seems to make a lot more sense than hving this thin, fragile-looking little neck holding the two huge segments of your ship together, though.
I've been wanting to see that unused Klingon design since Bonchune first mentioned it in the Magazine. Cool!
-MMoM Posted by Wee Bairns (Member # 1324) on :
On the subject of the NCC-1000 possibly being a refit, the bridge looks more like a refit module than that of the original Connie.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Looks to me like they stuck the back end of the refit modual (the part with the docking port) onto the normal sensor dome.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kazeite: And Jason, judging from size of the nacelle this Oberth-tug is much more smaller than actual Oberth. But yeah, the space station looks weird - kinda like giant space moth-repellent
Mabye they terraform planets by dropping giant air-fresheners on them from orbit. It might explain why every planet seems to have pine trees...
Looking at the tug, it actually is unique! It does not use the standard Oberth saucer at all, and while it would indeed be nice of this was intended to represent the odd ship from spacedock, I doubt it. The attention to prior year's calanders was never that high and only we would think to shore up a....minor mystery in such a way.
It's what makes us unique: when all of fandom is boiled down to it's bare essence, we are the refined crystal meth of starship geekiness.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: Heck, from this angle, it's not even clear whether this is NCC-1000 or something like NCC-1086. Which is good for those who want to add this design to a fandom timeline that already features a NCC-1000 of a different design...
And what about those fandoms that already feature a NCC-1086? Did you ever think of them, hmm?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Never.
'Xept with deep disdain, that is.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
The ship definitely says "NCC-1000." You just can't see it that well with my crappy pictures.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well, I've got the calendar and the registry is indeed NCC-1000 with no name.
Damn, beaten by a minute.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: The ship definitely says "NCC-1000." You just can't see it that well with my crappy pictures.
To be honest, if you look carefuly you can make out that it's at least 'NCC-100x', so they aren't that crappy.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
That said, the last number could be an 8, and you could be telling porkie pies.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Yet, the number is still 1000. It's on the saucer and nacelle clearly in the actual published image in the calendar.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
Nah, i'm just pulling your leg! We all know it's NCC-1000.
But I would like to know three things:
1) looking at the cover, are they implying that DY-500's are not all in a museum / harbouring ex world dictators?
2)Just how trashed are those connies in May's? (what a crime! And inaccurate if that is from The Ultimate Computer)
and
3)Can we identify the ship seperating herself in November as the Ent nil, and is that torpedo heading towards or away from where her launchers won't be until after the refit ?
Answers on a postcard folks.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
The separated ship is the TOS version of E-nil and that is a torpedo heading away from the bottom of the neck. It is quite possible there was a single launcher there. We saw that the Defiant fired aft torpedoes from the bottom of the neck (even though it was intended to fire from a hole in the impulse engine block in between the grills).
You'll also notice on the image of the hand holding onto the Enterprise bears the number NCC-xx64 implying it's the Defiant instead.
And the images were multiple TOS shuttles were used, they bear the wrong markings. They all have NCC-1701/2 Galileo. So the Galileo was shuttle 2 and the Enterprise had multiple shuttle 2s all with the same name.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
On the hand image they may have forgotten the ship was labled Defiant.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Searching my list for NCC-1086 I get a USS Antibes, Arbiter class. Don't know about any others, though.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I want pics of what you are all seeing in the calendar!!!
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
All I've seen is whats been posted here.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge: I want pics of what you are all seeing in the calendar!!!
Then sell one of your BMWs and go and buy it.
quote:Originally posted by Dat: And the images were multiple TOS shuttles were used, they bear the wrong markings. They all have NCC-1701/2 Galileo. So the Galileo was shuttle 2 and the Enterprise had multiple shuttle 2s all with the same name.
Well, the Enterprise had at least two Galileo's, so it's possible that the painting team really was that stupid and labelled all their shuttles "Galileo". Contracter's, I'll bet.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: On the hand image they may have forgotten the ship was labled Defiant.
Must be a silly SOTL tradition... every year there seems to be a ship with lazy re-naming work.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Okay kiddies- I got my calander today and can go down the whole strange mess with ya (scans to be posted this weeekend if anyone wants to host them-Starship Freak did last year, but he was lost returning some ring to Moordor or something so...)
****SPOILERS***
Cover: Pretty nice shot of Enterprise arriving at a K-7 type station (though the station is a hell of a lot larger that K-7 was). There are three TOS era Workbees sheparding the ship in. My gripe is that there are three DY-100 ships cluttering up the nice piece. Should these still be in service at all in TOS? I doubt it.
