As I revealed to you in an earlier post the reason for the nacelles and the support pylons being like this is as i explained before.
EXCLUSIVE NEWS REVEALED ! Spoiler Ahead.
A source who is very close to me reveals startling new facts.
The reason for the nacelles and the support struts is that the nacelles rotate to alter the direction of the impulse engines which are housed inside the nacelles.
In other words the nacelles vector the thrust from the impulse engines.
This is why they are quite solid and much more robust or lumpy at the connecting points to the pylons as this houses the pivot mechanism which rotates the nacelles.
I can reveal that a red shirt will get killed as he tries to repair a stuck pivot mechanism on one of the nacelles.I can even give you a part of the script.
I hope this explains the nacelles and why the saucer is further back,this is to balance the thrust through the center of gravity of the ship thrust and make it look balanced when the nacelles vector the thrust.
I hope this clears the confusion.
If you have any other questions let me know and I will answer them.
A major plot spoiler snippet below.Do not read further if you do not want to know.
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Now I finally present to you the plot point which you all have been waiting for.
I have rewritten it to protect the innocent.
Excuse the spelling errors as i did this transcript as soon as i got confirmation,in a hurry.
WARNING! WARNING...
MAJOR SPOILER AHEAD...
CLOSE YOUR EYES OR AVERT YOUR GAZE.I CANNOT USE SPoiLER COdE.
SO GO BACK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ THIS SURPRISE.
spoiler ahead.
In the dark cold of space littered among the smouldering debris of the battle hangs the Enterprise at an angle,it's hull mottled from the damage it has suffered at the hands of the enemey.
In the battle ,the Enterprise has destroyed two of the three enemy vessals which had ambushed it.... drift ablaze through space .....lighting it up as a fire lights up a shadow..
The last surviving enemy vessal birdlike,sinister and dark cruises closer and closer to the wounded Enteprise... On the bridge strides Captain Kirk,His face resolute and,thoughful as he paces back and forth.
Report Mr Scott!
Captain that last hit took out the warp engines and the phasers..the photon fire control will take an hour to fix...
WE DONT HAVE AN HOUR MR SCOTT!.
uhuru:- captain The enemy vessals is hailing us... report !
uhuru:- they are saying
"surrender and prepare to be boarded...."
What about the enemy vessal Mr Spock?
Captain they have suffered considerable damage but they are in a better position.They have warp drive and weapons,shields...that last shot took out the main power conduits... we only have impulse power,no weapions...no shields..We cannot escape them.Sir.
Dammit Spock! We cannot let ourselve be captured..
What is their position,Mr Sulu.
They have moved alongside the enterprise on a parallel course sir.Their shields have gone down ,we can expect to be boarded any moment.
Their shields are down Mr Spock?
Yes! Sir but as we are unable take advantage without weapons being online....
The ship shudders as if being hit!
Scotty:-
Captain the devils have locked a tractor beam on us..!....we will be unable to escape on impulse drive.
Captain Kirk.. Confound it!
Spock:- they are holding us firm.
....we cannot break free and we certainly cannot escape without warpdrive...
without weapons we must face the inevitable as prisoners of war...
Captain Kirk...his face grim his... jaw clenched, he wipes the sweat from his brow with the back of his sleeve.....as he surveys the smouldering phaser bank control panel...
Not just yet Mr Spock...
can we fire a photon torpedo manuelly? mr scott?
well yes captain but only if they were ahead of us ... direct line of sight...we could get a lock on then..an even then it it will be a hit and miss affair...but they are PARRALLEL TO US CAPTAIN and locked in their tractor beam...
and phasers are?
mr scotty.
still ...offline captain...
Captan Kirk.....if we only had phasers with their shields down they are vulnerable....
UHURA THEY ARE HAILING US AGAIN?
Mr Spock they are charging weapons ....Should I signal our surrender?
captain kirk not quite yet mr spock...
WAIT!... maybe we dont need phasers.....
i have an idea!...quick mr Sulu rotate both nacelles 80 degrees starboard...
mr sulu sir even if we break free we cannot escape without warpdrive and shields....
