Looks like that station from the Vanguard novels.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Ehh..that shot looks *really* CG. I mean, of course it *is* CG, but I mean it looks like a test render, almost. I've seen more realistic work done with desktop freeware. I've seen other Remastered episodes and they're generally quite good; I don't know why that shot looks so crappy.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
That *is* Masao's Vanguard/J-Class station! I wonder if he knows they re-used it for this?
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Now, here's the kicker. the mouth pieces on TM are bitching about everything except one, fanboy's dream: Ship designs other than Connies. It would be WONDERFUL if it wasn't 4 Connies on screen...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Probably asked permission. There ARE a couple noticable differences, but on the whole it's Masao's Vanguard alright.
Added panels and it looks smaller is about all that I noticed.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Also the station appears to have a deflector dish at the bottom.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I think you'll find that's a long range sensor array.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
I thought I saw that on both.... Maybe not.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mars Needs Women: Also the station appears to have a deflector dish at the bottom.
There does indeed. But I see no reason to object to that, considering that dishes have been around in non-forward-pointing positions ever since Franz Joseph's Federation class.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Yeah but the station in TOS has its dish positioned at an angle.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
I just heard about his about an hour ago via an email from Bernd. I wasn't asked, since I no longer own the design. Marco Palmieri, the editor I worked with at Simon and Schuster, said this has been in the works for a few months but he was sworn to secrecy. They took a few liberties, but I can't complain.
(My design had a much larger dish at the bottom. This version is sort of like the dish-on-a-stick Franz Joseph used for his Saladin.)
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I'm a bit confused; is that a screencap from the upcoming ep or just a concept render?
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Supposedly a screencap. I don't get why people think the quality is so bad.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Masao, would you care to tell us more about Simon and Schuster?
I bought one video game they developed. It was a DS-9 game. Sucked big time. Only played it for like 10 minutes or so. Complete waste of time.
After that I pretty much was soured by the whole company. I didn't think they cared or had the capability to present a quality product.
I am familiar with their audio books. I guess I lumped those in a different category since they were recordings of other people's work and not brand new products.
I don't want to know anything confidential. I am just wondering what your general thoughts are and if you have any other insights since you've been more involved with them than a lot of others.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Yeah that DS9 game sucked mega balls. Ruined the Dominion War for me.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
They made Starship Creator, didn't they? That was good for a few weeks of fun when I was younger.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: Masao, would you care to tell us more about Simon and Schuster?
*snip*
I don't want to know anything confidential. I am just wondering what your general thoughts are and if you have any other insights since you've been more involved with them than a lot of others.
I really don't know much. I work with an editor; We communicate by email. He tells me what they want, I send him sketches and artwork, he returns them with comments and suggestions, and the cycle repeats. Both jobs I did for them were only about 6 weeks start to finish. Both jobs have been a lot of fun. I have absolutely no complaints. The hardest part is being sworn to secrecy about the work. Time passes, and the mailman eventually brings me a check and a box of free books.
What goes on in the company beyond that, I have no idea. If you go to the Trek Lit forum at Trek BBS or the Trek forum at the S&S website you might find out more.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Oooh! Shiny!!!
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Despite the new movie making it look insignificant, Okuda's random registry numbers still annoy me.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Masao did you also work on a comic, cause the new "Romulans" comic features a Romulan ship which bears a striking resemblance to some ships on your sight. It's even green.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
(Isn't being green the least unique thing about any particular Romulan ship?)
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Slightly off topic, but the Excalibur's registry has been made canon as NCC-1664, while Hood is NCC-1703. In the pic of the four Connies in formation, the Excalibur is at bottom with the Hood being at the right. I still can't tell which of the other two are Potemkin and Lexington respectively, but given that Lexington, Hood, and Excalibur have had their registries made canon, Potemkin's registry would probably be made canon as NCC-1657.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mars Needs Women: Masao did you also work on a comic, cause the new "Romulans" comic features a Romulan ship which bears a striking resemblance to some ships on your sight. It's even green.
Nope. That's not my work.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Did you notice that the Lexington (NCC-1709) has FOUR bow windows? I a little disappointed that we didn't get a variety of ship classes rather than just four Constitutions, but little differences like that just make my day! Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
It's those little things that make life worth it! Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
We'll be picking this one apart all next week. They said that the ships will have little differences while remaining overall Constitution-class ships - and window confirguration seems to be one of them. Tiny things, but they're thinking of us. Sweet!
Mark
PS - Though it should have been easy to, for example, give one or two of the ships the older-style nacelle ends the Enterprise model had...
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Nope, the screen caps seen so far show all ball ends...
Posted by sean (Member # 2010) on :
Speaking in the universe of the show,it would actually be better to have 4 identical ( or nearly identical) ships for the computer test. If they used connies with vent-ended-nacells, wich point to an earlier model, there would be differences like upgraded weapons, or new hull plates that disperse phaser bursts better, which could throw off the experiment.
Of course, I too would like to see more than one class of starfleet ship for this era
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
How so? It's not like they were throwing them against four D-7s or something. I thought the idea was simply to engage a numerically superior force, and by extension greater firepower than any normal starship with a meat crew would normally deal with. The class of the ship wouldn't be relevant...
A legitimate test along your line of reasoning would pit the Enterprise against ONE Constitution class ship of equivalent cpaability. That would make more sense than the gangbang she actually found herself stuck in.
