[Edit: I can count now ] Welcome Ladies and Gentlemen, to our weejky "What happened to the aliens?" Challenge!
The contestants this week are the Suliban and the upcoming Xyrillians (sp?).
There are four possible anwers:
A) The respective aliens were conquered/enslaved/murdered by one of the known aggresors (Klingons, Romulans, Tholians, Gorn) B) The aliens changed their minds and enden up being members of the Federation C) Nothing happened to them, and they were simply not heard from again. D) Other....
[ October 16, 2001: Message edited by: Harry ]
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Ooh.. the Suliban might have been conquered by the Klingons.. then, through interbreeding, certain populations of Klingons gained the Suliban ability to change appearance through genetic alteration. As late as the 2260s, some 10% of the Klingon population has the limited ability to change their appearance, such as smoothing out their foreheads at will and then reverting back to normal for their later appearances. Of course the genes die out soon later as no new suliban genetic material is added to the Klingon genome
Posted by Mr. Christopher (Member # 71) on :
You say there are four possible answers, yet you give only three...
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
You are saying you didn't *know* I can't count? Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
You are saying you didn't *know* I can't count? Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
You are saying you didn't *know* I can't count? Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
No, but we ARE saying you like to repeat yourself. No, but we ARE saying you like to repeat yourself. No, but we ARE saying you like to repeat yourself.
Perhaps you're stuck in some sort of causality loop...causality loop...causality loop...causality loop...causality loop...causality loop...
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I'm not stuck in a causality loop. We just left Starbase 12 three weeks ago. Weve been crossing the Typhon expanse since then. By the way, I wrote a nice theory on the Klingons up there.
I'm not stuck in a causality loop. We just left Starbase 12 three weeks ago. Weve been crossing the Typhon expanse since then. By the way, oh, hm thats odd i got the wierdest sense of deja vu.
I'm not stuck in a causality loop. We just left Starbase 12 three weeks ago. Weve been crossing the Typhon expanse since then. Didnt i already say about the Klingons?
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Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
ROFL
Maybe the Tribbles got them...
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I'll throw some spoiler warnings here just in case.
$ $ $
I'd be willing to bet that the Suliban are still in existence by the 24th century. The genetically endowed Suliban probably meet their end during Enterprise or sometime immediately thereafter, but the peaceful population of the Suliban that Sarin mentioned in "Broken Bow" would likely still be around. I don't know if they'd be a member of the Federation or a small independent sovereignty, though.
Considering that the size of the Federation in TOS was around 80 members (and that grew to 150 by the 24th century), I'm not surprised that some species are seem once or a few times in one series and then never seen again. Tellarites never made an appearance outside of TOS and the TOS movies (although the homeworld Tellar made one mention in DS9). The Andorians fared better as we saw a couple background Andorians in TNG (Lal considered an Andorian guise in "Offspring" and one was on Risa in "Captain's Holiday") as well as a mention of the homeworld Andor in DS9. Also consider that the Axanar had a couple mentions in TOS and then nothing in the 24th century (although I may be wrong on this point).
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
And let me whip out my favorites: the Organians. A major race that held the Klingons and Federation at bay, and could disable weapons from light-years away. We never heard about them again. Not hearing about the piss-ant Suliban is hardly a big deal.
There are thousands of species in local space. We've seen a couple hundred throughout Star Trek. It shouldn't come as a shock to anyone that there are many more -- potentially thousands -- we haven't seen at all. Nothing has to "happen" to them. Do you really think that the characters of the original series, The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager took the time to mention every species previously known to humanity for our cataloguing benefit? Isn't it conceivable that the Suliban, Xryllians, and all of the other races Enterprise will show simply never came up in conversation during the couple hundred hours of these people's lives that we see on screen?
