Cutting the line mighty fine, ain't it?

Mark
 

In 2151, Earth is under one world government. She's been exploring the great unknown for a while now. She's on friendly terms with the planet Vulcan, but Vulcan is still somewhat leary of Earth. The founding of the United Federation of Planets is a good way off. Earth maintains a fleet of exploration ships and defense ships that operates under the direction of Starfleet. In other words, the Starfleet of 2151 is not the same Starfleet that we will come to know in TOS through Voyager.

Once the Federation is formed and Earth is named as the capital, the Earth Starfleet will be absorbed and modified into a service for all of the members of the Federation. At this point, the Earth Starfleet becomes the Federation Starfleet. Instead of exploring for and defending one planet, Starfleet explores for and defends several planets.
 

So this "starfleet" is like Earth Force from babylon5
and has nothing to do with the starfleet that is said in the encyclopedia to have been founded in the same year as the federation?
 

Mark
 

Somehow, though, I doubt that the Enterprise would be destroyed prior to 2161. I think that she'll still be in service after that, but I think it will still be in some capacity that only serves Earth. I think it would take some time to fully organize an interplanetary military/exploration organization that would be to the complete satisfaction of all the members. Thus, the Federation Starfleet does exist in 2161, but it takes a while before she becomes the powerhouse that she will become.

During this time, the member planets will probably maintain their own planetary defense force just in case the Federation Starfleet doesn't do a good job (and to ease the minds of the citizens). After all, the Federation was more or less an experiment in a large interplanetary alliance with member contributing to the mutual good of themselves and the others. It would seem a prudent move to me. With the Earth Starfleet becoming the Federation Starfleet, a small portion of her ships and staff members may be retained as a Earth-only organization. Perhaps this will be called the United Earth Space Probe Agency?
 

Timo Saloniemi
 

She never wondered why she was serving on the only ship in Starfleet with a "-D" registry? Didn't they tell her when she got her assignment on the Ent-D?
 

Of course she knows that there were other Enterprises before hers. However...and this is a good point...The fact that the Ent D has a D on the end doen't mean there have been only 5 enterprises in Starfleet or the Federation...it only means that there have been 4 before it with the registry of 1701. It's the fact that the plaque says "5th starship to bear the name" that throws a curve in it.

I'm with the reasoning above...Earth Starfleet will be absorbed into the Federation Starfleet and presently doesn't have anything to do with that future organization.
 

And remember, the computer that she was talking to was in a universe based solely on her mind. It's quite possible that if she didn't know of an earlier Enterprise, then the "computer" wouldn't have told her of any such ship.
 

I like the idea of post Federation interests being represented by a unique domestically operated agency, such as UESPA. One thing is for absolute certain, the Pre-E must either be destroyed, decommissioned or integrated into a purely non-Starfleet/Federation role by 2161. We must all surely agree on that. And for some reason it will be another 80-some years before another ship named Enterprise is commissioned.

Another bothersome issue is that darned wall display in TMP, which shows all other ships named Enterprise. And we all know this by now, but is there a working theory to explain our way round this? (perhaps they should release the special edition with an inserted graphic showing the Akiraprise)...
 

No it doesn't. It missed the space shuttle for one (or the carrier), and at least one other (I can't remember for the life of me. Is it the old schooner?)

"And we all know this by now, but is there a working theory to explain our way round this? (perhaps they should release the special edition with an inserted graphic showing the Akiraprise)..."

The obvious way around it is not to change anything, because it doesn't show all the previous ships named Enterprise. Even Decker only says "All those ships were called Enterprise", not "This is every Enterprise that has ever existed. EVER!"

Regarding UESPA: Considering that UESPA was mentioned, IIRC, twice in the whole original series run, and seemed to stand for exactly what Starfleet stood for, I highly doubt it will be mentioned. I say we stick it in the same hole as the "Lithium crystal" thing, and pretend we misheard it. But then, I like the easy option.
 

I have screen caps if you want to see it....

"The obvious way around it is not to change anything, because it doesn't show all the previous ships named Enterprise. Even Decker only says "All those ships were called Enterprise", not "This is every Enterprise that has ever existed. EVER!"

Granted, but in reality you'd expect them to show the first Starfleet ship named Enterprise, which from what we can gather will have an important and exciting role to play over the next seven years.
 

"Granted, but in reality you'd expect them to show the first Starfleet ship named Enterprise, which from what we can gather will have an important and exciting role to play over the next seven years."

You'd also expect whoever did the wall sculptures of the Enterprise-B and C in the observation lounge to make them actually look like the ships did.

It's not a huge deal, really.
 

"Granted, but in reality you'd expect them to show the first Starfleet ship named Enterprise..."

They did. Not to mention that the display itself was onboard the first Starfleet ship named Enterprise.

Unless you mean the first one to be part of anything called "Starfleet", in which case they would have to check out every civilization in the universe to determine who was first to use a term that could be translated "star-fleet".
 

This is something that I wrote quite quickly - if it oversteps the bounds of this thread then by all means remove it, but I figure it's acceptably short.

