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Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
 
Just found this on the Trek BBS site.

She is lovely

http://www.lcarscom.net/NX-01wp.jpg
 


Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Are we sure that's official? It looks sorta... Off...

Mark
 


Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Well, according to TrekWeb, this same image appeared in today's edition of USA Today. ::shrug::
 
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
Doesn't seem like the real deal to me. The designs from the warp nacelle pylons are missing.
 
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
 
It looks off beause its a PR render. They use too many lights to show off every detail. Anyway, it will look better in the show. And yes that the official model
 
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
 
Its the worst ship design in Trek history. Whoever designed it was lazy that's all I have to say.

By the way a few weeks ago, I said that I would wait until the show started that I would voice by opinion but this ship is just... plain shit.
 


Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
Great, Matrix, now all you have to do is go and post those comments three times on every one of the other threads where the ship is even mentioned and you'll fit right in...
 
Posted by Reginald Barclay (Member # 594) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Matrix:
Its the worst ship design in Trek history. Whoever designed it was lazy that's all I have to say.

I wouldn't characterize John Eaves as lazy. I blame Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and the rest of TPTB. They have the final say on the design and I'm sure one of them, probably Berman, said "I really like the Akira design and nobody except those Trekkie dweebs would recognize it if we reused it."
 


Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
 

BLUE WARP GRILLS?

But they appeared in the TNG era, and not the TOS era.

Not even in the movies too!!! Not even in Star Trek: Generations. And when they redid the TOS Enterprise in DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations", there was no "blue glow" coming from their engines.

Yet we see it here. Jesus, for once PLEASE if it is going to be from pre-TOS era, please PLEASE make it look like it IS one.......
 


Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Ah, but Tahna Los, the Phoenix from Star Trek: First Contact had the blew warp grilles. Well, at the very least she made the blue flash when leaping into warp.
 
Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
 
But that's it. I can accept that.

But if this blue glow will be on the ship even when it is NOT in warp, well...... God help Brannon Braga and company.....
 


Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
 
So. She's no longer super-extra-shiny-gold-tone, (which I can take), and she's got the blue nacelle grilles. Well, we'll see how she looks in the show.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
The blue glow is always there, according to the TNGTM. So the fact that it exists here isn't a problem. However, it has been shown that cutting windows in the nacelles to make it visible is a much later concept. I wish they had stuck to the suggestion they've made that that just wasn't done back then...
 
Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
 
The TOS Enterprise, Reliant, and Excelsior did NOT have such a blue glow on their ships, even when they went on impulse.

So someone please explain this anomaly to me?
 


Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
TOS isn't canon anymore, remember?
 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
*LOL*

Actually, that's a very interesting comment you just made, Vogon. I didn't really think about it until you said it, but you're absolutely right. There have been several instances of this show not being true to TOS but rather to the later shows (and no, I'm not going to list them because everyone already knows what I'm talking about).

It's almost starting to look like that five-year mission never really happened (hmmm...can anyone say "Animated Trek"?)

[ July 13, 2001: Message edited by: Dukhat ]


 
Posted by Stingray (Member # 621) on :
 
Eaves wasn't lazy, he was criminally unoriginal.

As for the blue glow, we never did see E-nil actually gowing from impulse to warp, at least not an external shot of the nacelles. I take it that the indentations on the inside of either nacelle was where the blue flash would come from had we ever seen it.

In the later series though, like the DS9 battle sequences, we did see Excelsiors and Mirandas (Excelsiors I'm positive, Mirandas I'm 90% sure) with the blue glow at impulse.

Do ships use warp bubbles to maneuver at impulse? Does that make any sense or is it a stupid question?
 


Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
 
Obviously, the Mirandas and Excelsiors in TNG and DS9 were refurbished with new engines to keep up with technology. I wouldn't be surprised.
 