Mark
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Maybe she's just a slut.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Damn it Dan, that was my line. Very good.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Hey don't blame the victim.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Oh, come on. M5 wanted it, and bad. Went to great lengths to get it. (Lengths, geddit? Omigawd I'm regressing in age as we speak...)
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: A legitimate... gangbang she actually found herself stuck in.
Mark
See, she did ask for it.
Posted by sean (Member # 2010) on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: " How so? It's not like they were throwing them against four D-7s or something. I thought the idea was simply to engage a numerically superior force, and by extension greater firepower than any normal starship with a meat crew would normally deal with. The class of the ship wouldn't be relevant... "
Hmm, sorta what i was thinking, only that the enterprise should be able to defeat ships older than her, and therfore mostlikely less advanced, and weaker. It would be a more relevant test of the computer's abilities if the enterprise was sparring off against ships that she could normally only be able to come to a stalemate with. If the computer could defeat the other ships, it would show some "advantage" that the system gives, and hence its usefullness.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Save you seem to be leaving out the 4 to 1 odds sean. It is the odds that make a difference in the case of a weaker set of ships killing off a stronger one. The 4 can lose up to three and remain a fighting force. The one can not lose anything and say the same.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
True.... But, thats the purpose of the targetting computer, isn't it? The M5 would even the odds by giving the Enterprise superior weapons targeting capabilities, or what ever else it does. By providing identical ships, if the Enterprise won, it would mostlikely be because of the M5 computer and it's abilities, not because sulu was able to outmaneuver the others, or chekov was able to get in a crack shot. It eliminates most of the variables in the experiment.
Posted by FuturamaGuy (Member # 968) on :
According to Mike Okuda, this base was labeled "Starbase 6"
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by FuturamaGuy: According to Mike Okuda, this base was labeled "Starbase 6"
Did you get this information directly from Mike Okuda?
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Yes, this information comes from Mike Okuda. He e-mailed J�rg about the Starbase registry and the NCC-325 of the Woden.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
That's a nice tie-in to the shuttle from the Motion Picture Directors Cut and the low reg of the Woden suggests the design is from the early 23rd Century and the design is NOT Antares-Class. So I guess I won't have to go relabel the ASDB diagrams. Still, I feel the urge to change the nacelles to something akin to Phase II...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Is this the lowest-known NCC now? The only other one that pops to mind is the Grissom, NCC-838...
Mark
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Is this the lowest-known NCC now? The only other one that pops to mind is the Grissom, NCC-838...
You mean NCC-638.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
And the lowest known registry still remains as NCC-173 for USS Essex unless one wants to count NCC-160 for USS Carolina which may or may not exist.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
That depends on which reality you choose to believe.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Technically I think NX-01 is the lowest one...but that's a matter of perspective.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
According to whose perspective is 173 lower than 01?
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Count backwards from 173 and see which is 'lowest'.
Also, is ENT canon with all the continuity errors?
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Unfortunately, yes.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Equally technically, NX-01 is not part of the NCC system. It's the first ship of the NX class. NC-27 on Eaves's Sarajevo sketch (probably not canon ) also comes close, but is still another system.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
So the NX-2000 didn't count till it was NCC-2000. Now I know.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
I�m sorry, NC-27 on a sketch? What is this pic?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
That's what I meant when I said a matter of perspective as we don't know if the NX class actually became the basis for the NX/NCC reg system. Or if when Starfleet became a Federation organisation that they were all assigned NCC numbers unrelated to the NX numbers and the use of an NX prefix in later prototypes was just a way to honour the "original" starfleet starship.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I'd think both NXs are for the same thing - "experimental prototype." Isn't there something similar for airplane registries - experimental aircraft that have that X instead of a proper number?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"I'd think both NXs are for the same thing - 'experimental prototype.'"
Except, the NX-02 wasn't a prototype.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Or the NX-09 Avenger, either.
Mark
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
What about the Half Saucer and Warp Delta? Even though they had no visible registries, I refuse to believe that they lacked any. Also what all this about Enterprise and continuity? Were the other four series so much more better at maintaining it?
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
No, its just a case of people not liking it and therefore feeling they can ignore it.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Dan, yes, like the X-29 FSW from days of old. Other aircraft show what their purpose will be, XC-17, experimental transport, XAH-64, experimental attack helicopter, etc... The 29 was a fully experimental aircraft to test Forward Swept Wing technology.
Mars & Fabrux, for me it wasn't the minorish goofs that happen. Meeting the Ferengi too soon and Picard and crew not knowing about them. Creating a set of species never encountered later, to my (limited) knowledge.
I the temporal cold war wasn't too bad of an arc, since Archer made it so it never happened.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
The whole Ferengi nonsense is annoying. Like how LaForge supposedly told a joke involving a Ferengi in a gorilla suit during the Farpoint mission.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fabrux: No, its just a case of people not liking it and therefore feeling they can ignore it.
Like.... oh, Macross II: Lovers Again to the rest of the macross Continum or, even better, Galatica 1980?
X-29... Yeap, that bird gave us great things to remember (and forget): Macross Plus's YF-19 and Macross 7's VF-19P Kai 'Fire Valkyrie'. Basara is a Bitch Emo Boy... Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The YF-19 was very clearly derived from the '29. My Macross Plus book says so in fancy kanji characters. And Basara is so NOT emo. He's just borderline autistic with a superiority complex.
Mark
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:I�m sorry, NC-27 on a sketch? What is this pic?
