According to Aint it Cool News The Enterprise opening sequence will not be having the traditional orchastra music , instead they will be useing a more "modern" remix of the Rod Stewart Song "Faith of the Heart" heard on the Soundtarck to Patch Adams. The new Music will be playing over images of past Earth expeditions like the landing on the moon , The Discovery of the New World.
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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Hmm... The opening montage of historic exploratory moments sounds interesting. I think that would be an interesting twist since Enterprise is supposed to be about mankinds voyage in deep space for the first time.
The music I'm not too sure about. If this story is true, then I'll be disappointed by it. However, I'm weary about the truthfulness of the source of the story. As the article says, AICN is pretty much hit-or-miss, plus Paramount probably would have been using that music already in the promos instead of snippets of "Wherever You Will Go." Add to that, every series and movie has to have a theme. By theme, I mean a sequence or two of music that causes the listener to automatically think of a particular thing.
Every series and movie (at least in the past few decades) has had a theme. You sometimes catch yourself humming it to yourself. Star Trek is the same. All the movies and series have had a central musical theme (with TMP and TNG sharing a theme, and TNG, TOS, the movies sharing the Enterprise fanfare). Enterprise is going to have to have one for the series composer to maintain a semblance for the series music. I don't think that Enterprise is going to depend on a Rod Stewart song that was featured on another soundtrack to provide that theme.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
That sucks. It really does. All the other themes of the series were so memorable (especially Voyager's). Now, they're bringing in pop music to get a "wider audience." Everyone knows it's just Berman trying to rack up the ratings and money. So, if you're asked to do the themes of all the Star Treks, after Voyager you break into a Rod Stewart song? I hope the story is false. Cue the orchestra!
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
I'd prefer to wait and hear it before making any kind of judgments, but what interests me is will there be any voice-over commentary at the beginning? Such as Archer saying "Space, the final frontier," etc. I think such an opening sentence as this would be quite relevant to this series.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
::Thinks of message at the end of WB shows::
Announcer: "Music from tonight's episode of Enterprise included tracks from The Calling..."
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
They should get They Might Be Giants to do the music.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"In 2151, the humans and the Vulcans were split... The three nominees for the presidential candidate..."
Oops. Nevermind.
Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
I hope that this isn't true, I like the orchestral music scores in Star Trek. I remember when I first watched The Next Generation and I was in awe of the music. That's when I was first exposed to orchestral music which led me to "classical music" then jazz and then to other types of music which are out of the mainstream market. I hope that when Star Trek: Enterprise finally airs, I will not be mad about the music. I'm already mad about the sets, I don't any need more reason to not watch the show.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
You know what I'm looking forward to? The first opening dialogue in fifteen years.
Mark
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Opening Dialouge is sort of a staple in the Star Trek Universe. it seems the series without it don't do as well as the ones with the opening Dialouge. Speaking of sets I thought some aspects were a little more futuristic than expected for that era.
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
Erm. I somehow doubt that people watched "DS9" and said, "hey, there's no opening dialogue. Let's not watch this."
IMO, considering that DS9 was by far the best Trek series ever produced in terms of quality, writing, etc. (and VOY was by far the worst), what you suggest Dr. Phlox is by far innacurate ... if anything, DS9 and VOY have succeeded/failed in spite of whether or not they had opening monologues, not because of it.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Yeah...opening dialogue... "Space...the final fronteir...these are the voyages of the USS Enterprise...to seek out new life...and new civilizations...to boldly go where no man (one) has gone before... Suddenly, Destiny Child's "Survivor" is heard all over the screen! Jammin' to the hit tunes of Enterprise!
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Yeah...opening dialogue... "Space...the final fronteir...these are the voyages of the USS Enterprise...to seek out new life...and new civilizations...to boldly go where no man (one) has gone before... Suddenly, Destiny Child's "Survivor" is heard all over the screen! Jammin' to the hit tunes of Enterprise!
Posted by StyroFoam Man (Member # 706) on :
How about Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start The Fire" sung by Blondie backed up by N'Sync?
Posted by NightWing (Member # 4) on :
Opening dialogues make a good series. I like that theory. That's why Babylon 5 was such a great series, that is until they used quotes for the dialogue.
I like they new music approach. Makes the 'feel' more closer to home, which in fact is exactly what this series is.
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
quote:That's why Babylon 5 was such a great series
Hahahahahahahaha -- !
Have you even seen an episode of B5? It's ... well, rather painful to watch. And certainly more so to listen.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Then again, there are people who would say the same thing about any episode of any incarnation of Trek. Remember, like Omega's, your opinions are not universal...
