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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

I've done some closer study of some of the costumes we see in the new promo, and after dropping screengrabs into photoshop and blasting color-levels to seventies levels I've managed to pick out a few things.

Firstly, the uni's appear far richer in color than they did on ET. They're clearly that blue-verging-on-purple color we heard described earlier and look a lot less pajama-like. But that's just my take. I must admit I was pretty lukewarm to them at first but they're growing on me.

The field jacket that we see Tucker in is almost certainly black leather. Along the usual below-shoulder line appears a department color stripe and above it is something greyish. Now, if you look at the Archer-playing-tonsil-hockey pics, he appears to be in a getup with these shimmery embroidered silvery thingoes on the shoulders and collar, which seems to line up roughly with where the grey is on Tucker's jacket. So I'm thinking they're the same jacket design. Indeed, the "snowstorm" pic with the phase pistol(?) kinda shows a similar texturing on everyone's shoulders and a gold stripe on Archer, but that's with a lot of squinting

I'm pretty sure Hoshi's department color, is, lo and behold, purple. I tell you, there was a compact between Okuda Zimmerman and Blackman to stick it everywhere!

T'Pol's costume, is to my eye anyway, remarkably Vulcanesque in aesthetic. The entire wrap thing does wonders.

Any further thoughts/refutations?

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

I got a question: have we figured out the rank insignia yet?

Other than that, I really do like the new uniforms. I wonder if it's a really leather or a fake leather jacket, though. And a purple department color? Essentially, it looks like it's breaking down to mustard gold for command, cranberry red for ship's services (namely engineering), and purple for communications. Sciece and medical will likely be blue, but we haven't seen a picture confirming it.

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

My thinking has been that Sato's part of the Science Department on board, but medical could still be blue. If the palette has moved to encompass secondary colors, however, the liklihood of green or something else appearing certainly goes up.

As for the rank insignia, there's still a bit of cloudiness with the whole matter. They're clearly round, and are either silver or really glossy gold (a la TNG) and probably a little bigger than the previous rank pips. Now, Archer definitely has four, and Mayweather one, so that kinda points at a direct regurgitation of the TNG-era scheme (which incidentally is far more in-keeping with the current consensus on military insignia than TOS). However, the best I can tell from the video is that Tucker has two distinct and shiny pips, with the possibility still open that there could be some other less-apparent insignia with them. Now, depending on what source you read, he's either a Cmdr. or a Lt. Cmdr., and that doesn't bode well if there's indeed only two pips. Let's just hope he hasn't caught Tuvok syndrome.

Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

He could have a black pip that can't be seen, which would be Lt. Cmdr. in TNG ranking.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Well, let's hope there isn't any instance of the O'Brien syndrome here as well, Tom.

I could see communications being moved to a part of the science department here, although I'd find it more logical for her to be under engineering or operations (like Uhura) or command (since it's a command-heavy feature like flight control). Add to that we haven't seen what color security is going to be popping in with, either.

And I agree that Archer is definitely wearing four pips on near his right breast. And while Tucker could have a black-ish pip, I really can't make out and signs that there is anymore than two pips on him. Eh, who know? We'll be finding out come September.

And I really do like T'Pol wraparound. Very elegant garb for her. It also looks to be a neutral grayish color with some something purplish or dark bluish near the collar. The later Trek series had the 47 conspiracy; Enterprise is going to have the purple conspiracy.

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

Whatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhat? You can see a weapon? Which pic?

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Could someone post some screen grabs of the field jacket and T'Pol's wrap around? I've not seen this promo yet and...well...Aban's curious

Posted by Commander Paris (Member # 119) on :

Enterprise Online had screen shots of the entire promo yesterday, but for some reason it's offline today. Tripods' fault AGAIN!

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

And another soul falls victim to the Great Tripod Massacre. Rest in peace, brave soldier.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Over in another thread, TheF0rce posted a link to an mpeg of the promo. Now, I could clearly see the rank insignia on Archer and Tucker. It's definitely the TNG rank system, but it seems to be using silver squares instead of the gold circles. And Tucker is wearing three complete pips. As for T'Pol, oddly enough, the texture pattern on her wraparound looks vaguely like the silvery pattern on the Romulan military uniforms. She's wearing no Starfleet insignia whatsoever on her clothing, but the pin on her right collar looks vaguely like the IDIC symbol.

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Some reasonably clear shots from http://www.trekenterprise.com :

Pips
Hey, you're right, the pips are rectangles...

Jackets
Tucker in field jacket. It would appear that the diamond embroidery not only covers the shoulders but also the body of the jacket. And now I'm thinking it mightn't be real leather but Anne Robinson-issue fake shit. The patch on the right arm is new, I think.

T'Pol 1 | T'Pol 2.

TrekEnterprise.com has no shots of the phase pistol, unfortunately. Sorry, Lee...

[ July 20, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Jpegs are access forbidden!

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Images uprooted and replanted @ hypermart, should work now...