I don't believe anyone has seen the sketch.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Now, about USS...Enterprise thought they avoided that issue by calling it the SS Enterprise, but OH NO...Cuz what the hell does SS stand for? StarShip? That's kinda cheesy, isn't it? Shouldn't it have logically be UES, United Earth Ship?
They *really* should have mentioned UESPA in Enterprise...
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
What show were you watching? They never referred to the Enterprise as "S.S. Enterprise." It was just "Enterprise."
And although no one ever actually said the word "UESPA," it was written on a banner in the last few episodes of the series.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fabrux: The whole Ferengi nonsense is annoying. Like how LaForge supposedly told a joke involving a Ferengi in a gorilla suit during the Farpoint mission.
While I won't pretend that having the Ferengi on ENT was a great idea, strictly speaking, from a historical records POV they were just some unknown alien humanoid, as their race was never mentioned and there wasn't much chance of doing any sort of medical profile. If anyone in the 24th Century just happens to go through the archives and happens across the airlock security footage then they'll slap their foreheads and note that first contact was earlier than they thought...big deal.
As for the TNG crew knowing about the Ferengi during farpoint, that's not a mistake, Picard even mentions them in the pilot. At that point it seams the Ferengi were known by reputation only, presumably through third hand reports and such. Like they "knew" about the Borg prior to J-25, though not possessing all the pieces until afterwards. Or if you will finding the Vikings were actually the first Europeans to land in America, not the Spanish (that we know of, so far.) History isn't recorded as much as you think and when it is, it's often not as accurate as you might believe.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Well, it's entirely possible I'm off my rocker about the SS Enterprise.
Nobody said UESPA but Kirk *did* say "United Earth Space Probe Agency."
Rev: Surely the computers of ENT and TNG can recognize faces when they see them? Ours are getting pretty good at that *now.* And Data should've known.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Rev, I can accept that, and I'll blame a bad sector on Data's not knowing.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Bad Data, or bad data? *goes to pun hell*
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
You're kidding right? Data had to look up what "snoop" means. Also keep in mind that the NX encounter was more than two centuries before official first contact. You have any idea how many unknown species have been encountered since then? Hundreds? Thousands? Do records of that detail still exist? Does some huge trivia generating super-computer automatically analyse EVERYTHING that goes on and dose a scan recognition to everything that's in the archives?! Seriously, computers aren't omnipotent and there's not reason for anyone on the E-D to say "Computer, do those guys remind you of anyone in the database?". Nobody knew it was there, so no reason to look. Besides, what'd be the point, they already knew they were talking with Ferengi. Also, don't forget about Maxia Zeta.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
I thought Picard's battle there was with an unknown aggressor.
I should see if my brother will send me his DVDs of TNG so I can watch them again. It's been a long while.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Yup. The ship that attacked the Stargazer near the Maxia Zeta system was an unidentified vessel of unknown design. From this, we can sort of presume that it wasn't a typical Ferengi Marauder, as Picard had several opportunites to recognize those as the ship that attacked him before "The Battle" identified that attacker as Ferengi.
My problem with Enterprise is still that it should have been the launch and early missions of 1701 under Captain April, for what they showed. Breaking the warp 4 "barrier"; transporters, phasers, and photon torpedoes making it onto ships for the first time, the Captain being some great diplomat... Stuff like that. My problem was that they were essentially trying to mush two different eras together into one show.
--Jonah
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Agreed for the most part, though it was the Warp 5 "barrier" they were going for. Not so much a physical barrier as a technological one.
As for Maxia Zeta, true the ship probably wasn't a Marauder, but still sensor readings should have shown a similar warp signature, hull composition, weapons signatures, etc. That is IF there was a reason to compare them. There wasn't, so they didn't. Same as with the ENT encounter.
I'm not defending it, it was a crap episode and a bad idea. Season 2 was full of those kinds of "cameos", some more successful than others (I really enjoyed the Borg one!) Still, from a strictly logical point of view, the encounter COULD have happened without violating canon.
As for ENT's premise - a bit mute considering how much this has already been discussed and the fact that it's long since been cancelled - but I rather thought they should have gone the other direction and made it earlier, or at least less technologically advanced than they did. So no phasers, just a laser/plasma weapon (not that they used the stun setting much anyway), no transporters, at least none that are safe for lifeforms and a general moratorium on TNG style technobabble (meta this, transphasic that, iso whatever.) Of course that would mean hiring writers that actually have a grasp of science and treat it with a little respect, or do what B5 did and just avoid fictional tech dependent stories as much as possible.
I do believe though, if it had been given a 5th season it would have realised it's true potential. Unlike some I really didn't care much for the Xindi arc (and stopped watching the show about 2 episodes in to the 3rd season) but I did see the 4th and it was a HUGE improvement.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
I have a problem with your idea that they wouldn't have compared them. You would think, or I would anyway, that a comparison of against all information in the database would be standard with any contact, especially a possible first contact.
The idea that they could have technology similar with others would give the crew a general idea of what they may expect, or what to hope to expect.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Or the D'Kora-class Marauder was developed using new tech they acquired after Maxia Zeta a decade prior.
Rev, I also wanted a nice "primitive" show, rife with wonder and exploration and the learning of how to coexist that led to the founding of the Federation. I was really hoping they'd pick the Romulan Wars as the central conflict (since zappy things make for exciting viewing). That since they decided to do the technological stuff they did, the setting was better suited as a c.2245/NCC-1701/Captain April vehicle. I think the fact that I'm still grumpy about it shows just how badly they mangled and bungled the show. *heh*
And I know Enterprise was about the first warp 5 ship. I was referring to Tyler's line in "The Cage" referring to having broken the "warp four barrier" after the Columbia left.