Posted by Mr. Christopher (Member # 71) on :
Babylon 5 was a great series.
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
And I'm simply expressing that B5 was a bad show, with even worse dialogue. Chill, eh?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Describe the episode of Babylon 5 that you saw to make you draw that conclusion. Clearly you haven't been watching the correct episodes. Watch Messages from Earth or Severed Dreams...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
As long as we're sniping, the logic that could lead to B5=bad, Highlander=good is so alien to me it must come from the very depths of the Hollow Earth!
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
quote: And I'm simply expressing that B5 was a bad show, with even worse dialogue. Chill, eh?
Well, at least B5 was going somewhere! Voyager spent way too much of its seven seasons spinning its wheels, not to mention having a terminal case of Space: 1999 Syndrome (a small group isolated in the middle of nowhere for years, and only one kid conceived on the way? Please!)
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Maybe Voyager was carrying three drums of condoms and birth control pills in Cargo Bay 2?
Posted by Reginald Barclay (Member # 594) on :
I never watched Voyager religiously, but wasn't Naomi Wildman conceived before Voyager was lost? We never did see her father.
And I'd rather watch most episodes of B5 than any given Voyager episode.
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I have to agree, I like Babylon 5 a hell of a lot more than Voyager.
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
quote:Voyager
And what, pray tell, led you to believe I like Voyager? Voyager is horrible, worse than B5.
Why don't I like B5? Have you EVER listened to the dialogue? It's so wooden. Hell, even the actors make fun of it.
Sol, how someone could think Highlander=Bad, B5=Good is completely amazing to me.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Oh come on man, surely you can respond to a Hollow Earth reference with more forcefulness. Accuse me of being mind-controlled by our hidden alien overlords! Claim that my brain has been replaced with an intelligent hive of bees! That sort of thing.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yes Naomi was conceived before Voyager was lost. So that would make
Season 7 Spoilers $ $ $ $ $ $ only one kid that we know of conceived on Voyager during it's time in the DQ...namely Tom and B'Lanna's daughter.
My guess is that they have extremely reliable birth control in the 24th century.
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
Sol,
You've obviously been captured and mind controlled by Rob's Secret Librarian World Domination Army. Kill yourself before its too late.
I don't like B5. I'm sorry, I just don't. No amount of screaming is going to get me to change my mind. I think the dialogue is about as creative as "let's get in our car and drive for thirty-six and a half miles and then we will kill our enemy."
Let's move on, shall we?
Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
I still can't believe that they are using a modified version of a pop song... I may like pop music but you don't see me screaming for the opening sequence to have Madonna's "Beautiful Stranger" blasting as the Enterprise zooms by.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Hasn't anyone given a shred of thought to the fact that Omega's provided more accurate-sounding "sources" of info than this trash?
Posted by Obese Penguin (Member # 271) on :
Yeah this is all the word of one of AICN's sources, and they have a hit or miss record with this kind of stuff, not to mention that tacked on comment about Shatner appearing as one of Kirk's ancestors is REALLY pushing it.
This could be as phony as that "Weapons Console" image on that German Site.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Speaking of which, why wasn't there more of an uproar about that? I mean, it more or less proves that that site, at least, is just pulling stuff from anywhere and everywhere and calling it "news."
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I would assume that this montage thing might be at the START of the VERY FIRST episode... like how DS9 and Voyager started with scrolling text.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Well, the fairly-close-to-final draft script doesn't contain anything of the sort, and I imagine that such an opening montage would be scripted.
I'd far rather see a montage in the opening credits than a one-off out-of-place bit.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
"Particle Man." 'Nuff said.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Actually, of any TMBG song, I'd like to see "Space Suit" used as the opening theme to a Trek show.
Either that, or the intro to "Hall of Heads".
And, yes, I'm being serious.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Just as long as it isn't a goddamn boyband.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
They'll probably go with Dido, continuing the whole UPN-Roswell thing. I really like her new single - "Hunter?"
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Hunter" a new single? That song was on her album that came out over two years ago...
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Longevity, Timmy ma boogie.
Any usage of current music is evil im my opinion. Remember "Heavy Metal?" In the future, we were all supposed to be listenign to BOC & ELO. Then "Titan AE" tolds us the future was tracked by Corrosion Of Conformity & Powerman 5000.
No, let the show's film quality date itself, like all S1s since TNG.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
While the Dido album "No Angel" has been out for two years, it only recently because a hit here when "Here With Me" and "Thank You" were released as singles to cash in on the interest which built after Eminem's "Stan" (featuring samples of "Thank You") went to Number One here. They are now seeking to capitalise on that success by releasing "Hunter" as a single. And I'm getting really bored with having to qualify every single statement I make in order for it to be Nixpick (sic) proof. . .
