The casting has me a bit excited. A little more sausage-heavy than I would have guessed, but oh well. It would appear that General Casey picked his "best team" of commandoes out of the failed sci-fi series aisle at Liquidation World.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
They're still around? No?
The one with Burt Reynolds playing with the online games and invents TEH NEW ACRANYAM!?!
B G M O! Or something similar.
I remember it because it was not quite an acronym.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Could be. I watch less Price is Right these days, see, so my exposure to r0xx0r commercials is at a low ebb.
Anyway, the return of the frizzy-haired seaQuest dude! Excitement!
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Hmm, more men for Hoshi to date perhaps... or for Mayweather to explore the other side.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
quote: "but the most fun for them came in some exotic designs for the titular creatures."
....that can't be a real word.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Of course it is.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I predict controversy on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by David Templar:
quote: "but the most fun for them came in some exotic designs for the titular creatures."
....that can't be a real word.
Sure its a word...titular, as in: "Dude, there are sure a lot of titular babes on the beach today!"
Unfortunately the real meaning of the word is "existing in title only"...kind of like our current President. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge: Hmm, more men for Hoshi to date perhaps... or for Mayweather to explore the other side.
You mean Trip. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Daniel Dae Kim - so The Beast definately killed him on Angel!?! He was so good on there. He was actually only one of the good things about Crusade.
Corporal Chang? Any relation to General Chang? Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Enterprise: SG1? As long as they don't sport machine guns or phaser rifles or wear camo, I'll survive.
Good things: Real aliens! Inscectoids! Water breathers!
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Ooh, Daniel Dae Kim. . . He was one of the few good things about Crusade; and I liked theat Voyager ep he was in. He's also been in 24 as well.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I remember Daniel Dae Kim debrifing Sara Wynter's character after being part of her rescue in 24...
And even though Trip seems to be carrying a Sovereign Class warp core in his underwear, why can't Mayweather cause some waves. He's not doing much last time I saw him other than utter a word or two and hold onto the joysticks on the bridge.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge: I remember Daniel Dae Kim debrifing Sara Wynter's character after being part of her rescue in 24...
And even though Trip seems to be carrying a Sovereign Class warp core in his underwear,
Hey I'm not gay... "NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT!" But - I'm glad someone else noticed Trips... equipment. LOL! I suppose if they have T'Pol... Although both can't be in a cold enviornment together - cause both will get opposite effects Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Hey I'm not gay... "NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT!" But - I'm glad someone else noticed Trips... equipment. LOL! I suppose if they have T'Pol... Although both can't be in a cold enviornment together - cause both will get opposite effects
Well now, I'm glad we have established that... Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
Are the Military Assault Command Operations team the first canon evidence that Starfleet has an organization like the Marine Corps? I know that the idea of a Starfleet Marine Corps has been rejected by many on the grounds that Starfleet would not maintain a distinctly militaristic organization of dedicated soldiers, expecially those who would be intended as ground troops. Does the existence of the MACOs preclude the existence of a Starfleet Marine Corps or support it? I would speculate that with a different rank and ratings structure, the Military Assault Command Operations team is a separate service from Starfleet.
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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:I would speculate that with a different rank and ratings structure, the Military Assault Command Operations team is a separate service from Starfleet.
Why? The USMC has a different rank/rating structure but is a part of the USN.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
It's separate, yes. In fact, I'd suggest that TPTB wouldn't have put commandoes onboard unless they were going to be separate service, as it appears to be Enterprise's turn to try out the trademark post-1993 Trek structure of "two groups onboard one starship/space station/windsurfer that don't like one another." Here's hoping it outlasts the Starfleet-Maquis thing, not to mention the fan-favourite multi-episode arc in which the Equinox crew attempted to fit in with the rest of Voyager's crew.
Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
Snay is it possible that there is a Department of Starfleet Military Assault Command that is the Federation equivalent of the marines? Or would the name Military Assualt Command not appear in the name of the service? Like Millitary Airlift Command is part of the US Air Force?
Can those who are professional warrior and armchair warrior help me out here with your comments? I know enough about the navy, marines, and air force that its likely I will put my foot in my mouth.
But does anyone out there think that this is the smoking gun some have been looking for the canon acknowledgement of the existence of the Starfleet Marines? I know that some people have mentioned "Yesterday's Enterprise" as evidence, but these people have been shot down by others saying that the story happened in an alternate timeline.
More comments?
