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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Cinescape (extremely slow ASP server.. grab a cup of coffee first!) has got some new publicity shots out! Good quality pics of the crewmembers.
One thing that surprised me where the radiant blue eyes of Dr. Phlox. That tunes down his Neelix-ness just a bit, which is good.

The divisions seem to be roughly the same as TOS:
Gold for Command, Red (a bit more bordeaux-ish than in TOS and the 24th century series) for Operations and Blue for Science (and Medical, probably). Communications is part of the Science division, instead of Ops like in TOS.

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Oh, yes, and it seems like T'Pol is a bit underfed in her ridiculously tight uniform. Vulcans really shouldn't go down the sexy lane.

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Hey, there's at least a couple notably attractive female Vulcans from DS9, to say nothing of Dr. Selar (mrowrr!). I agree with you though, T'Pol's outfit shows a bit too much of Blalock's supermodel trim, which is a bit on the waify side.

Mark

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Same images at startrek.com

Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

I'm gonna have to say Linda Park is much more attractive than Jolene Blalock, who looks like nothing more than a Seven of Nine clone.

[ August 30, 2001: Message edited by: Hobbes ]

Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :

Dont get me wrong, Jolene Blalock in that Maxim shoot was beautiful. As a Vulcan, she's rather dull. Even in the tight suit.

Linda Park as Sato is fine. I agree with hobbes. She's the shows babe in my eyes.... i love those asians...

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Oh, so that's who Linda Park is.

Posted by Reginald Barclay (Member # 594) on :

IIRC, Park is a Korean surname. But being a common English word probably throws off a lot of Americans.

OTOH, what is it with TV producers and the letter X? "Hey, we have an alien, figure out some name with an X in it." Why not something like (okay, I'm dating myself here) DC Comics character J'onn J'onzz, pronounced John Jones? There's nothing wrong with an alien whose name sounds like perfectly normal English.

[ August 30, 2001: Message edited by: Reginald Barclay ]

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Other than it being incredibly silly.

Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :

Yo, drooling over beatiful woman is one thing, drooling over a woman because she dress like vulcan is.....rather questionable for my taste.

But that's my opinion anyway, and everyone deserve different opinions.

Posted by Reginald Barclay (Member # 594) on :

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Originally posted by Sol System:
Other than it being incredibly silly.

That sounds incredibly ethnocentric and narrow-minded. The Park example should have taught you that Americans don't have a monopoly on English-sounding names.

A sci-fi clich� is that some alien either has a simple name like Spock, Worf, Dax, Neelix, Kes or Phlox or has a long, unpronounceable name so some ostensibly American character comes up with an Americanized nickname. Like the ship nicknamed Max in "Flight of the Navigator."

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

So, not only should aliens talk like Americans, act like Americans, and look like Americans, but they should also have American names as well? Right.

Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

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Dont get me wrong, Jolene Blalock in that Maxim shoot was beautiful. As a Vulcan, she's rather dull. Even in the tight suit.

Yes, I agree. Contrary to what that dumbass Richard Arnold said, and also contary to Berman's response to Arnold, there's still no way around it: T'Pol is a 7 of 9 clone. However, it just doesn't work with Blalock. In that "Vulcan military uniform" as Berman calls it, her body has about as much sultryness as Ally McBeal's. I hope that after a few episodes, TPTB change their minds about catsuits.

Granted, I haven't seen any episodes yet, so I don't know how Blalock will actually turn out on screen. But if the pics are any indication, the Vulcan High Command should take a lesson from the Earth Starfleet: Baggy is good.

Posted by Reginald Barclay (Member # 594) on :

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Originally posted by Vogon Poet:
So, not only should aliens talk like Americans, act like Americans, and look like Americans, but they should also have American names as well? Right.

I bet Linda Park has received lots of unwelcome comments from narrowminded people with this attitude. "Gee, you don't look like a Park. You look like a Chan or a Mitsubishi or something. Everyone knows Park is a name for white people, like Bert Parks." It's like saying an ET can't be named Jimm because he's not American. It might be a perfectly good name in his language, but it roils your ethnocentric sensitivities.

Let's kill two birds with one stone. Bring in Alan Rickman as Dr. Lazarus. He doesn't act or talk like an American and he has a real name, not something artificially alien like Splox or Feklar.