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
You know what.. based on this thread, I am sitting watching opening credits from each series, except i am dubing random mp3s over the music. Its really quite fun.
Speaking of pop music and Star Trek, there are a few fun versions of the themes out there. Has anyone heard Tenacious D singing Gene's lyrics to the TOS theme. Or Todd Rundgren and Utopia doing a tripped out pop-trancy TOs theme.. I wont mention the techno mixes, they are shite..
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
I actually only found out that Gene had intended lyrics for the TOS theme rather recently... where might one find them?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
They are in the Inside Star Trek book by Justman and Solow. The lyrics are an odd point in Star Trek history.. Gene wrote them to con Sandy Courage out of half his royalties. Alexander Courage wrote the TOS theme, and Gene took it and added the lyrics. This way, Gene is listed as co-author and recieved half the royalties every time the theme was played. This is also why Courage never returned to Star Trek and they arent allowed to use his music in new productions (it would have been nice in Trials and Tribbleations)
They were written on the fly, and show it. By Courage (an other musicians) point of view they are unsound, having s sounds at the end of lyrics and adding extra beats (which is painfully apparent if you ever hear a band sing it)
I dont have the sheets in front of me, but i remember *mostly* how they go
Beyond the rim of the star light My love is wand'rin' in starflight I know he'll find in star-cluster'd reaches Love strange love a star-woman teaches I know his journey ends never His star trek will go on forever Just let him know as he wanders his starry sea Remember Remember me...
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Good lord. Those are as bad as "Threshold" set to Kid Rock music.
One minor point, though... Courage did come back to Star Trek, considering he orchestrated for Goldsmith on the last two films.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
"Our ship's the Ennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnterprise!"
Lovely.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"This way, Gene is listed as co-author and recieved half the royalties every time the theme was played. This is also why Courage never returned to Star Trek and they arent allowed to use his music in new productions (it would have been nice in Trials and Tribbleations)."
I don't know what Star Trek you're watching, but they played the original TOS fanfare in pretty much every episode of TNG. And in Trials and Tribbleations (how can you miss it? It plays when the original Enterprise first appears on teh viewscreen).
Or do you mean the second part of the music? Call me crazy, but I can here it at several points in TMP. It is also played in TVH when we first see the Enterprise-A in flight.
So, er, wrong. Wronger than a very wrong person whose just been proved wrong. By Omega.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Wow, that's really wrong.
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
Psy is right, the theme is all over the place. I wish they used it more though.
You know, I really wish they used the alternate main title theme from TNG for Enterprise. Thats a good song.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Quite. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I claim no knowledge of this issue, but there's a difference between using his old music, which is presumably the property of Paramount, and making new stuff. Or did I read that completely wrong?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
The opening fanfare has continued to be used throughout TNG too.. but the 'theme' for TOS (the music played during the credits, not before the voiceover) has not been used in its complete form beyond the movies, a couple of which did include a brief sample of it (about 6 or 7 notes woven into the score).
In Trials and Tribbleations they played a similar sounding theme, but with altered notes so it wasnt the same piece of music. Maybe we can try to grab some .wavs or .mp3s to compare here. Admittedly, music isnt my strong point, but still think this is what i recognized when i was listening.
And its on record in 'Inside Star Trek' That Alexander Courage was pissed and refused to return for more Star Trek work during the series
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Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
Well if Gene was the (official) co-writer for the main suite, then courage probably can't stop them from using it (assuming they have the consent of the Roddenberry estate). But other portions of the TOS soundtrack may be solely owned by Courage.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I'm not sure how half of a musical piece can be subject to different rights than the second part. Especially since Gene wrote the lyrics to the second part, which would make that part "his", as oppossed to the fanfare.
"And its on record in 'Inside Star Trek' That Alexander Courage was pissed and refused to return for more Star Trek work during the series"
Except, as stated above, he did. He arranged FC and Insurrection. Or by "series", do you mean "TOS"?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
thats exactly what i meant, seeing as that book was solely about the original series..
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
Im watching the end of Star Trek 3 right now. I just heard the fanfare complete within the score. 28 notes i belive.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
the fanfare? or the theme...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Counting on my hands, and ignoring the extended chords at the beginning, the opening fanfare "theme" is either 8 or 10 notes (the last two aren't always played). The rest of the TOS theme is 32 notes.
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: "This way, Gene is listed as co-author and recieved half the royalties every time the theme was played. This is also why Courage never returned to Star Trek and they arent allowed to use his music in new productions (it would have been nice in Trials and Tribbleations)."
