quote:All of us at Paramount warmly bid goodbye to Enterprise, and we all look forward to a new chapter of this enduring franchise in the future.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Bastards.
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
It sucks that this gets cancelled after four seasons, while Voyager got seven. What can you do?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Waste some money.
Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
A lot of people are probably very happy now. Nearly every site I visited, people bitched and moaned about Enterprise and wished for its cancellation.
Posted by Bones McCoy (Member # 1480) on :
Shit! This fucking sucks..... Sorry, can't think of anything more eloquent to say right now. They may be able to take Enterprise away, but look what happened when they cancelled TOS. I have faith.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Mr. Leslie Moonves Co-President, Co-Chief Operating Officer CBS Television CBS Television City 7800 W Beverly Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90036
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Sorry guys, but I won't shed a tear for this show. Every episode I have seen of Enterprise was shitty at best.
I never got attached to any of the characters, I hated that arrogant T'Pol bitch, and when I see Scott Bakula I am always reminded of a certain gay neighbour of Kevin Spacey...
No honestly, better cancel it now than drag it on like they did with Voyager.
Let Star Trek rest for a while!
Posted by Bones McCoy (Member # 1480) on :
Enterprise may have had some teething problems, but they should have worked on it instead of just quitting. The phrase we would use here is: 'this is kak.'
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
TV-land 1969 != TV-land 2005.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
In other words:
our times <> hip sixties Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
quote:Originally posted by Austin Powers: Sorry guys, but I won't shed a tear for this show. [SNIP]
While I agree with the sentiment, in my opinion it's a bit inappropriate to debate the issue in this thread. Some people liked the show and are unhappy with its cancellation; if I were one of them, I'd want to be left in peace about it at the moment.
Marian
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Enterprise is not without its faults. However, the improvements since Manny Coto and the Reeves-Stevens duo joined are incredible. Nevertheless, Enterprise always had an uphill battle.
Berman and Braga squandered the TNG-level ratings they got from the premiere with their same old Voyager-esque crap. To their credit they did better with the Xindi arc, but that sort of thing was exactly what didn't need to happen, since it further alienated the casual Trek fanbase.
Of course, the leadership problem has been partially fixed.
Then there are the damned Trek fans . . . not the ones who watch, but the ones who don't but bitch and moan about how much they hate it in any venue that they can. I don't know how it became popular to crap on even decent new Trek (not even mentioning the great eps) for not living up to some vague memory of older episodes that even those older episodes don't live up to, but that's done more to kill Enterprise than anything. It's sickening, and renders it amazing Enterprise did as well as it has.
This problem remains.
And of course there is UPN. It's no coincidence that the last heavily-watched Trek was DS9, which wasn't on UPN. The problems with UPN not promoting Enterprise are well-known. Now UPN is aiming more for the female minority niche. I don't know how Trek does in that niche, but in any event Trek isn't exactly one's first thought regarding it. Even Babel One, which was reportedly the lowest-ratings record-holder, beat WB.
NBC Universal tried a promotional experiment with Battlestar Galactica, placing it on NBC primetime instead of Sci-Fi Channel for one night. It beat CBS in the 18-49 group. If CBS did something similar . . . or just moved Enterprise to CBS altogether . . . things would be much, much better.
In any case, I've pretty much vented and gotten some thoughts together for my letter to Moonves. One can only hope that this is just a ploy to make the upcoming sweeps week explode in ratings due to Bjo-Trimble-like backlash.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Feel free to give UPN some feedback on their decision:
323-956-5000 (Paramount's posted number) followed by speaking the name David Stapf ("staff") into their voice-recognition system gets you the office of Paramount Network Television president David Stapf. The girl there does not know the complaint procedure, but if they get enough calls I'm sure she'll learn it quickly enough.
The publicly-posted Paramount number also gets one the number of Les Moonves. The voice-recog system freaks and sends you to an operator when you say that name. The operator says that 323-575-2345 gets you the office of Les Moonves. This was given openly with no inquiry as to my need, so it is not secret information.
You can also write Paramount Television at:
Paramount Studios 5555 Melrose Avenue Hollywood, CA 90038
And of course there's SaveEnterprise.com.