--Jonah
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I think the line from "The Cage" was the TIME warp barrier, whatever that means.
As far as the Ferengi ship goes, perhaps the Stargazer never got off a good scan, just a silhouette and passive sensor readings...or they did but the logs weren't recovered...OR it wasn't a Ferengi built, but a Ferengi bought ship. Being the son of a Damon, perhaps he didn't rate (or couldn't afford) command of a fleet Marauder.
Which reminds me, given how the Ferengi have been developed (on DS9, particularly) since TNG, has any explanation been given as to what kind of military fleet they operate? I tend to think of Marauders as being licensed privateers with authority to loot, pillage, plunder, steal, tax, extort, trade, whatever within a give sector(s) of space, provided the Nagus, or FCA get a percentage. One would assume the ships themselves are owned by the Alliance itself and are either sold or leased to Daimons and are somehow under contract to defend the Alliance borders if need be...but that's just me.
As far as ENT goes, sure it was bungled to a point, or rather blindly continued the trend set by Voyager. However, once Manny Coto was at the helm it very suddenly became a GOOD show. While the first 3 seasons had their gems, they were defiantly in the minority. With season four the good to bad episode ratio was pretty much inverted. There's maybe one or two shows in that season that I wasn't happy with, sadly one of them was that finale which was just in very poor taste.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
It was just "the time barrier" that was referred to as having been broken since the Columbia went missing. This probably was a reference to FTL travel having ben developed, but the vague/inconsistent terminology gives us enough wiggle room to not sweat it too much. Besides, it was contradicted later in "Metamorphosis" (TOS), with Cochrane character being introduced and established as having gone missing 150 years prior to the episode.
ENT was badly handled during a significant portion of its run, but it still managed to have some good episodes, and the fourth season was an obscene amount of fun if you were a TOS fan.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Ritten: My point exactly. The computers in TNG are encased in a static warp field that let them compute faster than light; computer cores are 3 decks tall; etc etc. The computer is obviously at least semi-sentient and if you can ask it to create a Holodeck program for you based on things like "well, I want it to be a restaurant with a lot of women in it and they should serve Aldebran ale" and it actually comes up with something, it must have the ability to recognize faces and species and ships and do it pretty quickly.
It was the 'time barrier' I think, not 'time warp barrier' that was broken. I just watched The Cage the other day. But then Kirk and Co. apparently create the first time warp over PSI-2000 in The Naked Time. (Which still confuses me as a name. The fuck?) I tend to just discount it, but it's possible there was some warp-tech breakthrough that warps time, as well as space, thus allowing faster warp drives or something? But the Vulcans in ENT could do Warp 7, and the 1701 couldn't do much more than that without strain, so...Dunno.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
I gave up trying to rationalise the incosistancies between ENT and TOS. The writers simply did not know the source material (understandable as they are writers, not fans), or simply did not care. Either way, it made for a poor show, with a good premise they ignored, and an appalingly uniteresting, politicaly motivated storyline that went on too long and was not pitched at anybody out side of the US.
I still have not watched a good proportion of the 3rd series because it just did not interest me. I also think that the casting was poor in some of the key roles and that several of the "main" characters were completly superfulous.
TAS was fun. It might of been a bit silly, but I have less issue with trying to give TAS a place in cannon than ENT.
Peregrinus has hit a realy good point - if people are still bitching about ENT, then they screwed the pooch big time.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Nobody's bitching about it except a few of us dorks on message boards, though. And even then, it doesn't seem like most posters on the TrekBBS feel that there was as much inconsistency as people on this particular board have always thought. Those of us who are technically oriented and interested in those aspects of Trek had too many preconceptions and biases about what the show "should" have been like to be very balanced in our views of it. The fact that it was often a dramatically unsatisfying show is another issue altogether, but in retrospect I think there was no more inconsistency with previous shows in ENT than there was in any of its predecessors.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
When taken in the light that nothing of it ever happened, when Archer stopped that creep from entering the vortex, it wasn't oo bad.
[ February 15, 2008, 04:45 PM: Message edited by: Ritten ]
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
i just wish Hoshi would do Pr0n...
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Speaking of that, remember that scene where she loses her top? There was absolutely...*no*...*NO*... reason for that, dramatically. That was just *blatant* 'eye candy' (I put it in quotes because with her arms crossed like that we saw less than a sports bra would show). And speaking of bras, why the hell wasn't she wearing one?? Does she make a habit of it when crawling around in ducts where they can hang all over the place? Or on duty when that's surely frowned upon anyway? Or during possible battle situations like this where painful floppage might be an issue what with the rolling and firing and punching?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
You, Sir, are a dork.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
B-cups don't flop that much.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
who? Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Seriously, am I the only one who went "Wait, where the hell is her bra?"
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
No...but perhaps she didn't need one. Or want one. Or it's built into the undershirt. Note my previous comment.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
All bras were burned about the same time that television and hovercars went out of style.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
During the fourth women's movement, when genetically engineered feminist attempted to take over the world. They were defeated however and were forced into exile aboard a DY-100 Sleeper Ship and sent to a planet known only as "Angel One".
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
I've heard that a man's back can be thrown out on that planet.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
or his ass cheeks, gone numb...