Posted by DeadCujo (Member # 13) on :

Wow, T'Pol looks so awkward in that uniform. It's as if she has some disability that dislocates her hips or something. Maybe it's just the third picture in the gallery, I haven't even looked at the rest yet. But it looks weird.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

What in God's name are you people jibbering about? I think that the Martian Manhunter's name is incredibly silly. Therefore I hate asian people? Oh, that makes perfect sense. Brilliant deductive reasoning there, Mr. Holmes. If there were only a Nobel available for cunning bulletin board posts. Perhaps we could work something out with the MacArthur Foundation.

Posted by Eclipse (Member # 472) on :

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Originally posted by Reginald Barclay:
Let's kill two birds with one stone. Bring in Alan Rickman as Dr. Lazarus.

YES!

Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :

I hope you guys know that immigrants to the US were often given new last names to make them 'fit in' to the country more.

Park is a very common Korean last name. So is Lee and Kim, that’s not a stereotype, hell, one with the last name of Lee. Its just the way it is.

more info can be found here:
http://soback.kornet.nm.kr/~pixeline/heeyun/korea/name.html

Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :

.. and I still say Linda Park is a babe.

Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

.. and I still say there's an edit feature you can use instead of making a new post.

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

wasn't alien names sounding like english words & vis versa used in Alien Nation? I seam to recall an alien called George Francisco and a human named Mathew Sikes...which sounds alot like exciment crainium in the newcomer language.

Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :

IIRC There was a "Sam Francisco" in Alien Nation. I thought that was pretty great, really. Kind of underlines the difference in culture. Ford Prefect, anyone?

I'm just glad they didn't go with T'PamelaAnderson. THAT would have been embarassing...

[ September 01, 2001: Message edited by: Balaam Xumucane ]

Posted by Reginald Barclay (Member # 594) on :

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Originally posted by Sol System:
What in God's name are you people jibbering about? I think that the Martian Manhunter's name is incredibly silly. Therefore I hate asian people? Oh, that makes perfect sense. Brilliant deductive reasoning there, Mr. Holmes. If there were only a Nobel available for cunning bulletin board posts. Perhaps we could work something out with the MacArthur Foundation.

On the contrary, Watson! In case you hadn't noticed, that was in reply to someone else's message. How could I be referring to you given this circumstance? Don't bother applying to Mensa.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"Kind of underlines the difference in culture. Ford Prefect, anyone?"

Um... You do know that wasn't supposed to actually be his name, right?

Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :

I don't remember exactly, but wasn't that supposed to be a name he took to blend in. Something that wouldn't stand out...

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

But I have waited all my life to join Mensa! I even have the sappho-stained lips! And anyway, it's a strange sort of reply that quotes something when it isn't responding to it.

Anyway, Ford chose his name in order to fit in with what he thought were the dominant lifeforms on the planet.

And I'm no Alien Nation expert, but didn't they all choose new names upon landing, leading to lots of, uh, Newcomers, wasn't it? - with names like John Sacremento and Abraham Lincoln and so on.

Posted by Reginald Barclay (Member # 594) on :

Your self-absorption is truly astounding if you can't see the relevance of that reply to Vogon Poet's message. Or to quote Alex Dane: "Oh right, it's always about you, isn't it?!?"

All I want to see someday is a scene like this:

Alien: Pleased to meet you. My name is Fred Smith. Is something wrong?
Human: It's just that you don't look like a Fred Smith.
Alien: It's a very common name on my planet. It means "she who walks with grace." What do you expect Fred Smith to look like?

Or if you absolutely need it to be non-American, it could be named Lee, Tchaikovsky or Sivaramakrishnan. Anything to break the stereotype that alien languages can't possibly produce a name that sounds human.

[ September 03, 2001: Message edited by: Reginald Barclay ]

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Are we still being bombastic? I lost track.

Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :

Does anyone remember that DS9 episode with that Maquis member Vulcan woman that Quark was trying to sell weapons to? I think her outfit would be more suited for T'Pol than what she is wearing right now.

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Soleta. Yummy, she was. And she later played the ex-Borg from Excalibur on VGR.

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Sakonna, IIRC. A rogue Vulcan, or something.

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Sakonna, right. Soleta was someone else.

Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Soleta was the Vulcan science officer on New Frontier, no?