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
 
Just what is so WRONG with this design? Who is the keeper of the sacred grail of starship continuity, that says that:
1- catamaran starships do not predate TOS.
2- some starships have baffles which conceal/recycle the "blue energy glow" and some don't.
 
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
 
Regarding the "glow" on the warp nacelles...

In ST:TMP the E-Nil refit had a bluish glow on the inside grills of the nacelles whenever the ship went to warp (watch the last shot of the ship at the end of the film...the grilles are black until just an instant before she goes to warp...they turn on and ZOW!).

As to the E-D, Andy Probert told me he never intended the engines to glow all the time, only at warp. That's why the grilles were painted copperish (which you never really see because they're always glowing). But the FX people just shot the ship that way cause they liked the way it looks. He described that having the grilles glowing at sub-warp speed as as stupid as "having an F-16 on the tarmack with its wheels chocked and the afterburner on."
 


Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
 
One other thing about the pre-E...

This really started with the Excelsior, but I'm getting pretty sick of it. Look at the texture on the top of the saucer just forward of the bridge. Notice how tiny those planels are. Some are smaller than the portholes. No one would build a ship out of 3x3 foot panels. It's a stupid and clumsy attempt to establish scale, and it's inconsistent with the much larger "Aztec" patterns surrounding.
 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Eric: The old ships didn't have a blue glow because the nacelles were completely contained. There was no way for the light to get from the inside to the outside. It was there, but you couldn't see it. It's like putting your hand over a flashlight and wondering why there's no light coming out of it.
 
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
And this is an old ship, right? So the nacelles shouldn't have the grilles.
 
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Well, Cochrane's Phoenix was an even older ship and she had the grilles on her nacelles. From the Daystrom Institute of Technology Library:


 


Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Dude, whose side are you on, anyway?

Can't you see that we're trying to think of excuses not to like the Pre-E?

No I'm not being sarcastic, why?

[ July 13, 2001: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]


 
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
quote:
Dude, whose side are you on, anyway?

Can't you see that we're trying to think of excuses not to like the Pre-E?

No I'm not being sarcastic, why?


Airing of opinions is one thing. Starting a crusade is another. In the nicest-possible Sol-ish way, get a life.
 


Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
 
Burn the Enterprise. Burn it!
 
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
 
THE ENTERPRISE LOOKS COOL. FOAD
 
Posted by Mr. Christopher (Member # 71) on :
 
"Foad"?
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
"Fuck off and die."

Why can't I see this picture anymore? "Unknown Host?" Buh?
 


Posted by Stingray (Member # 621) on :
 
Did we see the Excelsior jump to warp in III or VI? Also, hasn't there been the blue coming out the sides of the Excelsior and others where its coming out the top?

[ July 14, 2001: Message edited by: Stingray ]


 
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Hey, i just realized that the original configuration Connie has similar grilles on the inward-facing sides of the nacelles. Wow!

But, however, the Daedalus does not.
 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Well, technically speaking, the pictures of the Daedalus in the Encyclopedia suggest that the back ends glow blue.
 
Posted by The_Evil_Lord (Member # 256) on :
 
I really could care less about nacelle-glow colors. I'm more concerned for MINOR and IRRELEVANT details, like, oh, I don't know, historical continuity. Preventing the timeline, and all other canonically established facts from being screwed up seems to me a somewhat bigger issue that needs to be addressed.
 
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TSN:
Well, technically speaking, the pictures of the Daedalus in the Encyclopedia suggest that the back ends glow blue.

Yes, and I submit that the whitish domes on the aft end of the series-version Constitution serve the same purpose... as well as the holes on the pilot-version Constitution. As a matter of fact, it would be cool if, at warp, the original series Enterprise's aft domes glowed blue-white. They could even "smear" as the film versions did.
 


Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Hey the Evil Lord is right! Can't we shut up about this whole 'does the blue glow or not' crap and think about why wars are jumping around from one century to another and why there was a Starfleet starship Enterprise before the E-nil?