DO IT MR SULU...
mr scott divert all power to the impulse engines ...I WANT 120 % overload on the impulse engines ..do you understand?
MR SCOTT............ yes captain BUT CAPTAIN...IT CAN DAMAGE ...
NOOOWWW MR SCOTT !!!! THAT IS AN ORDER....!!!
SULU:-
YES SIR ! ROTATING BOTH NACELLES 80 DEGRESS STARBOARD....
SULU:- NACELLES LOCKED AT 80 DEGREES...
NOW!........ FULL IMPULSE MR SULU...NOOOOWWWWW!!
FULL IMPULSE SIR...!!!!!!!!!!!!1
mr spock.:-
Captain we are not breaking free..
captain kirk...
I DONT WANT TO BREAK FREE MR SPOCK....!!!
in the cold dark of Space the Enterprises nacelles firing at full impulse in the direction of the enemy vessal at close proximity heat it's hull to an an incandescent white hot within a few seconds as the full plasma beam cuts through it like a KNIFE THROUGH BUTTER.... on board the beam belts,cuts through vital systems..screams are heard...explosions rock theenemy vessal...
Mr spock:-
THE IMPULSE EXHAUST IS impacting the enemy vessal ...the temperature has gone up to 3000 degrees kelvins and rising rapidly...their hull is disintegrating from the heat and force of the impulse beam.
kirk. it's called snatching victory from the jaws of death.....
spock :- the enemy vessals reactor core has been breached ...
scotty the enemy's tractor beam has gone..!
kirk :-
maintan maximum impulse mr sulu...we dont want to be here
we dont want to be caught in the explosion....
aye sir....;
suddenly as the tractor beam collapses the Enteprise leaps sideways away from the enemy vessal which is disintegrating from the super white hot plasma emitted by the impulse engine vents in the nacelles....
as the Enterprise speeds away a massive explosion lights up space as the enemy vessal's reactors confinement fails....and a impact wave buffets the Enterprise..ON BOARD THE BRIDGE everyone is thrown forwards as the wave hits...
mr spock incoming!!
brace yurselves...
the ship judders and lurches as the recedng explosion catches upwith it...
a few seconds later kirk:- damage report mr scott?
well the shuttle bay and the starboard nacelle caught the brunt of it ....has suffered major damage but we can have it repaired at a starbase one warp power is restored...some radiation burns to the crew...Dr Mccoy is attending ...
thank you mr scott..
mr spock..:- ingenious ....captain...
captain :- desperation .... mr spock...
The above script reveals a new feature of the the Enterprise in which the nacelles can turn on the supporting struts allowing thrust vectoring on impulse power.I find this exciting in Abrams new movie.
The more clunky ship as revealed this week!.
SPOILER ALERT !
The nacelles you have seen in the picture will be rotatable at the point where they are attached to the supporting strut.
be rotatable at the point where thay are attached to the supporting strut at the top end.Pivot mechanism!
This means we will have vectoring impulse/warp nacelles. I have done a study of this using a cone as a secondary hull and 4 pens acting as strut and nacelle and the advantage seems to be in higher maneuverability as by turning the nozzles at intermediate angles you can make them point partially down/up and also you can make one nacelle point forwards and be able to do very sharp turns and also very quick braking by pointing both forwards.
You can do simulation yourself or someone can do a photoshop so you can get a better idea. The advantages seem to give a huge increase in maneuverability as the nacelles when they rotate on the struts move in 2 planes at the same time horizontal and vertical as the struts are in a v shaped angle.
You may remember Voyager having movable nacelles,but as this is a less advanced ship the nacelles can move a lot more than just up/down.
I did all you a favour by sharing information.
My friend says ILM are happy for this to be unoffically shared. The info to wet people's appetites and to create a buzz but he is forbidden from giving actual shots,in others words he can discuss it in general terms and he got permission before blabbing about it.