January: The Enterprise is flanking the giant (goofy) Feasears starship/planet/whatever. The piece looks nice because of the lighting of the Feaseraus' sphere things on the Enterprise. The TOS model they're using has two small red lights on either side of the bridge dome that I dont think are accurate- I could easily be wrong on this though as TOS is not my forte'. The same CGI model is used for all the TOS ships in the calander- even the Constelation which should have a diffrent shaped bridge because the TOS prop guys used a inaccurate AMT model for that ship instead of damaging the big shooting model.
Febuary: TOS Romulan Bird of Prey's floating over what looks like the Romulan capital (complete with senate building at the center). Looks good to me except that the capital on on the water in TNG/Nemisis, and here it rests on a grassy plain on one side- this could just be a matter of a new perspective for us or the capital might undergo flooding later or whatever, so i'm not really concerned this is an error. The RBOP's look nice with their accurate blue nacelle caps, but the city looks lifeless- no people visible at all and various sized statuary make the city seem about 50' across.
March: Apollo's hand grabs the Enterprise. This is one of my least favorite TOS episodes, and the calander nicely changes the lame TOS effect of the "hand" into a energy construct instead of some actor's hand matted in. Good details on the Enterprise's impulse engines and neck.
April: This is the one showcasing the "NCC-1000" and yes, the registry is very visible, but no- there is no ship's name. The ship is allright close up- the bridge is a nice mod- it has a squared-off section at the rear like the Refit. Strange things on this ship are that the black markings at the saucer's rim near the running lights are shown to be raised, segmented strips and that the ship has no obvious impulse engines. They could be on the ventral side somehow though... The only issue I have with the design is the nacelles: they look like hot dogs: they thicken at their center and thin out towards the front and rear. The station in the piece really distracts- it looks like they went out of their way to make a TOS version of the Particle Fountain from TNG. The piece is mich nicer with the station cropped out.
May: This month depicts the M-5 directed destruction of a few TOS ships. It looks fantastic with one exception- there are giant girders everywhere! It looks like Enterprise destroyed a shipyard with a bunch of ships in port. Bueatiful damage to the Lexington (missing a third of her saucer and a nacelle!), the Hood (NCC-1703) is missing half a nacelle and a chunk o' saucer and had lovely burning phaser-burned trenches. A third connie is not too damaged in the background- there are several shuttles moving from the viewer's perspectibe towards the damaged ships so this might represent an after-episode cleanup operation. There look to be a severed Oberth nacelle in with the debris, but I'm ignoring that because it could not possibly be there...
June: the TOS Enterprise arrived in the TMP drydock- it's titled "Last flight of Galielo". The piece looks nice and has a great shot of the Enterprise's shuttlebay interior. My only gripe is that there are rows of shuttlepods lined up for some reason and they all look mis-scaled. That could just be a matter of depth perception in space (making excuse here) but some more pods farther away from the viewer's POV would have established their dinkiness nicely.
Centerfold: "Repairs at the Rim of Starlight" depicts repair work to the Enterprise's nacelle at some spacebound faciliy. it's a nice image showing guys in TOS spacesuits interacting with the Galielo shuttles (TWO of them!) which is hauling a basketload of (presumably) parts.
July: an artsy shot of the shuttle McAuliffe (from the Farragut) flying over some water in a canyon. Pretty boring, really,- not the worst in the calander, nor the best.
August: Enterprise and Lexington square off at insanely close range over some planet with two K'Tingas and some strange klingon ship that looks like it was never finished being built. All the klingon ships look like they are FAR more advanced than their TOS opponents. Gripes- the closest K'Tinga shows a random scribbling all over it's hull that is probably supposed to make it look more detailed but it looks like ass- on the command pod in particular) and the Enterprise and Lexington are firing photon torpedos at ships less than 100 meters away, while in low orbit of a planet. Get out the anti-radiation shots, McCoy!
September: shows the Planetkiller charing the saucer on the Constelation. I like this image a lot, though TOS purists will find fault with the subtle aztec patten visible on the Constelation's saucer where the beam illuminates it. Looks cool to me though- we never see a TOS ship in bright light and Doomsday Machine is my favorite TOS episode so...