Mark

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

So, what's being said here is that they should start naming aliens w/ human names, like, for example, "Spock", or "Lon", or "Dax", and stop giving them non-human sounding names like "Berlinghoff Rasmussen", "Devinoni Ral", or "Kodos".

Oh. Wait.

Posted by Mr. Christopher (Member # 71) on :

What do you mean was, Mark?

Posted by Reginald Barclay (Member # 594) on :

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Originally posted by TSN:
So, what's being said here is that they should start naming aliens w/ human names, like, for example, "Spock", or "Lon", or "Dax", and stop giving them non-human sounding names like "Berlinghoff Rasmussen", "Devinoni Ral", or "Kodos".

You betray your ignorance. Berlinghoff, Rasmussen and Kodos are, in fact, existing names.

But I give up. I'm obviously in a group of closed-minded individuals here. If you like the status quo so much with names like Phlox, Xon, Neelix and Lwaxana, you deserve what you'll probably be getting from B&B. Just don't even think about complaining about their lack of originality in a few months.

Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :

Reg,

Chill. I really want to shove your arrogant self through a window.

Why can't people just WAIT until Enterprise comes out before they start bitching and ripping out their hair? Still, combared to Crobato ("bend over and shove it up yer' ass!"), you're a regular Saint Benjamin (whoever he was).

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

The patron saint of shrimp fishermen.

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

I think I'd like the following scene:

Archer steps out of the shuttle, looks around. "Hello, I'm captain Jonathan Archer of the Enterprise, and this is my CMO, Dr Phlox." Behind, him, the doctor coughes politely and says "Actually, it's Dr Phlox." Archer: "Yes, um, right."

The natives begin discussing with the landing party, and over and over again Archer keeps saying "Dr Phlox" and the natives wonder "Don't you mean Dr Phlox?" "Is 'Phlox' some sort of an affectionate nickname for 'Phlox'?" "You really mean you can't tell the difference between 'Phlox' and 'Phlox'?" "Is it 'Phlox', as in 'grebiniphlox' or 'Phlox' as in 'aminiphlox'?" "Oh, for pmoxssakes, a long or a short 'Phl'?!"

"Uh, Doctor, how to put this politely...? Is your captain perhaps a bit, um, you know, challenged?"

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

"Or if you absolutely need it to be non-American, it could be named Lee, Tchaikovsky or Sivaramakrishnan. Anything to break the stereotype that alien languages can't possibly produce a name that sounds human."

There are plenty of Star Trek alien names that sound human. "Lwaxana" and "Deanna" sound pretty human, but not culture specific. "Worf" sounds like the English word "Wharf". "Kira" is an already existing name.

They're all fine. But J'onn J'onzz? An alien name that just happens to sound like the most common surname in English, and one of the most common first names? Yes. Do you want a security chief called "Keef S'mif".

And in any case, using comics as an example of good names is like using Sol as an example of a typical aboriginal Autralian.

Posted by Reginald Barclay (Member # 594) on :

I never said it was a good example, just the only example available, which shows how rare it is. Things like Worf sounding like wharf don't count, either. Never heard of anybody named wharf. Or Quark or Rom. Deanna is a real name but doesn't count because she was probably named by her human father.

It seems useless to engage in introducing new ideas here. People would rather demonstrate their wit. I suggest breaking out of the X clich� just once and all of a sudden I'm sarcastically accused of wanting every alien to have not just a human name but an American name. Instead of debating the idea as a whole, they just lock onto a single point: "J'onn J'onzz" is stupid.

Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :

Well, many's the time I've seen him silhouetted atop Ayers Rock, his didgeridoo before him - oh, wait, that's not a didgeridoo, it's his. . .

Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

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It seems useless to engage in introducing new ideas here.

So, you're basing this assumption on the ONE topic in this forum in which the people here don't agree with you? Look, there are tons of topics here, and plenty of people interested in hearing new ideas. But you're just going to have to get used to the fact that not everyone will always agree with you. Example: In my personal opinion I believe that there were two U.S.S. Melbournes at Wolf 359, the Nebula version and the Excelsior, simply because I saw them both on screen. A lot of people here disagree with me, but I'm not losing any sleep over it, or thinking that these people have narrow minds just because they don't see things my way.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

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it's his. . .