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
The built in bra could explain T'pol's ,er... seemingly lack of support for her Weapons of Mass Destruction in Broken Bow. The other practical reason other than to arouse most of the male viewing population, and possibly a portion of the female one was that those undersshirts were amazingly tight, and bra straps would have been obvious and possibly painfull for the actors to wear. Thankfully, they changed that protocal before the time of Voyager, and Capt. Janeway was allowed to wear a support under her skivies.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
*Shudders violently*
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
My point exactly. Although, Seven was not technically a starfleet officer, and did not wear a standard SF uniform. So, maybe she does not wear standard issue undies either?
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Well T'Pol seemed to be wearing a type of uniform that no other female crew member wore when she joined Earth Starfleet.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
I always wondered why she just slapped some badges on her shirts rather than wearing a proper uniform. She looked quite hot in "In A Mirror, Darkly", and I'm sure a complete uniform would have worked, too.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Troi Syndrome redux. "Holy crap, she actually looks good in a regular uniform!" I was more annoyed with her hair and eyebrows. Or indeed, the hairstyles of most female Vulcans through the TNG and ENT eras. Anyone remember T'Pring? T'Pau? Saavik? How we didn't see female Vulcans with short hair until TNG? And to a lesser extent how no one except Leonard Nimoy and Mark Lenard were able to pull off that haircut/have their hair cut right?
--Jonah
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
She *was* a proper member of Starfleet eventually; I can't remember which season she joined up officially. Surely there are regs about wearing the uniforms? And why would Vulcans don their women in catsuits anyway - is eyeballing a sexy bum not considered emotional? Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: She *was* a proper member of Starfleet eventually; I can't remember which season she joined up officially. Surely there are regs about wearing the uniforms? And why would Vulcans don their women in catsuits anyway - is eyeballing a sexy bum not considered emotional?
I was referring to when she officially joined Starfleet. Her uniform seemed to be unique.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Well, although not cannon, I read in a story somewhere that Tpol's catsuits were designed to be thermal insulators ( and therefore why they are skin tight) to help her function with humans, because their climate and normal room temp is quite a bit colder than vulcan norms. Or something like that.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
So where are the flowing robes worn over the techno-longjohns Vulcan women wore in every other appearance*?
*Except Selar and other Starfleet crew who wore uniforms. I know not them.
--Jonah
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Well, on earth, maybe, but not on vulcan. Like if Jason Abbadon wanted to come and visit me in Buffalo, he would not bring a wardrobe consisting solely of Tee's and Shorts,as I think he would be quite uncomfortable. A Vulcan would want to "pack for the climate too. In all likely hood by TOS and TNG, once Starfleet had become the Federation Starfleet, uniforms would be designed with more than humans in mind.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Well, yeah, Vulcans in Starfleet have always worn Starfleet uniforms, as far as we can tell, from Spock to Xon to Sonak to Saavik to Valeris (somewhat) to Selar to Vorik.
But before T'Pol was part of Starfleet, she was part of the Vulcan fleet -- a fleet that sent out a scoutship crew less than a century earlier in flowing robes. All the other non-Starfleet Vulcans have almost always been wearing flowing robes. Or if not that, business suits. o_O
So...
--Jonah
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Wasn't it a science ship?
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Po-tay-to po-tah-to.
--Jonah
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Robes could be their standard issue uniforms of sorts, and the ship, or each of its occupants would own/carry these insulated undies, like Enterprise carries a complement of EV suits. My bet is that the crew of the T'plana hath(?-from first contact) wasn't wearing insulatory-roos, and therefore did not stay for a long time on Earth.
Or, perhaps the robes were a sort of dress uniform, for appearing in front of others of importance, and the suits were the standard duty uniform. I think the crew of the Vahklas in Fusion wore only the body suits, and no robes, probably because they were the " New Age" Vulcans who were trying to break old rules and traditions.
Or, maybe there are many types of catsuits. Standard ones that are just like a dress-down uniform, maybe some that are insulated, and even some that are thinner for hotter climates. IIRC, Tpol wears robes on earth in Broken Bow, when she was representing the Vulcan High Command. Perhaps when assigned to Enterprise long-term, she wore just the standard duty uniform to fit in with the crew a little better.
Am I making sense, or just uselessly rambling?
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Hey is that when Archer threatens T'pol with dropping her on her ass. Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Because The skin suits are like standard duty uniforms, and robes are like dress uniforms, with possibly a few exceptions
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
*begins to see a good explanation* I still object to T'Pol's breasts, though.
--Jonah
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
You think she should have been a 32A or something?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Perhaps the skin suit is what they wear under the robes.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
That would make probably the most sense. I theorize that they could be also worn on their own. Like we would wear a sweatshirt, with a Tee shirt underneath.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: *begins to see a good explanation* I still object to T'Pol's breasts, though.
--Jonah
G@Y3$T P0$T 3VARRRR!!!!!1
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Well, maybe they're too big for his taste. I personally dont like them too big either.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
You'd STILL suck on 'em if you had the chance, ladies...
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Not just suck...
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Oh my god, this is like the locker room, only without the towel snaps...
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
*chuckle* I don't care how big or small, as long as they're nicely-shaped and sensitive. This is merely my �bergeekdom showing. I don't think breasts like that could evolve on a high-gravity world like Vulcan.
--Jonah
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Vulcan is a high grav planetoid? And that would have an effect on the developement of TPol's planetoids?
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
It's always been accepted that Vulcan has a higher gravity than Earth, thus the great strength of the native species. And if large breasts are merely uncomfortable on Earth, T'Pol's would be down to her knees by the time she finished puberty if she didn't get them reduced.
