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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>NightWing</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,2,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="http://stenterprise.com/62801a.jpg"> <P> <img src="http://stenterprise.com/62801b.jpg"> <P>It looks VERY close to the Akira design... I love it!<P>(please note that this <I>may</I> be a hoax)<P><BR>I'd like to add that the designer(s) have made an excelent choice to make the ship look like (arguably?) the best looking official Federation ship ever to be seen on screen. <B>IF</B> this is indeed the top view of the pre-Enterprise I'm more convinced now the see this series than before.<p>[ June 29, 2001: Message edited by: NightWing ] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Evil_Lord</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,3,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:52 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> That <B>is</B> an Akira (or an adaptation of the design, anyway), and I very much doubt the new ship will look anything like it. Starfleet hasn't been founded yet, the primary/secondary hull configuration hasn't been adopted yet, and this has hoax written all over it.<P>[Edited for your convenience]<BR><A HREF="http://flare.solareclipse.net/cgi2/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=001261" TARGET=_blank>Right Here</A><BR>[/Edited for your convenience]<p>[ June 30, 2001: Message edited by: The_Evil_Lord ] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Vogon Poet</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,4,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:14 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> There's a thread on this already, in Starships & Tech. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,5,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:12 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Take a look right next to the "Enterprise" tag. There's another one that appears to say, "Star Trek Voyager Special Effects".<P>Don't know what this means. Don't really care. An Akira-looking ship would be cool aslong as it doesn't look too modern for its time... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Red Admiral</b> <br /><small>Member # 602</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,12,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:00 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Evil Lord's right, that pretty much is an Akira. I share doubts that the final pre-UFP ship will resemble that in any way. If it carries any familiar design configurations we've witnessed evolve SINCE TOS, then I don't think they've done their job very well. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Obi Juan</b> <br /><small>Member # 90</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,30,21,54,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:54 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> ...the primary/secondary hull configuration hasn't been adopted yet <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Really? When was that ever said? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Evil_Lord</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,1,3,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 01, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's one of those semi-canon facts, based upon the design of the Daedalus class (which was supposedly the first <B>Starfleet</B> ship to demonstrate such a configuration, according to the encyclopedia). <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,1,15,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 01, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:23 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Of course, the best part of the nagging fan-boy criticism of Enterprise is watching the same people who'll quite happily ignore Okua's chronology at will deceide that EVERYTHING WRITTEN IN THE ENCYLOPDEDIA IS A HOLY TABLET FROM GOD.<P>And you're wrong, anyway.<P>Daedalus-class starship (Italics mine):<P>"These ships were <i>amoung the first</i> to demonstrate the primary/secondary hull and warp nacelle designs that would become characteristic of Starfleet vessels".<P>Not "The first". "Amoung the first". Which is a world of difference. Especially since we're talking about ships which are only around ten years older than whatever the Enterprise will be. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Evil_Lord</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,1,15,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 01, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:47 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, erpz. A loophole. My bad. You got me there(didn't really expect anyone to look it up though <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> ).<P>Btw (1), anything that's in the encyclopedia is about as canon as canon can get (you dig?). Pretty damn close to a holy tablet from God if you ask me. <BR>Btw (2), it's <I><B>among</B> the first</I>. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,1,15,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 01, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:56 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'm sure he only typed "amoung" as a metaphour for something... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shik</b> <br /><small>Member # 343</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,1,16,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 01, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:19 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Those wacky Brits & their silly little diphthongs! How they make us giggle as we watch them make even the Canadians seems foppy! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aethelwer</b> <br /><small>Member # 36</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,1,18,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 01, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:39 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Technically, it's a digraph, not a diphthong. I hope. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,1,20,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 01, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:21 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> If we were paying attention, I'm currently on a kick of putting in "ou" where it doesn't belong. It's partly to annoy the Candians who can't spell "color", and partly to annoy the Yanks who can't spell "colour", and partly to annoy Omega, who can't spell. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Obi Juan</b> <br /><small>Member # 90</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,1,21,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 01, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:32 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Btw (1), anything that's in the encyclopedia is about as canon as canon can get (you dig?). Pretty damn close to a holy tablet from God if you ask me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I think that the Okudas make it pretty damn clear that anything in the Ency that is not "material from finished aired episodes" are their conjectures and are not official/canon. They usually identify most conjectures. <P>Okuda conjectures aren't bad. They generally aren't like (some) novels (comic books, RPGs, video games, etc.) where people are pulling stuff out of their asses just to explain something that hasn't been explained onscreen. They generally base them off of: (1) the episode writer's intention (2) scenes that were cut (3) material that was in the script but not stated onscreen, such as character names (4) information that was heavily implied but not directly stated onscreen, or (5) a logical extrapolation of the facts stated onscreen.<BR> <BR>One would hope that an episode writer tries to stick with the facts that have been stated onscreen, but should they be expected to interpret them the same way that the Okuda's do? Hell while the Daedalus class is canon and the design is canon, they have never been canonically tied together (as stated previously in this thread). All we really know about the Daedalus class is that it was in service in 2167 and retired in 2196. We don't even know if it <I>did</I> have the primary/secondary hull configuration, let alone that it was one of the first ship designs to have it. They either pulled that little nugget from their anal cavities or perhaps based it upon a kind of general agreement between the people on the Star Trek staff that this was the case (behind the scenes lore). It probably was a tip of the hat to the fact that it was the real life prototype for the whole primary/secondary hull configuration that has pretty much dominated Trek ship designs for 35 years.<P>Bottom line: The writers seems to have a hard time considering facts that have been restated 1000 times over onscreen as "a holy tablet from god." They obviously don't consider the Okuda's conjectures to be and neither do I.<P>But they are interesting to read.<p>[ July 01, 2001: Message edited by: Obi Juan ] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,2,18,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 02, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> And I'm sure that the Okuda's themselves have said that their conjectures could quite easily be ignored, if it improves an episode. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Daniel</b> <br /><small>Member # 453</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,6,2,18,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 02, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:59 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yes. They have, I think. Just to take a barb seriously. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> Introduction to one of the references... <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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