On your feet, soldiers. It might not do a lick of good in the long run, but let's make sure history remembers the name Enterprise.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
They haven't even given this season a chance. F**k
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The only real shame I can see here is that we have mediocre-to-good shows like Enterprise that get cancelled, and yet other sci-fi shows like Andromeda can be absolute dreck and still survive longer.
I'm still sad it's gone, though I grudgingly agree it's time for a break. Damn networks.
Mark
Posted by Bones McCoy (Member # 1480) on :
I wish the cast and crew all the best. They'll live forever on DVD.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I implore everyone to do what they can. Even if you don't love Enterprise, if you want a future for Star Trek. Get your friends to write too.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Oh, well. It's a pity, given some of the promise they've shown over the last season and a half - but that's a case of too little, too late. And as for "give this season a chance" - we're halfway in, and the ratings still suck. If you cancel a show after only half a season, then fans have a right to complain. . . but after three and a half seasons?
I doubt the show will be saved. Best we can hope for is that after a year or two, if we keep reminding TPTB that us Trekkies are out here, they'll finallly give us some new Trek that's worth watching - from the start, not after heavy retooling, adding marines and losing the main female character's clothes!
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Ya know what? I wish it would move to CBS. Just look at JAG.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I too doubt that it can be saved, but I think people should try anyway. At the very least it will be a reminder to them that we are out here.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
quote:It's no coincidence that the last heavily-watched Trek was DS9
I'm skeptical about this claim, or at least want some clarification of what we mean by "heavily-watched."
At least this leaves a little time to come up with a proper finale.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Although I think Enterpise seasons 1 and 2 were nothing more than Voyager seasons 8 and 9, the show did become a worthy Trek show. But I also have to agree to some of the above posters. The question is not "does this show deserve to be saved?" but "do these Star Trek fans deserve to get more Star Trek?". I have seen the reactions to the cancellation of Farscape and B5's Crusade and Andromeda. Even if the show is not that good (meaning a constant high level of quality) the fans support it. Even if there are not as many fans, not as much publicity and the show is not that well known.
And when I see those who call themselves Star Trek fans who scream and pray for the cancellation of Enterprise, I can only shake my head in astonishment. How stupid are these people? Do they - do you really think that Paramount will commission the next Star Trek series this fall? Or that there will be ever another series or movie after Star Trek got its "needed break"? Enterprise is dead, and we may never see another new minute of Star Trek on film, and I ask: is it that what you wanted?
Neither Star Trek nor Enterprise will ever return - nor do they deserve to return - as long as there are so many "fans" who are obviously just sick and tired of this franchise. Sorry guys. We could change things. But Star Trek have probably just become to old and lazy to really do something or care for it anymore. We haven't seen a single year without new Trek in nearly 20 years and we may have forgotten that it will not continue like this forever. I guess sooner or later we will realize it. I just hope it wont be too late.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Fuck. This day just keeps getting worse...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
There is some hyperbole in this thread.
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
Ugh.
I didn't think Seasons 1 & 2 were anything to write home about. They weren't bad, but they weren't good. The Temporal Cold War episodes, taken individually, were (IMHO) probably the best from back then, even though I had a hunch that the arc as a whole would ultimately let me down.
Season 3 got me really interested in Star Trek again. For the first time since Deep Space Nine's final season, I made absolutely sure I was tuned in every week.
Season 4 is what Seasons 1 and 2 should have been, if somewhat overboard with the TOS references. Sure, it started out with the "Storm Front" two-parter, which not only stunk of it's own accord but ultimately validated the previously stated hunch about the Temporal Cold War arc, but every episode since then has been at least okay.
I salute you, Enterprise. Perhaps not the greatest show on TV. Perhaps not even the greatest sci-fi show on TV. But it did manage to eventually reignite my passion for Trek after four years, so here's to hoping it gets a decent finale.
Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
I love this show. With Futurama gone and now this, I have no reason to watch TV anymore.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: And when I see those who call themselves Star Trek fans who scream and pray for the cancellation of Enterprise, I can only shake my head in astonishment. How stupid are these people? Do they - do you really think that Paramount will commission the next Star Trek series this fall? Or that there will be ever another series or movie after Star Trek got its "needed break"? Enterprise is dead, and we may never see another new minute of Star Trek on film, and I ask: is it that what you wanted?