--Jonah
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Well there's always repulsorlift technology...
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Well, Vulcans also have a different muscule/skeletal structure than hmans. What if there were muscles in a Female vulcan's body to compensate for this. Ooo, Enterprise is on sci-fi at this very minute. I had better go and do some research in this matter. Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
And wear a freaking towel when you come back.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Ugh... *shivers in disgust*
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
*closes his locker* Does anyone have any DRUGS? I'm lookin to score some DRUGS!
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
We have a celebrity among us. *Bows with respect*
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
You, sir, have become the ultimate proof that a truly creative fan can get people to pay attention to original, interesting ideas... even if it has to get subsumed into the grinding gears of Hollywood and reduced to an obscure, five-second hat-tip.
I didn't look, but can I assume this entry means that you were actually listed in the episode's broadcast credits?
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Michael Okuda had hoped to give me a credit for the actual episode, except that none of the remastered staff are credited! So, I will be included in the credits for the DVD set. I'm listed as a "technical consultant" along with Robert H. Justman, Petri Blomqvist, Gary Kerr, and Doug Drexler. I'm listed last.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
*whistles* Wow, that's pretty impressive company to keep.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Last nothing - getting on a list with Drexler and Justman is sort of like getting canonized as a Nerd Saint, isn't it?
heheh...1968...
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
1968? That's correct. I was in the third grade. My mom wrote a note so I could skip school and work on the series.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
We must now come up with a ritual to honor our new Saint of Nerdium.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Bah. You know how inaccurate IMDb can be sometimes.
Seriously, that's pretty cool!
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sean: We must now come up with a ritual to honor our new Saint of Nerdium.
I know, small-denomination currency in plain envelopes mailed to me!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Heheheh - now we can play 6 degrees of separation using Masako's name! Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: You, sir, have become the ultimate proof that a truly creative fan can get people to pay attention to original, interesting ideas...
I'd like to remind everyone that Mike Okuda was a Trek fan who sent some unsolicited artwork in suggesting new bridge displays that fit the screens, and ended up being hired to do scenic art work for Star Trek IV -- and then Gene asked him to stay on for TNG.
--Jonah
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Well, I doubt Mike Okuda would be available to the common nerd around herefor conversation, and perhaps autographs, like Masao is. *Seals envolope containing a varied amount of Loonies and Toonies*
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
He posts over on Trek BBS, and used to post on the rec.arts.startrek.tech newsgroup. But I agree, he wasn't "one of us". Maybe if the Internet had existed in such capacity back around 1980... *heh*
--Jonah
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Well they showed "Is There in no Truth No Beauty?" last night and there was a new ship to pick up Dr. Pulaski and her sentient lunch box It had a roundish primary hull.
Hey, that's a nifty looking little rig.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Kinda looks like if they patterned a shuttle or runabout after a Daedalus-class profile.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I love to know what those rods sticking out the back do.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
And I wonder what the blue lights are.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
well if it's a passenger transport then I'd say the blue lights are an arboretum or other similar open area for the passengers to enjoy. As for the rods, I suppose they could be impulse engines since I can't see where else they'd be. Either that or some kind of docking attachment...or it's just the 3D artist being whimsical.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I don't like it... it looks silly.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
That...would be perfect for my Lotus-class. Sweet deal.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
It kinda looks like one of the early earth ships at the SF Museum...
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I wonder how big it is? Too bad we don't know how far away from the Enterprise the thing is so we can scale it. I mean, if it really is runabout-sized, I doubt the blue light is an arboretum, for example. But it could be if it was several hundred meters long...
Edit: Although on second gander, if you assume a reasonable height for those windows...which are about 6x10px.... The sphere is ~140px, and the length of the thing is about 250 (but we're at an angle and I don't know how to correct for that; SOMEbody here must...). So, if the windows are 1.5m tall and 3m wide, the sphere is about 35m, and the length (before correction for foreshortening) is 75m. Maybe 35m x 35m x 100m overall? That's about right for a transport, anyway.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
It also appears to have a bridge and connie style nacelles, but they're not to scale.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
I sent an email to Mike Okuda. He said his first idea was to use a cluster of fuzzy lights, but then Dave Rossi suggested that because the Medusans were noncorporeal and might not have developed technology as we know it, they might use Federation hardware and have ships with a distinct Federation style.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Did you ask him if it has a name/registry?
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Well, it's distinct alright... it has nacelles just like the Enterprise's.
I would guess that this is a Starfleet vessel crewed entirely by Medusans, which would explain the small size. It's not like they need room for crew quarters or amenities, being noncorporeal.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Nope, didn't ask name or registry. But he seems to be suggesting (I quoted his answer nearly verbatim) it's a Medusan ship rather than a Starfleet ship. I asked him what those tubes were, but he didn't answer.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Or it could be an older Starfleet vessel now under Medusan authority...
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
No...it has to be a Medusan ship using Fed tech. The windows are so small that like...all 3 rows would be one deck of Enterprise Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Depending on how large the ship is and how far away it is, like I mentioned before.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Weren't the Medusans UFP members?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Verily.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
So any Medusan ship *is* a Federation ship.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
But why would noncorporeal beings need windows on their ships? It's not like they have eyes.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Maybe they're not windows but sensors.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I'm gathering it's just older Fed. tech. In that light - it works.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Perhaps the spherical hull section is for humanoid passengers and the blue filtered glass bit is an open space where they're able to just float about and relax or commune or whatever it is they do.