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
quote:Originally posted by Triton: Are the Military Assault Command Operations team the first canon evidence that Starfleet has an organization like the Marine Corps? I know that the idea of a Starfleet Marine Corps has been rejected by many on the grounds that Starfleet would not maintain a distinctly militaristic organization of dedicated soldiers, expecially those who would be intended as ground troops. Does the existence of the MACOs preclude the existence of a Starfleet Marine Corps or support it? I would speculate that with a different rank and ratings structure, the Military Assault Command Operations team is a separate service from Starfleet.
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I think it's more a "pre-Security". After all, unless I'm mistaken, Reed and his guys are only considered tactical officers and there's no real "security" ever been identified. These guys obviously aren't StarFleet, but will eventually be absorbed into SF to form that "combined service" that Kirk mentioned several times in TOS. At least, that's my thinking.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
wrong post
Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
Jeffrey, I have always thought of Security as more related to the idea of Shore Patrol or Military Police than an infantry-like or trooper-like fighting force.
Plus, I also imagine that the Federation has an elite fighting force of commandos like the SAS/SBS in the UK and the the Navy SeALs/Army Delta Force in the US, plus the other dozen or so elite fighting forces around the world.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
That's "SEALS." SEa, Air Land, Space. Seriously, no joke.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I don't have a problem with Tactical and Security duties being handled by separate departments, shipboard, at this stage of history. After all, in TOS all ship-based weapons were generally operated by the helmsman (and by the navigator in the movies), and of course the main phaser control in "Balance of Terror." All of whom were generallky goldshirts, ie Command. While in "Devil in the Dark" we saw the Security teams, all redshirts, and commanded by Lt. Cdr. Giotto, also in Engineering/Ops colours. But by the movie era, maybe they're being combined - Chekov is tactical officer, and he's the one who calls off the security guards who rush to the kitchen in TUC.
I like this theory, but it's of a bugger that Reed & co's divisional colour is red, though. . .
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:Snay is it possible that there is a Department of Starfleet Military Assault Command that is the Federation equivalent of the marines? Or would the name Military Assualt Command not appear in the name of the service? Like Millitary Airlift Command is part of the US Air Force?
Oh, I agree with you that there is a Federation army of some sort, most likely in the form of a Marine Corps, but I believe that it would be organized under Starfleet, in the same way that the USMC and the USN are organized in the Dept. of the Navy. My confusion stems from why this "Maco" might be a seperate entity from the Starfleet: certainly at this stage -- even if you go for Gene's "no military" beliefs -- it seems most likely that "Starfleet" has descended from some sort of NATO/UN military force, and so the probabilities of a seperate land-based fighting force seems implausible.
I'm tired. If you don't understand what I tried to say, I'll try to say it again tomorrow Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: I predict controversy on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated.
There's controversy there everytime someone stands in a strong light source on a TV program. Or when a show is made that has a bigger budget than B5, WHICH MAKES JMS ANNOYED!
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Daniel Dae Kim - so The Beast definately killed him on Angel!?!
I have no idea what you are talking about, but it might be a spoiler of some kind.
Now, granted, I am two seasons behind on Angel, but still, grr.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: After all, in TOS all ship-based weapons were generally operated by the helmsman (and by the navigator in the movies), and of course the main phaser control in "Balance of Terror."
Except, well, no, because as you point out Chekov was tactical officer (and Chief of Security, I believe). And for the rest of the movies, his job was a crazy mess. I mean, Sulu was obviously stearing the Enterprise/Bird of Prey in the movies, but what did Chekov actually do? Apart from not know simple phaser alarm security rules? And occasionally saying brilliant lines like "Guess whose coming to dinner?"
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
He also got to say cheesy lines like "...only the size of my head."
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
TMP: Chekov is Tactical Officer, and the job is clearly distinct from Navigator (who continues to sit at the front two consoles with the helmsman); Tactical has one of the seats on the circle.
TWOK: Do we see who fires the phasers? Saavik sits out front and she's meant to be the Navigator, I believe. Where does Chekov go sit when he lets himself out of sickbay and reports to the Bridge?
TSFS: It's back to the old team of Sulu & Chekov out front; I don't think it's made clear whether Chekov is there as Navigator, or who does the weapons-firing.
TVH: Not really relevant, except at the end where again it's Sulu & Chekov out front on the E-A.
TFF: Still Sulu & Chekov, don't know who fires phasers.