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He turned the model over in his hand, inspecting the details.
"So this is the new Galaxy-class starship, huh?"
"Just about. ASDB's still working out a few details, but that, my friend is the starship for the next century.
"Does it really have to be this big?"
The older engineer looked at his colleague with a mix of disdain and amusement.
"You're an idiot, you know that?" His own response was of mock anger, which quickly faded to a bemused smile that matched the other's.
The elder continued, "They decided that volume was more important than the best possible profile. And they still managed to achieve a damn good maximum warp.
"But it could be even faster if the profile was more streamlined."
"And keep the same volume?" It was a challenge to the younger engineer's impetuousness who, rather miraculously, was actually left speechless for a few seconds.
"I bet you…" He paused trying to think of something to bet. "I bet you we could." The other engineer regarded him for a moment, debating whether to carry on the conversation or not.
"Well, its too late now." He said finally. "They've already started building the prototype."
He had given up arguing the point, and went back to inspecting the model. He noticed something interesting about the model. "Hey, you realize that this model says Enterprise on it? NCC-1701…D."
"Yeah, they're going to make one of the Galaxy's into the next Enterprise."
"Which one?"
"Second or third probably. Depends on how well the prototype works."
"How much you want to bet that this one's going to be destroyed by Klingons too?"
The older engineer rolled his eyes, to which the younger man continued more forcefully
"Four Starfleet starships all named Enterprise. All destroyed by Klingons."
"Now that's not true. The C was destroyed by Romulans."
"But she was defending Klingons. Klingons were involved anyway. Don't tell me its any coincidence. And wasn't Earth Fleet Enterprise destroyed by Klingons too?"
"Beats the hell out of me. I'm too rusty on my pre-Federation history."
"If I were the captain of the Big E-D, I'd run at the first sign of a Klingon ship."
"And that, my friend, is exactly why you are not a starship captain."

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BTW: Just before I posted this, I changed 'UESPA' to 'Earthfleet' in the story because of the teaser. My supposition is that after Fed Starfleet was created the Earth Stafleet became generally known as the Earth fleet to avoid confusion.

[ August 11, 2001: Message edited by: Stingray ]

As friend Stephen once told me, "If you're on the Enterprise and the Klingons show up, someone's about to lose a flagship."
 

I happen to think that the Enterprise-A's decommissioning was coming up pretty quickly. The Excelsior class was probably in production by this point since the Excelsior herself was dropped from experimental status. And just a short three years later, the Enterprise-B was ready for launch. The Enterprise-B was a modified Excelsior class. Since it would take a while to build a ship (yet alone design the modifications and incorporate them into the design), I think that the Enterprise-B was already under construction during Star Trek VI.

This is just my opinion, but some of the facts that I use to base this opinion on are the Enterprise-B's design and construction time and that Starfleet didn't send another ship after the Enterprise-A when she first stated her warp drive was out for weeks and when the communication system went down. It seemed to me that Starfleet just sort of accepted the excuses as if they expected the ship to be suffering some minor or moderate systems trouble (granted, I also remain open to the possibility that the Enterprise-A was dodging ships that were sent after her).
 

Every Starfleet ship named Enterprise has been blown up by Klingons. And that is the end of that chapter.
 

And the E-C, which was blown up by Romulans.

We don't know what happend to the A and B.

So that leaves exactly ONE Enterprise that's been blown up by Klingons, for sure.
 

Goddamn you guys...

Alright, Klingons were involved in the destruction of every Enterprise...

And I believe my character stated as much.

You goddamn nitpickers of every goddman sentence...goddamn.

Screw you guys, I'm goin home.
 

Were the E-A officers perhaps to be dishonorably discharged (aka "decommissioned" in Starfleet parlance?) for their actions, despite McCoy's optimistic belief that the universe wasn't going to prosecute this time?

Kirk at least, in his farewell log entry, was convinced that "THIS ship" would inherit a new crew and go to new adventures. Not that he need have been right or anything, but at least Uhura's words hadn't convinced him that the story of the E-A was over.

Timo Saloniemi
 

I highly doubt that Kirk and the senior staff were dishonorably discharged. Think to the beginning of Star Trek: Generations. Chekov, Scotty, and Kirk were all at the launching ceremony for the Enterprise-B. All were in their uniforms with the same rank insignia as from The Undiscovered Country. If the crew had been dishonorably discharged, Kirk and company would probably not have been on the Enterprise-B for the ceremony. But if Starfleet did allow it, then they would have been civilian garb and not in their uniforms.

Besides, Starfleet would never have dishonorably discharged them for saving the galaxy. The last time the crew disobeyed orders and saved the day, the crew got a brand new Enterprise-A and Kirk was demoted to Captain in order to command that ship. Obviously a decision on the part of the Federation President and Starfleet Commander-in-Chief. I think the same thing happened at the end of The Undiscovered Country. Since Kirk saved their butts again, the Pres and CinC decided "they're not going to prosecute."
 

{hello to the forum, don't give me a hard time please, i've been reading the threads for some time b4 the summer , and i kinda was out of the loop for the past 3-4 weeks}

Anyway perhaps this plot idea may explain why NCC-1701 (TOS era ship) is the first fed/starship to bear the name. At the end of the Enterprise (pre-TOS era) run, there final mission involves these circumstances:
In order to prevent some temporal displacement catastrophe to save the world, involving perhaps the Klingons/Romulans/totally new and unseen race. Capt. Beckett and Co. go back in time (waits for the groans to stop) to the point before this new enterprise even went on the drawing boards, but some special piece of alien technology purges the future timeline of anything which may have become corrupted in the timeline, so that by the time we get to kirk's era, Beckett's enterprise never even existed...

Of course i'm probably completely wrong. [specially with everyone laughing at me ]

well that was my opinion.

Fedaykin Supastar out.
 

is Sam beckett anyone important?
 

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is Sam beckett anyone important?

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Not in Enterprise. It's the main char played by Archer-actor Scott Bakula in the Sci-fi series "Quantum Leap".
 

Does anybody in this Forum have ANY culture?
 

I also began to think of Arch-Bishop of Canturbury
but thats thomas beckett.