Voyagers was more advanced and did not need rotating nacelles.This early Enterprise is less advanced and needs vectoring nacelles for higher maneuvering ability.It do's not have fancy fields but is more of a mechanical beast.
In this ship the impulse engines are integrated into the nacelles and you will see a red glow.
Did anyone try the simulation using the 4 pens and a cone for the secondary hull?
If you did then you will find it highly logical in much the same way that you have vectoring nozzles on the JSF, higher maneuverability or that Russian plane I cant remember the name of.The Harrier is another example which can use vectored thrust for higher maneuverability in combat by braking suddenly when having the enemy on the tail,letting it overshoot then firing missiles at the enemies tail,etc,etc.
The ship picture revealed shows you the pivot mechanism and extra thick support struts and also remember the impulse engines are housed inside the nacelles too as I explained before.They can also reverse from the front of the nacelle.
If you have any other questions I will gladly answer them.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
We really should make a necro-thread picture about E, when ever he returns...
*waves nicely to E*
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
You don't work for ILM. You don't have a friend that works for ILM. Whatever it is you wrote above (and no, I didn't bother reading it), is most likely bullshit.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Nooooooooooo! NO NO NO NO NO! YOU BITCH! YOU BITCH!
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
. . . the fuck?!
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Mr.Scotty?
Dude, that reads like a bad chinese to pigeon english translation of the single sheet of toilet paper instructions to a crappy lead filled chinese LED video game. I needed a laugh today. Thank you for giving me one.
And, I agree with Dukhat, there is no way you work at ILM. That "little secret script" you shared is awfully general in pretty much every aspect. It sounds like a cut and paste of numerous episodes. Except for the whole B.S. rotating nacelle portion of the story. You claim that this design is clunkier, and older/lower tech because of the need for these rotating nacelles. Well, to me, it sounds like much more advanced tech tan the Federation has used before, because I don't think they have ever figured out how to cram the warp coils, and impulse engines into a a single assembly, and make them move like synchronized swimmers. Sounds a hell of a lot more advanced than what we've seen thus far.
[ November 13, 2008, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: Sean ]
Posted by Josh (Member # 1884) on :
"Scott to bridge."
"Go ahead Scotty"
"CAP'N, THE BULLSHIT CAPACITOR IS REACHING CRITICAL MASS!"
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
AVERT YOUR GAZE! AVERT YOUR GAZE!
Posted by Vanguard (Member # 1780) on :
A man proves himself by what he does, not what he claims.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
You, esecallum, sir, are shit. You are what comes out of assholes and into the toilet.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
What in the world could have possessed you to spend that much time inventing that much crap, when you know people are just going to react... well, like they just did? I mean, really. What do you get out of it? Is this some sort of super-nerdy Internet masochism thing?
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Didn't this human fertilizer get banned last time?
Not that I really mind its posts. I needed the laugh.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
You know what? It felt good saying what I said. But seriously... I, too, thought this turd got banned last time.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Sensationalism, nothing more. And yes, it is Friday now, Dat. The chicken is in the pot, the Hobgoblin is chilled to perfection.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Well, technically, he really hasn't done anything wrong, except post stupid unrealistic rantings, and use poor punctuation. Any negativity was on our part, ignorance on his. Although, I find it quite believable that he does this to elicit a response, he posts the exact same thing at other forums, and gets different responses depending on where he posts. Maybe we're the anomaly, disbelieving anything he says as a rule, and he is believed like the god he thinks he is at other places.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
Rotating nacelles might fly at TBBS, but this is Flare. I don't even know why you're bothering.
Posted by Vanguard (Member # 1780) on :
He's getting off on where he's successful for his BS, unfortuntely. Every fandom has guys like this.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Actually, they're calling BS on this over at TrekBBS as well. (Just the rotating nacelles part. I don't read any plot spoilers, real or not.)
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Yeah, from what I've read over there, he's not believed much either, but there were a few places that popped up when I googled in the name of the old thread about this, and they seemed to believe him...