I think some people are confusing the TOS opening title with the indidental music created for the series. The Enterprise fanfare heard in many episodes (deh dah dah, deh dah dah dah DAAA) is different, and I suspect doesn't doesn't kick anything back to the Roddenberry estate. They could have used that...or the original Tribbles incidental music...but no, they did another dull DS9 score. Oy...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Alexander Courage's theme was heard in Emissary... it says so on the Soundtrack.
Infact I was watching the Voyager episode "Shattered" last night - and in the scene where Tuvok dies - you hear the Star Trek Theme...
Can someone explain that part of the timeline? In that part where Tuvok dies - is that supposed to be Chakotay's present!?! Or is it a scene we have yet to see in the future... or is it set during "Year of Hell"?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
At his point, I'm willing to admit i'm wrong about that, but i still think there are cases wher they wanted to use it and couldnt. And Alexander Courage still gets credited when they play the fanfare, which he composed independent of the theme
Posted by Soundwave (Member # 138) on :
After finally seeing the sequence on a TV...
I like the opening video... even shows the Pheonix but that music has to go.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
What makes a good title sequence? I DL'ed an online version and, well, I don't know. Sure, I was completely bored with the standard space visuals/ponderous theme that characterised all the other recent Treks.
Right now I'm watching a lot of comedy on the Paramount Comedy Channel (imagine that). It's quite interesting to watch how styles of credit sequences seem to come and go, especially on shows like (picking some out of the air here, one or two might never have changed at all) Mad About You, Just Shoot Me, Spin City, Becker . . . one thing they have in common is they're relatively short, most wait to list the stars until the post-credits action has started.
Now, the Enterprise credits are 1 minute 20 seconds long. Can't say how that compares with previous Treks, but it sure seems longer. Wouldn't be surprised if they change them a couple of seasons in. I like the visuals, I like the actor's-names-only fading in and out, the song still sucks yet seems to fit somehow.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I DLed the song last night (anyone who likes Rod Stewart and was on a fileshare must have wondered what the hell was going on last night, with the same song being DLed 10 times as much!)
The lyrics wicked describe the situation.. i think its a supreme pick, even if i dont like it being associated with a Star Trek show.
quote:It's been a long road getting from there to here It's been a long time, but my time is finally near and I can feel the change in the wind right now Nothing's in my way and they're not gonna hold me down no more No they're not gonna hold me down
Cause I've got faith of the heart I'm going where my heart will take me I've got faith to believe I can do anything I've got strength of the soul and no one's gonna bend or break me I can reach any star, I've got faith, I've got I've got I've got faith....faith of the heart
It's been a long night trying to find my way Been through the darkness, now I've finally had my day and I will see my dream come alive at last I will touch the sky And they're not gonna hold me down no more no they're not gonna change my mind
Cause I've got faith of the heart I'm going where my heart will take me I've got faith to believe I can do anything I've got strength of the soul and no one's gonna bend or break me I can reach any star, I've got faith, I've got I've got I've got faith....faith of the heart
I'm going where the winds so cold, to see the darkest days But now the winds are free...only winds have changed I've been to the fire and I've been to the rain But I'll be fine cause I've got faith, faith of the heart
Cause I've got faith of the heart I'm going where my heart will take me I've got faith to believe I can do anything I've got strength of the soul and no one's gonna bend or break me I can reach any star, I've got , I've got I've got I've got faith....faith of the heart faith of the heart I'm going where my heart will take me I've got faith to believe and no one's gonna bend or break I can reach any star, cause I've got faith, cause I've got faith, faith of the heart
It's been a long road....
Approriate: 'Long road getting here'.. and was Rod singing about the Vulcans when he said 'theyre not gonna hold me down no more'? and the whole 'and I will see my dream come alive at last I will touch the sky' seemed to describe Archer's path to the ship. Plus they actually put all that 'wind' stuff in dialogue. Its so very appropriate for the first episode, but i think they could think about changing it later.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Lee: Surely Frasier is the suprmeme example of the short titles? (Which is interesting when compared to Cheers' titles. Sure Frasier are nice and "sophisticated", but a good theme tune can do wonders for a TV show. EVERYONE knows the Cheers theme.)
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Worst song ever.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
The uber-short titles phenomena has really only taken hold of half-hour sitcoms, though. It makes sense... when you're dealing with 21 minutes of programming, you don't want to waste a minute on credits. For a similar reason, an epilogue scene will usually be run under the closing credits.
However, I can't think of an hourlong drama with shortshort credits.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
"Law & Order." MASSIVE cut, almost in half from the original theme.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Grosse Pointe had really long credits. Maybe because the show is crap.