I think we've settled the whole bluewarp grille thing pretty well. The E-nil has them. The Daedalus has them. The Phoenix has them. There's no technical reason why the Pre-E shouldn't have them. It's just a cosmetic thing that serves as one more little detail that makes the NX-01 look not quite as primitive as it should.

R U guys happy now?


 


Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
quote:
Why there was a Starfleet starship Enterprise before the E-nil?

Easy. The E-nil bore the name "USS Enterprise". The E-(-A) bears the name "SS Enterprise." Therefore, the E-D is the fifth to bear the name "USS Enterprise" but certainly not the fifth vehicle to have Enterprise in its name in any shape or form (because then you'd get into the space shuttle, the sailing ship, the Hoopliner etc.) The fact that they could be different Starfleets entirely is only reinforcement.
 


Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
April/Pike/Kirk's Enterprise (NCC-1701) has been explicitly referred to (on TNG, DS9, VGR, I can't quote exact eps) as both "the first Starship Enterprise" and "the original Starship Enterprise" so it doesn't matter what prefix it carried (U.S.S., S.S., etc.) because it hasn't only been called the "first U.S.S. Enterprise."

That's one thing they can't get around. That and the registry number.
 


Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Er, has it? Where?
 
Posted by Dr. Obvious (Member # 271) on :
 
Dont Forget the Aircraft Carrier , USS Enterprise

Mim , get some episode names I wanna see those lines.
 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
"Can't we shut up about this whole 'does the blue glow or not' crap and think about why wars are jumping around from one century to another and why there was a Starfleet starship Enterprise before the E-nil?"

No, we can't. If we have to shut up about nacelle glows, then you have to shut up about that other stuff. Gotta be fair...

"The E-(-A) bears the name 'SS Enterprise.'"

Well, according to the ship's hull, it's just "Enterprise", not "SS Enterprise".
 


Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Oh, yeah. I don't think it's been confirmed yet that the present incarnation will be S.S. at all. If it's Starfleet than it should by all rights be U.S.S., but then again, that might turn out worse.

Doc Obvious: Are you on my case again?! Man! Forget it, I'm too lazy. Go find the eps yourself. I can't believe you guys won't just admit that the whole frickin' series is just one big frickin' continuity error.

I'm going to bed. Talk to ya in the morning.
 


Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
Oh, yeah. I don't think it's been confirmed yet that the present incarnation will be S.S. at all. If it's Starfleet than it should by all rights be U.S.S., but then again, that might turn out worse.

Actually, Paramount registered the term "S.S. Enterprise" with the PTO recently, suggesting it's official.
 


Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Strangely enough, I just discovered, this weekend, that my great-uncle served on the HMS Daedalus as a Swordfish pilot in the Fleet Air Arm. Until he had a bit too close a look at a German anti-aircraft battery, that is.
 
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
quote:
Forget it, I'm too lazy. Go find the eps yourself.

Here's the first rule of debating: if you have a point to make you need to present the evidence that supports your argument. It is not your opponent's job to find the support for your argument; it's your opponent's job to find the evidence that contradicts and invalidates your argument. Of course, this could hardly be considered a debate, in which case, your failing to support your own conclusions attacks at your own credibility.


quote:
I can't believe you guys won't just admit that the whole frickin' series is just one big frickin' continuity error.

Why should we admit that the series is going to be one big clusterfuck? The evidence that we have shows that the series is not violating continuity. Your argument for the new series being a continuity disaster is based on 1) your dislike of Berman and Braga, 2) dates for events that were assumptions made in the Chronology and Encyclopedia, and 3) the physical details such as set construction and ship design conflict with your sense of what is proper for the mid-22nd century.
 


Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
 
Go Siggie!

I still maintain that most of you are being far too premature in your criticisms. Wait a few episodes (I suggest 6). By then we'll know. With few exceptions (Excalibur), it is impossible to judge a series before it airs.
 




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