...life size paper mache sculpture of Charlemagne. As for why I was atop Uluru clutching such a sculpture, it turns out that the Australian phrase for "Do you have anything to declare?" sounds remarkably like the American phrase "If you go stand on top of that great big rock in the center of the continent and hold up a life size paper mache sculpture of the medieval nobleman of your choice, we will lavish you with cash prizes and the company of many beautiful women." Languages are funny that way.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

"I never said it was a good example, just the only example available, which shows how rare it is. Things like Worf sounding like wharf don't count, either. Never heard of anybody named wharf. Or Quark or Rom. Deanna is a real name but doesn't count because she was probably named by her human father."

And Kira? Ro?

And I'm sure I've heard "Garak" outside of a sci-fi area too.

Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :

"Vulcan" is a real place in either Eastern Europe or Western Asia, I believe. And of course, the again mentioned baby doc "Spock..."

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Uh, it's also a town in Canada.

It's also something else...I think I learned about it in school once...gosh, it's on the tip of my tongue...

Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :

In Roman mythology, the god of fire and metalworking was named Vulcan. It's also a city in Missouri (or Montana, the state code was MO) and in Mississippi. There's also vulcanology (also known as volcanology) which is the study of volcanoes and volcanic stuff.

Considering the nature of the Vulcans in Star Trek, this is a very appropriate connection.

[ September 05, 2001: Message edited by: Siegfried ]

Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :

Lest we not forget the ever-so PC Black Vulcan from TV's SuperFriends.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

MO == Missouri

Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :

Berlinghoff is a German name. Berlinghoff Rasmussen was a human (from Archer's era, no less.. maybe they should find his pod, it returned to the 22nd century empty. Reed might make a time-bomb out of it. That was a pun.)

The producers of Star Trek Voyager must have been shocked, because i remember their press release saying Tuvok would be the first 'Black Vulcan', even though 'Black Vulcan' has been superheroing for two decades. Argh, thats an awful joke.

Kodos is a Rigellian name, as is Kang. But Rigelian is coincidentally, the same language as English, so maybe they are American.

The novels have some tremendously varied human names in them recently, I've been rather enjoying all of the different ways theyve been making their humans more memorable. The new Gateways books have lots of good ethnicities built into them to avoid this whitebread bullsh*t you guys are talking about, and even some good old science fiction tricks of giving characters names that seem out of place but not, like Dr. Jain Suni in "Cloak".. see, take Jane, but spell it Jain. Just like Gim Allon in Legion of Super-Heroes. If theyd called him Jim Allen, that would have been boring. Some good interesting characters from new books like Gage Darres, Bendes Kettaract, Ranjit Srivastava, Elias Vaughn, Zane Bonifay, Savannah Ring.
Good stuff

[ September 06, 2001: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]

Posted by Mr. Christopher (Member # 71) on :

Elias Vaughn is a really really cool guy.

Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :

off-thread, i have read parts 2 and 4 of Gateways so far, 'Chainmail' and 'Demons of Air and Darkness' and I'm just starting 'Doors Into Chaos'.. Is there any story of the Iconian gateway Vaughn found on Alexandra's Planet?, or is that just reference-dropping so far.. seems like it could be important
Yeah Vaughn is awesome... I like how in The Section 31 crossover he reveals that 31 was responsible for the holoship and Daugherty's mission in 'Insurrection' A little salvation for an awful movie..

Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :

Oh thank God there's at least some kind of explaination to that.

Posted by Mr. Christopher (Member # 71) on :

AAH!!! I've only read the first two books! Now you went and spoiled it for me!

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

"Bendes Kettaract."

Funniest name ever.

Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :

Has anyone seen the billboards around Los Angeles that feature the entire Enterprise crew with their copper space suits on? I thought that it looked very interesting.

Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :

the last name was from Voyager even.... but 'Bendes' if he werent an egomaniac intent on letting the Federation take over the galaxy, I'd call him 'bendy' for short

I must apologize if that was a spoiler.APOLOGIZING FOR SPOILER of 'Gateways'
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i dont know if this spoils more

I'm not sure what you are referring to.. If its the series mentioning the holoship connection, its an extremely minor plot point.

If its about the Elias-Vaughn secret mission, ive finished the books and no-one mentions it at all, it was just a bit of name dropping in the setup sequence unless its coming later.

[ September 10, 2001: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]