Posted by esecallum (Member # 2074) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: What in the world could have possessed you to spend that much time inventing that much crap, when you know people are just going to react... well, like they just did? I mean, really. What do you get out of it? Is this some sort of super-nerdy Internet masochism thing?
Look i am merely imparting information to you.
You are very rude.
Further information that has come my way indicates that Nero will be gay with his sidekick.A kiss will be seen on screen.This explains the tattoos and bitten left ear.
Abrams obviously wants to create a buzz with a gay villain.
I was very upset on hearing this.
I dont't like the new ship.
It is a a mishmash of ST1 for primary hull,Whale turd for a secondary hull,and fore skinned sex toys for nacelles.
I suggest we start an online petition calling for a new ship.
We must a delegation to Paramount,JJ Abrams,and ILM expressing our anger at his attack on our childhood icons.
We must start a candle lit vigil outside Paramount until our demands are met.
We must write to all the local tv stations expressing our views.
We must carefully explain to JJ Abrams that this not what we want.
Also tell him we want Iconic William Shatner in it as without him it is not really Star Trek but a derivative.He can easily be inserted in with a few lines shot on a green screen in his house.
We only have 2 months left before the film is finalized.
Therefore I urge you,all you people to stop wasting time here and get out and start the campaign to get a proper looking ship.I also want the villian to be normal and straight.
Also stop attacking the messenger.I never insulted any of you.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
His shields are collapsing Captain!
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
Also - does being gay require you to have a tattoo and play kinky ear biting games?
My inteligence is being insulted here, I'm sure of it.
Tell you what, if Nero is gay, and if the Enterprises nacelles do rotate, I'll not come around your house and stomp on all of your toys.
Frankly though, the chances for your Barbie dolls are not high in my oppinion.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Esecallum wrote:
quote:Also stop attacking the messenger.
But you're not "just the messenger", you're the source of these messages, so you have to take responsibility for it. A petition to try and stop a new movie from coming out because one of the vehicles shown in it is not to your liking? You would make ten tines the difference and achievement by rearranging your sock drawer.
Also, anti-gay intolerance over a movie villain because of character traits that you've made up on the spot? You sir are a real credit to the anti-ST movie crowd, I'll bet they will thank you for your support. Everyone, "Star Trek" is the new "Da Vinci Code", and (if it were up to esecallum) trek fans are the new fundamentalist catholics!! Posted by Doctor Jonas (Member # 481) on :
quote:Originally posted by esecallum: Also tell him we want Iconic William Shatner in it as without him it is not really Star Trek but a derivative.He can easily be inserted in with a few lines shot on a green screen in his house.
Be careful! I've heard most of the people here are DS9 fans and don't agree with this... you might as well start running before they reach you with their pitchforks!
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by esecallum:
quote:Originally posted by TSN: What in the world could have possessed you to spend that much time inventing that much crap, when you know people are just going to react... well, like they just did? I mean, really. What do you get out of it? Is this some sort of super-nerdy Internet masochism thing?
Look i am merely imparting information to you.
You are very Prude.
Further information that has come my way via the internal space station (and my Mother) indicates that Nero will be gay with romulan chaps with his sidekick (a republican). A kiss will be seen on screen (Yeah!!!!). This explains the tattoos and bitten left ear. Really. I should Know.
Abrams obviously wants to create a buzz with a gay villain from Romulan Village.
I was very upset on hearing this (about the exec's cancellling Lasse.
I dont't like the new ship from Star Blazers 2500.
It is a a mishmash of MSG for primary hull,Whale turd (from M7) for a secondary hull,and fore skinned sex toys for nacelles(Sold on eroticy.com.
I suggest we start an online petition calling for a new form mental retardation (Petard).
We must a delegation to Paramount,NJ expressing our anger at his attack on our childhood clones.
We must start a candle lit vigil outside Paramount, Nj until our demands are met (or the cops settle it witrh force).
We must write to all the local tv stations expressing our views 9proving without doubt that we ARE Petards).