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Much appreciated, lads. That field jacket looks half way decent.

Aban's secret of the day --- Anne Robinson is kind of good looking when she's not acting like a witch.

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Just found this at http://www.zap2it.com :

quote:
A short clip from the series showed new form-fitting uniforms, with a small stripe across the chest and over the shoulders, with colors like purple and yellow and blue and green

A-speculating shall we go?

[ July 21, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Enterprise is going to be a rainbow of colors, ain't it? Zap2It says we have blue, green, yellow, and purple. Add to that the red strip we've seen on Chief Engineer Tucker in that promo. Let's see...

Red I'm guessing is the department color for Engineering (Tucker's wearing it).

Yellow I'm guessing is the department color for command and flight control (Archer and Mayweather were wearing that color in the promo).

Purple I'm guessing is the department color for communications. Seems odd to put communications in a department all by itself, but I suppose the communication functions on starships isn't as routine and self-operating as the future series (Sato was wearing this color in the promo).

That leaves us with blue and green. So far, the science, medical, and security departments are unaccounted for. As my own speculation, I'd throw science and medical together since they are so closely related. They'd probably be blue to keep in line with the TOS color scheme. Therefore, green would go to security.

And all of this is dependent on that report being correct and someone not mistaking the yellow for the green (like was so often done for Kirk's tunic in TOS).

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Well, security and engineering have always struck me as "the odd couple" when it came to uniform colors. I can see science blending into medical enough that separating them mightn't be too useful, but one would thing engineers have no more to do with security than scientists do. But, from what we can tell, Reed is equivalent of Security Chief on the Enterprise, and he's in the same color as Tucker in the shots we saw. So it would appear that this lumping-together is remaining intact.

But, is this color that red? While it looked really red in the ET footage, based on how the blues in the uniform turned out far less saturated than they look in the trailer I'm willing to speculate that the ET people had some lighting balance issues. Indeed, it looks far more of cranberry-ey/mangenta type colour in the shots of Tucker in the trailer. Could it even be called purple to some eyes?

Now, I'll be the first to point out how unscientific my color saturation blasting was with that dark pic of Hoshi and that my picking-out of purple traces in the right spot on her shoulders could be nothing more than a fluke. (And they were very much violet, not close to Tucker's magenta.) Still, it's likely that more than two departments will be represented in the uniforms of the human senior staff if only for variety's sakes. So I'd be inclined to put her in a different department anyway. Considering she seems to be more of an academic than an adventurer, she might be in the science department, or possibly there could be a distinct colour for mission specialists.

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

While I was writing that last post I downloaded a higher rez trailer. Well, in a word, so much for my photshop enhancement skills. The fram I was working with before was clearly quite useless, because there's about one single frame where Hoshi's light does indeed cast some illumination on her shoulders...

<scotty>It's green</scotty>

More specifically, a bluey sea green. But the lighting is so awful it could probably be anywhere from blue to forest green. But that narrows things down a bit.

Original

Enhanced

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Engineering and security is an odd pairing, isn't it? Evidentally, there is a good deal of overlap in those two departments. I think it was TNG's "Chains of Command" where La Forge was complaining to Riker that Captain Jerico had transferred a third of the engineering staff to security. So, who knows?

In the ET promos, that shoulder strip definitely looked red. But the lighting for the special report was bumped up a bit. The trailer does make it seem that the strip is cranberry color. It's close to purple. Unfortunately, I must have missed the pictures of Reed 'cause I haven't seen him anywhere. And looking at the trailer more closely, I can't even tell if Sato is in her uniform or not. So, who knows?

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

And now that I've found out how to take grabs from that video, some more interesting shots:

The dude in the hood, (who may be a Suliban?) He doesn't look too friendly.

Tucker in shuttle Red? Cerise? Magenta? Burgundy? Cranberry? Maroon?

And, for our local Vogon, a straight grab and enhancement of the shot w/the boys playing in the snow with the phase pistol.

[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

And of course, The_Tom sneaks in a post with pictures while I was working on my response. Yep, looks like Sato is wearing a form of green.

About the dude in the hood, I'm not sure if its a Suliban or not. A couple seconds later, we see a hooded woman kissing Archer. But if it is a Suliban, he sure doesn't look all that exotic. The Suliban are supposed to have an exoskeleton, right?

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

If hooded jumping guy = Archer's belle then Roseanne Arnold = Supermodel.

What we can see of the face certainly has the evil reptilian thing going for it, (DH said teh script describes the Suliban as "Chameleon-like") and these guys are meant to be able to do all manner of funky things with their bodies, one possibly being jumping like a jackrabbit.

Interesting note on Tucker's rank pips... It looks like there're three of them, with the middle different to the outer ones. Lt. Cmdr?

[ July 22, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Well, if I was jumping onto a spool of hose, holding a gun, wearing a hood, had a sinister expression of my face, and was obscured in the shadows, people would say I look like Roseanne Arnold, too.