Logically if the Medusans are semi/non-corporteal then they would probably need these ships built for them rather than build them themselves. So this is probably an adapted or refitted design, hence the humanoid sections.
As far as the rods go, perhaps it's some of sublight field propulsion technology, or perhaps the Medusan equivalent of oars or peddles.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I just assumed the pipes are a form of impulse engine. Remember the back of the Daedelus class... has those exhaust ports that skirt the perimeter of the back of the secodary hull.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Speaking of UFP members, I think the Medusans could still have their own ships even if they were members of the Fed...after all, the Trill did...the Vulcans did...and the Benzites seem to have their own military (although I don't know if they were actually UFP members or not).
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I think the idea here is that the Medusans don't have their "own" ships because they never developed them for themselves. Being incorporeal I suppose the idea of using lumps of metal to travel between stars was as unthinkable to them as sitting in free floating clouds of ionised gas to go out jogging would seam to us.
I suppose the usual benchmark of warp capability equals first contact needs to be sidestepped when dealing with incorporeal beings. Makes you wonder what their home planet would be like and how first contact was initiated. I'd speculate that their homeworld is a Gas Giant and that they're perfectly capable of interstellar travel under their own power (as are most wibbly light beings we've seen) though travel in starships is faster and safer than "walking" it, to say nothing of the safety of any passing humanoid that happened to look at them.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: Speaking of UFP members, I think the Medusans could still have their own ships even if they were members of the Fed...after all, the Trill did...the Vulcans did...and the Benzites seem to have their own military (although I don't know if they were actually UFP members or not).
Well, sure. But those ships are all Federation ships. Any ship registered to a Federation world is a Federation ship. And Federation worlds probably share technology with each other. That's all I was saying.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
If Medusan's are non-corporal, then why is their appearance so horrifying to humans? I know we can get scared by bright lights but this is ridiculous. Furthermore if they are non-corporal, why would they need ships; do they need oxygen?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I haven't actually seen the episode... does what's-her-name go with the Medusans on their ship? Maybe they have a handful of ships when they need to interact/transport corporeal beings.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
It's reported elsewhere* that the CBS-D guys figured this ought to be a Starfleet-tech Medusan vessel, but this simply means they weren't paying attention.
From episode transcripts, designers like Marvick were to adapt instruments for Medusans in the event that they could serve as navigators aboard starships.
If Starfleet equipment was already in use by the Medusans, then this would make little sense . . . the adaptations would already exist.
Second, initially the Enterprise was taking them to the Medusan planet. Later, Miranda says something about reaching the "Medusan vessel". But this is after they've been sent outside the galaxy . . . presumably they anticipated that other arrangements would have to be made. But, instead of a Medusan ship, a smallish Starfleet vessel was sent to complete the transport, freeing the Enterprise for her next assignment.
It's not pretty, but it's the only way I see for the vessel we see to make sense in context.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Or, we could just say "Hey, we got an all-new TOS Starfleet ship design, Yay!" and just be happy with that without trying to justify it's appearance in the episode
Because...it might end up also being the S.S. Aurora... try to explain that one! Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guardian 2000: It's reported elsewhere* that the CBS-D guys figured this ought to be a Starfleet-tech Medusan vessel, but this simply means they weren't paying attention.
Hey! I'm that reliable source! G2K links to Shik's post in the Subspace Comms thread where he quotes my post from a few pages earlier here. We're chasing our own tails!
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
I know. People don't do any damned research anymore.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
That amuses me greatly.
Maybe the Medusans don't just look like glowy lights. Not every "non-corporeal" being has to be a glowy fuzzy cloud after all. Maybe they're not even 'ugly' in the traditional sense but some construction of higher-dimensional shapes that drives humans insane when they see it because their brain just can't make sense of it.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
My point exactly. There has to be a more intelligent reason why the Medusans appearance causes humans to go mad than "it's because they're really ugly".
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
I would posit brainwave interference due to direct senspry overload.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Masao:
quote:Originally posted by Guardian 2000: It's reported elsewhere* that the CBS-D guys figured this ought to be a Starfleet-tech Medusan vessel, but this simply means they weren't paying attention.
Hey! I'm that reliable source! G2K links to Shik's post in the Subspace Comms thread where he quotes my post from a few pages earlier here. We're chasing our own tails!
What's more, on Memory Alpha it now says that no name or registry were assigned to the vessel, likely based on your comment. Perhaps you could ask Okuda for clarification on that?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
What's even more hilarious is that MA has a picture of Kollos.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Masao:
quote:Originally posted by Guardian 2000: It's reported elsewhere* that the CBS-D guys figured this ought to be a Starfleet-tech Medusan vessel, but this simply means they weren't paying attention.
Hey! I'm that reliable source! G2K links to Shik's post in the Subspace Comms thread where he quotes my post from a few pages earlier here. We're chasing our own tails!
Heh, nice.
The SCN reference was simply the first I'd found, since I didn't have all day to research.
After all, right now we have *two* threads talking about the damn ITiTNB ship, this one being titled for another episode entirely, the other of which links to page 10 here. It's ugly.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Help us, Moderator Man! Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: What's more, on Memory Alpha it now says that no name or registry were assigned to the vessel, likely based on your comment. Perhaps you could ask Okuda for clarification on that?
I don't want to be to much of a nuisance asking him all sorts of questions.