We must carefully explain to JJ Abrams that this not what we want (more mecha pr0n, plz).
Also tell him we want Iconic William Shatner in it as without him it is not really Star Trek but a derivative.He can easily be inserted in with a few lines shot on a green screen in his house (after all, trek isn't shit without shat)
We only have 2 months left before the film is lobotomized.
Therefore I urge you,all you people to stop listen to me wasting time here and get out go play instead.
Also don't stop attacking the messenger since i am, and always will be, a ass-hat. I never insulted any of you. much.
So it's phallic looking nacelles with NICE, shine-ney Hub-caps now, is it, dearest E?
*snort* i could grow to get used to the JJ-Ent, wish-boned struts and all. it doesn't matter how fucked up she looks, it's how she kicks ass that important. Everybody decries a Urbanmech until they walk in a city and get OWNED by one.
or a better example: The Nu-Galatica. Butt-ugly and yet still effective, even at 2000 feet and jump-dropping....
Lock this. Now. please? thank you...
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
He's like some kind of robot that's been programmed to be a dork, but hasn't gotten it quite right.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Well I've said it before that he's some sort of retarded V'Ger.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
E, or Pensive? Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
*coughs and loads his Tipmann paint markers*
""Ohhhhhh Val~aireee..... Ohhhh ohhhh ohhhh.....
Val~aireee..... Ohhhh ohhhh ohhhh.....
Let's paint the town! Lets fuck up the clown!
Let's lock and load, yellow/red balls round dome!
Oh-ohhhhhhh Val-aireeeee..... Piff!
Piff!Piff!Piff!
Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!
Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!
ass hat. Piff!
Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!Piff!""
A-5? double trigger? Me happy! piff!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Once there was a guy on another social board I ran. He would come in every few months since his previous removeal from the forum, and immediately started to slam one member of the group, swearing and threatening violence (this was a family board), saying this person was trying to start a fight with another person at the next in-person meeting of the group. The interesting part is, neither member actually seemed to exist, or at least never posted about it).
Eventually, the person would reveal that he was angry at one perso and wanted to take revenge on him for threatening to kill his daughter, all the while still cursing and basically being a dick. Still later, he would reveal that his daughter was a virtual character he created in the online game Ragnarok.
Thoroughly humiliated by the board community, the person would post up a storm and be banned as a result of breaking pretty much every board rule. A few months later, the time loop would start all over again.
Sometimes I wonder whatever happened to that person...
Mark
Posted by Ventriloquists Got Shot (Member # 239) on :
Maybe this person has the asperger's.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ventriloquists Got Shot: Maybe this person has the asperger's.
I'd believe that. Lots of Trek fans have Asperger's (I'm not necessarily pointing fingers at any Flarites.)
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
To be honest, it would explain a lot, but I've never bothered looking into it. After all, what good would it do me? I'm unbearable enough as it is, the last thing I need is an excuse to be even more obnoxious.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Er....It's silly to give assholes the excuse of a very real (probably) autism-related condition. truth is, some people just suck and get off on negative attention (that is, being an ass so people will pay attention).
The internet has given many an asshat the chance to annoy large groups of people. Possibly the fountainhead root of all trolling.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Which makes it even harder for me to understand why you took all your McDonnell-Douglas shares and put them in Time Cube.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, I was going to invest heavily in Nintendo's Game Cube but we all saw where that went.
Though I lack hard evidence, I still stand by my claim that X-Box supports the military indistrial complex via violent military-themed first person shooters.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Well, I was going to invest heavily in Nintendo's Game Cube but we all saw where that went.
Though I lack hard evidence, I still stand by my claim that X-Box supports the military indistrial complex via violent military-themed first person shooters.
+1 (of many)
have to admit, that he even replied once to this thread was a surprise to me... well, lets hope he stays quiet for a few more months....
Piff! Piff! Piff!Piff!Piff!
fuck. i so wanna break out the guns (but Tipmann's don't do well in the cold from my experiance...)
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A-5? double trigger? Me happy! piff!