October: This is the most visually moving image in the calander- the refitting of the TOS Connie into the Refit of the TMP era. Workbees, cargo trains, shuttlepods and shuttlecraft all flit about the ship as a (sorta) Oberth like ship hauls in a Refit nacelle. The orbital office complex is nicely shown in the far distance. I have two gripes with this image: FIrstly, it shows the implausibility that the TOS and TMP Enterprises could be the same ship- it's obvious they are replacing everything a piece at a time. Secondly, the nacelle pylon is located waaaay too far forward on the secondary hull- this bugs me but your mileage may vary.
November: Where to even begin? It's a good execution of a horribly bad idea. The TOS Enterprise is (again) fighting a TMP-era K'Tinga but the suacer is detached from the secondary hull and both sctions are firing on the K'Tinga! The saucer is firing it's typical blue phasers at the K'Tinga's command pod and the secondary hull is firing torpedos! ...the fuck?!? How can the secondary hull...torpedos.. The Enterprise's saucer and secondary hull have several chunks shot out of them, and the interiors are nicely visible, but that's all I can say for this month- even the K'Tinga is inaccurate. Meh.
December: This is a painting by John eaves, and while not as senses-addling as November's image, it looks pretty amaturish compared with the execution of the others- it looks like a painting that would grace a captain's ready room- not meant to be realistic at all with it's SEVEN WORLDS crammed in next to the Enterprise.
Still, I'd say that ten out of thirteen images are nice in this calander and I'm not disapointed at all. A few of these might make nice posters all by themselves, really.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Well Jason, I have returned from the dark throne, in the land of Mordor where the shadows are...
I can host them, no problem, pm me and I�ll give you an email-adress.
As to the DY-100:s, they could be the unmanned freighters of the Woden-kind actually, so, why not?
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: August: Enterprise and Lexington square off at insanely close range over some planet with two K'Tingas and some strange klingon ship that looks like it was never finished being built.
I forget where I read this since I haven't seen the calendar myself, but someone pointed out that the "strange" ship is the Klingon cruiser Eaves designed for ENT's "Unexpected", but they couldn't use it because they ran out of time or budget or something.
quote: November: Where to even begin? It's a good execution of a horribly bad idea. The TOS Enterprise is (again) fighting a TMP-era K'Tinga but the suacer is detached from the secondary hull and both sctions are firing on the K'Tinga! The saucer is firing it's typical blue phasers at the K'Tinga's command pod and the secondary hull is firing torpedos! ...the fuck?!? How can the secondary hull...torpedos.. The Enterprise's saucer and secondary hull have several chunks shot out of them, and the interiors are nicely visible, but that's all I can say for this month- even the K'Tinga is inaccurate. Meh.
So I'm not the only one who hates it.
You know I wished they did have some of these pics converted to posters since there's so much detail in them.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by B.J.:
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: August: Enterprise and Lexington square off at insanely close range over some planet with two K'Tingas and some strange klingon ship that looks like it was never finished being built.
I forget where I read this since I haven't seen the calendar myself, but someone pointed out that the "strange" ship is the Klingon cruiser Eaves designed for ENT's "Unexpected", but they couldn't use it because they ran out of time or budget or something.
B.J.
The command pod is pretty cool- it's the rest of the ship that looks like it's still being built- lots of visible support structures and what look like pulley's and cables holding the boom straight.
Starship Freak, I'll be sending you those files tomorrow (I forgot the calander at home today). Welcome back from Mordor. Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
Jason Abbadon:
Hey, today is October 22nd, and we haven't seen those pics yet... Any chance you could get those files to Starship Freak so we can all stare in amazement at the scans?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I'm kinda delayed on that- I did indeed scan everything but it got backed up onto CD (due to re-installing stuff at work) and between work nad this hurricane shutting us down tomorrow night, I have not gotten back to them.
It'll happen though.....soon! Really! Swear!
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Uh, there's pics from the calendar on SF's site already. Look in the Connie, Klingon, and Romulan sections. Hunt around a bit for the rest.
-MMoM Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
SF?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Starship Freak.
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
Something interesting about the October picture: the refit E does not have the swappable bridge module of the later ships. You can clearly see two Workbees working on the structural framework of the new bridge.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Yeah, I got some scans from a friend of mine, but she can�t scan full pics, which is why there are no cool full pics of the spread like the one of NCC 1000..
Oh Jason where art thou?
(no, seriously, a hurricane qualifies in my book as a legitimate xcuse...)
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Seriously, has anyone heard from Jason?
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Yep, we did, he said he�d mail the pics to me as soon as humanly possible. Patience is a virtue ;-)
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