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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Another note on ENT aliens (a note not worthy of it's own thread, so I thought I'd drop it in here)
Remember the small fat Rigelian from "Broken Bow"? Is it me or does this guy looks a lot like the Rigelians from TMP? (http://eas2.mytoday.de/artoftrek/rigellian.jpg) These guys were described as 'sabre-toothed turtles'. The Rigelian from BB could've been an updated version of this turtle-race? What do you think?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
There's no evidence that we saw any Rigellians in "Broken Bow"...
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Ehm.. they went to Rigel X, they uploaded the Rigelian language to their UT devices, and then they could talk to Mr. Fat Alien...right!?
Or did I miss something?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
We could infer that since they were on a Rigel planet, programmed to speak Rigellian that the person in the bar was Rigellian.
TSN is pointing out that its also possible he wasnt Rigellian, a valid point given that there were many other species there too.
However, if we think he looks like the Rigellians from the background of the movie, then we could consider him more definitely to be Rigelian.. im going to have to look into that one, bacause i dont remember what they look like.. pics of TMP and Broken Bow anyone?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I don't really recall what the guy in BB looked like, but I don't recall that he looked like a turtle. And the Rigellians from TMP definitely looked like turtles.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Rigellians supposed to resemble the Vulcans more than a "saber-toothed turtle?" I thought that "Journey to Babel" and "Inter Arma Silen Leges" established the Vulcans, Romulans, and Rigellians to all have a similar physiology?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
At last count there are several inhabited planets in the Rigel system, and more than one has an indigenous population. One is related to Vulcans.. i believe the correlation noted is that they have copper based blood, and can share blood tranfusions/drugs with Vulcans under certain conditions. Doesnt mean they have to look like Vulcans. Just like Dopterains are related to Ferengi by the nature of their four lobed brain, but they only share a few external feature due to the fact that they were transplanted or otherwise diverged from Ferengi evolution long ago. The turtles from TMP are definitely specified as Rigelians, but may or may not be the Rigelians referred to in TOS.. remember that Hengist fom 'Wolf in the Fold' was Rigelian too, but may have been a human colonist of Rigelian birth. Or he could have been a humanoid and had green blood. and the Kaylar from 'The Cage' was Rigelian of a different planet..
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I don't know what was in IAESL, but "Journey to Babel" established at least that Vulcans and Rigellians have similar blood, I think.
Bear in mind, of course, that not even the turtles are canonically Rigellians. That's just what the makeup people said they were.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Rigelians / Rigellians:
1)Kaylar's people ("The Cage"). Rigel VII 2)Sabre-toothed turtles (TMP). 3)Vulcanoids (IASL, "Journey.."). Rigel V 4)"Broken Bow" Rigelian dancing girls (according 5)to script, IIRC). Rigel X 6)"Broken Bow" Little man. Rigel X
Wow...
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Hmm... Yeah, I remember that list of four-lobed brained species that the Betazoids couldn't read. I don't see issues with completely different species sharing a similar brain structure. But with the correlation between Vulcans and Rigellians, they use the same copper-based blood and both their bodies have the same reaction to a specific type of medication and medical condition. That, in my mind, points to a similar physiological structure than three species with the same brain construction. Of course, my grasp on the medical sciences is not all that firm. Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: ...Of course, my grasp on the medical sciences is not all that firm.
And neither is that of the staff who write these shows.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
The fact that Dopterians were specifically related to the Ferengi was the plot point which allowed Odo to catch the pickpocket.. It was established that the races were offshoots of each other, not just similarly evolved. I think the (vulcanoid) Rigellians could look quite different from Vulcans but still fulfill the qualities spelled out by 'Journey to Babel' and 'IAESL'
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
In my head, the vulcanoid Rigel(l)ians are shiny blue-skinned Vulcans .
I assume these Rigelians are either an old colony of the Vulcans (remember Spock calling it the "Rigel colonies", but also remember T'Pol's silence regarding Rigel). Or the vulcanoid Rigelians are another decendant of Sargon's people.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
You know, there was that pointy-eared bald guy in ST4 working at Command...
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