Yep, looks like Tucker's middle pip is different from the surrounding two. It looks darker; either black with a shiney outline to it or just a darker shade of gray. I'd say lieutenant commander.

Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Siegfried:
Engineering and security is an odd pairing, isn't it? Evidentally, there is a good deal of overlap in those two departments. I think it was TNG's "Chains of Command" where La Forge was complaining to Riker that Captain Jerico had transferred a third of the engineering staff to security. So, who knows?

Well, the idea in the original series was to have "Command," "Science," and "Services." Engineering, security, communications, ordnance, shuttlecraft people, and so on aren't line officers, and they aren't scientists, so they get grouped together. I would have had the helm and navigation people in red if it were me, but it seems that people (in any department) who are on the command track can wear gold. Now, the part that's harder to explain is the numerous scientists wearing red (e.g. Marla McGivers) and services people wearng blue (e.g. Charlene Masters) or gold (e.g. Angela Martine).

Posted by HappyTarget (Member # 670) on :

Just a thought I had in regards to lumping engineering and security together. Many other, non Star Trek, military sci-fi, use combat mareines(sp?) for both combat and as backup ship damage controll guys. This indicates that they may have a basis in combining them.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I thought the Suliban were "chameleon-like" because they could change shape? Maybe they can look human when they want to...?

Posted by Hunter (Member # 611) on :

Well spoilers have said that the Enterprise crew run into a Suilban rengade who hasn't under gone Gentic Alteration. Given similarites betwwen jumping guy and the chick Archer is kissing I'm guessing she's the renegade.

Btw the Shot with the Klingon in the trailer, any body else think thats the inside of a Suilban ship? It lacks the interior design associated with Kilingo ships and the interface looks to modern for the Enterprise (looks kind like the one from the Relativity).

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

I had guessed that the Klingon was either on a Suliban ship or in a Suliban outpost. He's restrained to the chair and the interface on the surrounding consoles seem to be some kind of LCARS-like system. Too modern for the Enterprise period.

Posted by Hunter (Member # 611) on :

There also appears to be twires attached to his head suggesting some fairly advanced tech.

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

Nice one Tom. I actually had a preliminary Enterprise weapons page ready to go, with a couple of basic pause-screen capture grabs from the promo. But yours're better. 8)

The page will go up as soon as I reconfigure the front page to accomodate another section.

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

quote:
with colors like purple and yellow and blue and green

New thought: Could this mean "purple with yellow stripes" and "blue with green stripes"?

[ July 24, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

*hates posting consecutively*

Came across a hugeass image of Archer and his pips. They're very three-d, quite different to the TNG ones. And well, could they possibly be multicoloured??

Granted, it might be a glitch in the vidcapping or a bizarre reflection off something on the bridge, but, um, look for yourself:

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Look to be 3-D rectangles with tapered edges...Lord, I hope they're silver and not crystal or anything transparent...

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

I'll resurrect this dying thread.

I took a look at the third UPN Enterprise promo, and they had some uniform close-ups. Malcolm Reed does wear red division stripes. So red definitely is ship's services. Sato is wearing an aqua color for division strips. The scene of Dr. Phlox had him wearing a lab suit or leisure clothes (couldn't really tell).

So, if they are maintaining a continuity with the TOS division colors, aqua is the one for sciences. But why would Sato be wearing aqua? My guess is that at this point in space travel, communications is more a scientific path since the universal translater isn't really developed and Earth is still encountering a lot of new races without knowing their language.

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Sieggy beat me to posting about what we see in the new batch of promos, but here goes some more pondering.

(Images were posted by some rather nice fellow to the trekbbs.)

Firstly, yes, Sato's in teal. I like.

Secondly, it looks pretty clear that the services dept. colour is in fact a magenta. I think the writer at zap2it was referring to these when he said "purple." Reed is clearly a Lieutenant.

Thirdly, a good close-up of Admiral Forrest's uniform, which shows a fold-over collar on the jacket part and what looks like magenta outlined with white (!) division colours. Bizarre. The white might be shiny gold that's reflecting under lights, but it's still a little weird.

Some bonus pics of T'Pol and Phlox.

And finally, a good shot of the away team jacket. Looks like it's all shiny stuff after all, and not leather. Bizarre.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Probably Gortex.

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

Looking at that picture of Admiral Forrest, I noticed something about his rank pins. His three pips don't appear to be in a box like the TNG admiral rank pins were. In fact, it looks like the only way to distinguish between line officer and flag officer is that the flag officer has rank pins on both shoulders. Interesting.

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Away Jacket, Vulcan-style

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

And on another note...

quote:
Originally posted by The_Tom:
If hooded jumping guy = Archer's belle then Roseanne Arnold = Supermodel.

Well, um, *eats words* the chick he's kissing is certainly rather Sulibanish.

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

*coughsplutterstupidnetscape*

[ August 03, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

quote:
Well, um, *eats words* the chick he's kissing is certainly rather Sulibanish.

Uh huh.