Was I the only one out there in TV land who felt that the story arc they were establishing in "The Expanse" for Season 3 of "Enterprise" resembled the "Quest for Iscandar" (Season 1) story arc of "Star Blazers"?
Attacked by an alien-race called the Gamilons (Xindi), the Starforce (Starfleet) refits the WW II battleship Yamato/Argo (Starship Enterprise) for a journey across space to save the planet Earth from destruction by locating the planet Iscandar(Xindi homeworld) to obtain the Cosmo DNA. During their journey, our heroes are pursued by the evil Gamilons (Kligons), led by their sinister leader Dessler/Desslok (Durass), who intends to destroy our heroes and make them fail in their quest.
I guess if one of the marines aboard the NX-01 is a Sgt. named Knox, who was introduced in the "Comet Empire" story arc, we will have the answer to this question.
"Lt. Reed fire the wave motion gun! Er, photon cannon"
I really hope that I am proved wrong, but the early indications, IMHO, of the "retooling" of "Enterprise" involve ideas, situations, and story arcs ripped off from "Voyager" and "Star Blazers."
BERMAN/BRAGA: What's your problem. Great artists steal.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Uh...no. In SB, Earth was a devastated ruin and needed he Cosmo DNA to survive and was trying to reach a mysterious ally while their sole enemy tried to destroy them. They also had alien tech in the form of the Wave Motion Gun given to them in advance to help them. StarBlazers carried a lot of "restored honor" substory that was no doubt big in Japan nad they even based their ship directly on the Imperial Navy's largest battleship.
Enterprise is a lot diffrent in both plot and premise. Earth is not a ruin, nor is finding the Xindi homeworld the only hope to save mankind: I'm sure STarfleet is converting every ship possible to intercept any intruder to Earh's solar system: just look how they jacked Duras.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
They sent a WW2 ocean-going battleship into space? The hell? Isn't that like refitting the Wright brothers' flyer so it can be a submarine?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Not just that, but the ship based on it's WWII ancestor had a squadron of fighters, missiles, and a super cannon that took up the front third of the ship all by itself. Where any crew lived or how they carried fighters is waaay beyond me.
Cgeck out the starship scale webpage to compare the Yamato with the Star Wars fighters (even the A-Wing) and you'll see the impossibility of it. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, it is Anime. Not a genre particularly known for adherence to reality...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Though, CRAZY NITPICK AHEAD, I'm not sure genre is the right word for anime. Detective stories are a genre. Animation is a...well, medium, let's say.
When I procrastinate real work I get pedantic. Please excuse me.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Anime is not, no. But Giant space battleships were: look at capt. Harlock and Macross as exapmles.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: They sent a WW2 ocean-going battleship into space? The hell? Isn't that like refitting the Wright brothers' flyer so it can be a submarine?
The Wright brother's flyer isn't sitting at the bottom of the Pacific in no less than three pieces. The Musashi is a better candidate for being turned into a space battleship, or the Bismark, or the Arizona.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Okay, fine. It's like refitting the plane from the TWA flight-800 crash to be a submarine. Better?
And I kow Anime isn't strictly a genre. But most of it tends to have elements in common which set it off from everything else, so I think we can safely categorize it as something. "Genre" was just the best word I could come up with after a half-second of thinking at the time.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Yeah, isn't it annoying when other people nixpick every thing you say?
Technically (I suppose), anime can be as realistic or unrealistic as anything else. After all, despite what some terribly dull people say, all anime means is "animated manga", and all manga is is a style of drawing. You can have detective story anime, or horror anime. It's just an alternative way of telling a story. It can be anything.
As long as it has girls with strangely coloured hair wearing highly impractical clothing.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Technically, it could be realistic, yes. But it never is. That was my point.
"Almost never", I should say. I don't normally watch it, so there could be some out there that would refute my statement, were it absolute.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Ah... Great Teacher Onizuka... that brings back memories...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: "Almost never", I should say. I don't normally watch it, so there could be some out there that would refute my statement, were it absolute.
You could try watching "Perfect Blue". It's suppossed to be brilliant, and I think it's quite realistic.
Er, if you want. You don't have to. You could just carry on eating your way to a blubbery death.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Watch Blood: The Last Vampire for amazing and realistic anime. Despite the dippy title, it's an excellent film with a realy good story and it's not "dumbed down" in any way.
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
Thanks for that last tip jason, I hadn't heard of that anime.