Whoever wrote that MA page is wrongly representing paraphased email information as a direct quote from Mike Okuda. Also, the failure of Mike Okuda to mention in his email whether a name and registry had been assigned is not the same as him saying that no name and registry was assigned. You can't trust Wikipedia!
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
OK. Update time. Mike Okuda says he didn't have the time to come up with graphics for the ship, so the name and registry "remain a mystery" (meaning, I guess, that it may have a name and registry, but the Medusans aren't saying). Also, he says that "it's reasonable" that the tubes out the back are for the impulse drive, but you can't really tell from the model.
I love that word libelous and lie prostrate before your fame and notoriety.
Posted by Joshua Bell (Member # 327) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: Maybe the Medusans don't just look like glowy lights. Not every "non-corporeal" being has to be a glowy fuzzy cloud after all. Maybe they're not even 'ugly' in the traditional sense but some construction of higher-dimensional shapes that drives humans insane when they see it because their brain just can't make sense of it.
Very Lovecraftian - there are things out there in the cold, dark expanses of space, far from the coddled warmth of our safe stretches of the known Earth, which merely knowing about will drive men insane!
Never forget the strong Lovecraft/Star Trek connection, with great old ones lurking around ever corner. One of the original series writers was even featured in a Lovecraft story.
Ia! Ia! Ah... the 60's. Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: I love that word libelous and lie prostrate before your fame and notoriety.
YES! Your a whore! Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"One of the original series writers was even featured in a Lovecraft story."
It was Shari Lewis, wasn't it? I knew that Lamb Chop was up to no good...
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by Masao:
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: What's more, on Memory Alpha it now says that no name or registry were assigned to the vessel, likely based on your comment. Perhaps you could ask Okuda for clarification on that?
I don't want to be to much of a nuisance asking him all sorts of questions.
Whoever wrote that MA page is wrongly representing paraphased email information as a direct quote from Mike Okuda. Also, the failure of Mike Okuda to mention in his email whether a name and registry had been assigned is not the same as him saying that no name and registry was assigned. You can't trust Wikipedia!
Actually, one of our admins has regular contact with Mike Okuda about remastered tidbits like this. So that information very likely wasn't based on your posts here Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
So the poor bugger is answering the same questions over and over? Perhaps someone should suggest he start a TOS-R/General Trek blog to save himself some time. I'm sure he'll have no shortage of volunteers to run it for him.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
quote:Originally posted by Pensive's Wetness:
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: I love that word libelous and lie prostrate before your fame and notoriety.
YES! Your a whore!
Or profusely complimentary in an uncomfortable-like manner. One of the two...
Posted by Gvsualan (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry:
quote:Originally posted by Masao:
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: What's more, on Memory Alpha it now says that no name or registry were assigned to the vessel, likely based on your comment. Perhaps you could ask Okuda for clarification on that?
I don't want to be to much of a nuisance asking him all sorts of questions.
Whoever wrote that MA page is wrongly representing paraphased email information as a direct quote from Mike Okuda. Also, the failure of Mike Okuda to mention in his email whether a name and registry had been assigned is not the same as him saying that no name and registry was assigned. You can't trust Wikipedia!
Actually, one of our admins has regular contact with Mike Okuda about remastered tidbits like this. So that information very likely wasn't based on your posts here
Indeed it was not. Okuda's quote on the MA page, which is a quote directly from Okuda, is only partially what he told Masao, so I don't understand how it "wrongly represented" a source (this site) that it was not taken from.
--Alan
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
Perhaps the Medusans imprint a telepathic copy of this thread into the brains of humans, thus turning them into dribbling wrecks.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
That or Star Trek Nemesis on infinite loop.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by Gvsualan:
quote:Originally posted by Harry:
quote:Originally posted by Masao:
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: What's more, on Memory Alpha it now says that no name or registry were assigned to the vessel, likely based on your comment. Perhaps you could ask Okuda for clarification on that?
I don't want to be to much of a nuisance asking him all sorts of questions.
Whoever wrote that MA page is wrongly representing paraphased email information as a direct quote from Mike Okuda. Also, the failure of Mike Okuda to mention in his email whether a name and registry had been assigned is not the same as him saying that no name and registry was assigned. You can't trust Wikipedia!
Actually, one of our admins has regular contact with Mike Okuda about remastered tidbits like this. So that information very likely wasn't based on your posts here
Indeed it was not. Okuda's quote on the MA page, which is a quote directly from Okuda, is only partially what he told Masao, so I don't understand how it "wrongly represented" a source (this site) that it was not taken from.
--Alan
Sorry for any wrongful accusation. Mike Okuda seems to send the same emails to everyone.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Special Guest appearance by Romulan BOP
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
And they put a nice paint job on the D7, too. Very nice!
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Damn. I wont be able to see that this weekend. Unless the Pennsylvania Hotel gets whatever channel the show is on. I have to be at the school to meet the busses at 6:45 tomorrow morning. Wont be back till tuesday. I'm sure I'll hear all about it here though. I might be able to find the vfx reel on youtube later in the week too.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: And they put a nice paint job on the D7, too. Very nice!
I was hoping that they'd do that!
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sean: Damn. I wont be able to see that this weekend. Unless the Pennsylvania Hotel gets whatever channel the show is on. I have to be at the school to meet the busses at 6:45 tomorrow morning. Wont be back till tuesday. I'm sure I'll hear all about it here though. I might be able to find the vfx reel on youtube later in the week too.
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It had a roundish primary hull.