TUC: Is Chekov ever explicitly stated to be the Navigator or Tactical officer? I think at this point the role of the Navigator is becoming diminished and absorbed into the Conn role. . .
G: However, on the E-B you have definite Conn and Nav positions out front.
Can anyone clear up any of the above? Not sure what my point it yet, I'm just thinking aloud.
Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
the production material surrounding ST:TMP established that Chekov had changed his specialty to security, and that the security chief acted as the tactical/weapons officer on the bridge. His station was the furthest forward on the port side, and was the only wall station involved in an outcropping, so that it would allow the man to sit facing the viewer and his controls (and also hid his screen from anybody on the main viewer)
In TMP the department colors were white = command (Kirk/Decker) green = medical (McCoy) grey = security/technical(i.e. communications) (Chekov/Uhura) yellow = services(i.e. helm) (Sulu/Ilia) red = engineering (Scott) orange = science (Spock)
so at this point, the TOS redshirt division was split up.. engineering kept the red, and security and the 'other' people like communications got grey
also the TOS yellowshirt division was split.. the command officers got white, and the helm people (and presumably most of the other TOS yellowshirts) got yellow.
By TWOK, the divisions changed only slightly.. FLetcher designed red as the cadet color, so engineering crossed over and became yellow.. and science was absorbed by one of the groups too.. not sure if it was yellow or grey (a costuming error in TSFS had Saavik wearing command white, and officer of her standing should have had a dept. color as a stripe on her epaulet.. since she was science personnel, whatever one she was supposed to have would reveal what color science was.
The point of this being that, in TWOK Pavel still wore his grey dept. color, signaling he was still security/tactical (although some point out theres a 50% chance it could represent science).. since he was the Reliant's first officer, it can be assumed he doubled duty as the XO and as Chief of tac/sec.. ionly perpetuate this theory because, during TWOK, Chekov joins the bridge crew, asks to take his station, and goes straight to tactical.. seems to me if thats his station, thats what his specialty still was..
He was probably supposed to keep that station as the 1701-A's Sec/Tac officer (still in grey collar, keeping up with previous appearances), but the problem mightve that he wasnt visible from the side of the bridge (no regular ever sits that far away from the rest of the cast).. so they probably would explain that on the 1701-A bridge, they had already enacted the TNG era conn position and made the second forward position tactical.
or something.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
So he definitely doesn't sit at the forward console at the end of TWoK? Him sitting there in TSfS can be excused given that the E-nil was heavily automated and wasn't intented to fight; he was only needed as a navigator which he could do in his sleep. TFF and TUC is more problematic however, unless as we both surmise the TNG-style combined Conn & Nav role was coming into favour.
Do we know where the Tac position is meant to be on an Excelsior-class bridge?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Not really. It's probably one of the consoles directly part or starboard from the main viewer. Probably port, as that's where it is on the TNG bridges Prometheus and Equinox, at least. The sets for the Excelsior and Enterprise-B do have tactical stations - I just can't remember where I saw that picture. The E-A had one too, somewhere, in ST5; however the torpedo was almost certainly fired from the helm console in ST6.
Mark
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
What exactly were those two joined stations directly aft of the captain's chair on the E-B? Tim Russ sat at the port side with Scotty later sitting there using the transporters.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: TUC: Is Chekov ever explicitly stated to be the Navigator or Tactical officer? I think at this point the role of the Navigator is becoming diminished and absorbed into the Conn role. . .
In TUC, I would guess he was both:
*He asked if he should raise shields when they first encountered the Kronos One, when it was about to retalliate, and when they were battling Chang. - Tactical
*He coodinated with the torpedo room after the Kronos One was attacked. - Tactical
*He was then in charge of flying/piloting the ship and seemed to take over the role of Valeris after she was arrested (as she was the one piloting out of spacedock). - Helm
...and he was sitting at what was traditionally the Navigators station. Unless the two consoles at that time were capible of dual roles? I didn't notice if he moved stations after Valeris' arrest, but since Valeris was the helmsman, it must be implied that Chekov is still the navigator.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Far as I can recall, he stayed sitting where he was, and another female officer took over Valeris' place at the helm.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: What exactly were those two joined stations directly aft of the captain's chair on the E-B? Tim Russ sat at the port side with Scotty later sitting there using the transporters.
It was my understanding that they were meant to be tactical, as on the Enterprise-B. As for what they were used for, the director probably decided that it was better for the crew to stand there than for everyone to wander over to the science station.
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