I STILL say the Nimitz could be put in orbit.... You'll really know it's a ripoff of Starblazers when you see that stupid robot, IQ-9.
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I'm sure STarfleet is converting every ship possible to intercept any intruder to Earh's solar system: just look how they jacked Duras.
Maybe this might explain the Romulan War!?! Earth is starting a military build up... Romulans feel threatend?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
It seems more than a little premature to start trying to figure out what (if any) grand storytelling plan is at work here, but consider: Earth is now furiously preparing for an attack on Earth itself coming from the direction of the Delphic Expanse. Fair enough. But what happens if all this preparation in one direction leaves Earth (and especially her colonies, from which ships will presumably be diverted, because we know what the Xindi target is) unprepared for an attack from another direction?
Now, considering what's been said in various interviews, it's probably a little unlikely that all this is intended to be someone's attempt to change the outcome of the Human/Romulan war. But it does seem, to me anyway, to be just as possible a storyline as any other, at the moment.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Or the Earth/Romulan War could very well be the product of or resolution to the Temporal Cold War....that is if they really wanna be slick about tie-ing up the series in the end with all that we have seen thus far and all that we know is yet to come.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Watch Blood: The Last Vampire for amazing and realistic anime.
Doubtlessly a docudrama about Vlad the Impaler and his battle with porphyria.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Interesting in that I think Future Guy might be Romulan. We never really see him of course - but he does refer to "the humans" as if not being one himself. He might be disgruntled at the result of the Earth/Romulan war which helped (presumably) to form the United Federation of Planets... AND he didn't want to involve the huumans... yet - and the whole situation in Broken Bow was in reguard to Klingons. So maybe he's also trying to do away with the Klingon Empire too!?!
His sillouhette DOES look vaguely Romulan... high shoulders - rounded head (hair) etc.
Andrew
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Interesting in that I think Future Guy might be Romulan. We never really see him of course - but he does refer to "the humans" as if not being one himself. He might be disgruntled at the result of the Earth/Romulan war which helped (presumably) to form the United Federation of Planets... AND he didn't want to involve the huumans... yet - and the whole situation in Broken Bow was in reguard to Klingons. So maybe he's also trying to do away with the Klingon Empire too!?!
His sillouhette DOES look vaguely Romulan... high shoulders - rounded head (hair) etc.
Andrew
I hope you are kidding...that is such a fanboy response if I have ever seen one!!!!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Why would that be a "Fanboy" response? It sure beats the fuck out of it being any of the Vulcans.
I personally would hope for a Cardassian to be Future Guy: They lost the most of the major Alpha powers due to the Federation, Romulans and Klingons. Why not bone all three at the same time? Total Obsidian Order.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Futurama Guy - reading through posts tonight I've noticed some hostility from you towards me... what have I done?
That is not a FANBOY response - that is extrapolating/summising a possible plot even taking previously seen footage/heard dialogue.
A fan boy response would be...
OMG The romulans should uncloak over earth and there should be like 50,000 ships all attacking each other and there should be just ships of all sorts and then income the Vulcans!!!!!11 and the Tellarites and then along come the Gorn and blast the crap out of everyone and the effects would be amazing and then the Borg reach Earth but are beaten back and the Enterprise E appears out of a temporal vortex and everything is returned to normal and we see the ring ship Enterprise entering the orbit of Andoria!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Good ole sarcasm, my friend....just when you thought you heard it all....BAM!...you cold-cock us out of nowhere with some wild ideas... Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
Just, for God's sake, HOPE that B&B arn't reading this...
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
They wouldn't be so lucky...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
lol - why thankee kind sir! LOL! Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Thanks to SECRET INFORMATION SOURCES I think I can say with some degree of confidence that Future Guy is not Cardassian.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
You have SECRET INFORMATION SOURCES now? Are they pretty?
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Simon hasn't been this far on the inside since he read a post by Chris Claremont on an X-Men newsgroup six years ago.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The term is "balls deep".
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Chris Claremont, no, but I did trade e-mails with Jim Kelly once, and he had a good (but short) run on X-Men about that long ago. Or maybe it is more like four. I don't know.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
NOT SO FAR OFF!
I should probably apply for The Simon Historian position, should it become available.
Did you finish the Elephant story? I think so. It will be the opening to your biography The Life of Simon Sizer: Hegel and Elephants and Probably Some Other Stuff. Maybe. Wheat or Pigs or something.
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