I've got two words for you: "Star Wars". And two more: "Battlestar Galactica". And another: "Firefly". And probably more that I haven't thought of yet.
If people want to bring back "Star Trek" in the future, they will. The simple fact is that "Star Trek" has been continuously on the air for the past 18 years. The only other shows that have that kind of longevity are soap operas, and they've all long since crossed into the realm of endless rehashes.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to give "Star Trek" a rest. I'm not addicted to a constant stream of new shows; sure, I'll miss "Enterprise", but crappy "Trek" is IMO far worse than no "Trek" at all.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Dr. Who being another example. True, there aren't any television shows in production, but we've had at least one TV movie and reports are of another movie in the works.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
It took 20 years for Star Wars to get two (possibly three) mediocre sequels that were planned anyway, both BSG and Dr. Who are basically the same old concept for a new generation, not a continuation of the old shows. And Firefly is the same as Farscape' mini and Babylon 5's feature; it came back because of the fans who bought the DVDs and supported the show.
Don't get me wrong, I really hope that the show will come back, but it wont be tomorrow and it may not be what we are hoping for. Paramount wants our money, for sure, but - compared to Farscape and B5 - they already get it. Plenty of it. No need to produce more Trek for now. Fox sucked the Star Wars franchise dry for 20 years, and that's just three movies.
On the positive side they got rid of B&B, too (for now, at least. For what it's worth, there's still the upcoming movie, currently in developement hell. I hope it'll come out someday).
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
Y'know, it's funny, but I recently watched Futurama's Trek parody "Where No Fan Has Gone Before" with the audio commentary, recorded after the show had been cancelled.
David Cohen jokes that David Goodman (who wrote the episode) has a history of working on shows that get cancelled after he joins them. What show had Goodman moved onto just prior to recording the commentary track?
Enterprise.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Dr. Who being another example. True, there aren't any television shows in production, but we've had at least one TV movie and reports are of another movie in the works."
I think your information is a little out of date, there. The TV episodes are in production right now and are supposed to start airing in March.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
It seems like a sick joke how people (myself included) bitched for the show to be cancelled for its lousy theme, hackneyed space-marine war arc -- we finally get a season of Orion pirates, Vulcan deserts, and an exact recreation of a TOS era ship -- the things we wanted to see around ENT Season 1 -- and _THEN_ they cancel it. I guess we are lucky to have one year of wishes coming true before the end.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
I wonder how many online petitions there are to save this shitty show. Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
It's not a sick joke . . . the bashers simply got a two-for-one special. Thanks, bitchers. Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
quote:Originally posted by deadcujo: I wonder how many online petitions there are to save this shitty show.
Wow, how very sensitive
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Well, his name is "deadcujo", you know.
I've enjoyed this season of Enterprise. I haven't seen every episode of the series (I missed almost all of season three due roommate issues), but I've liked the series as a whole. I'll miss it.
I don't think that giving Star Trek a rest is necessarily a bad thing. I highly doubt anyone or anything can "kill" Star Trek, but I do think it suffers from having been on for so long a run without interruption. I think it's a shame that this comes with the good work Coto and company have done this season, but such is life and the inherent unfairness of it.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Even The Nestles Generation was better than most of this show's stories. It sucks that the show has been cancelled, but it's really not a suprise at all. Stargate is the Star Trek killer. Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
quote:Neither Star Trek nor Enterprise will ever return - nor do they deserve to return - as long as there are so many "fans" who are obviously just sick and tired of this franchise.
Sorry, but that's plain bullshit. I think MinutiaeMan's statement sums it up far more nicely:
quote:There's nothing wrong with wanting to give "Star Trek" a rest. I'm not addicted to a constant stream of new shows; ... crappy "Trek" is IMO far worse than no "Trek" at all.
Those who consider themselves "addicted" in that respect should try and "get a life" - to coin that old phrase yet again.
quote:I highly doubt anyone or anything can "kill" Star Trek, but I do think it suffers from having been on for so long a run without interruption.
Another very true statement IMHO.
And sure, Enterprise may have had some good episodes - though I haven't seen any of them. Perhaps because I didn't have a chance yet, not having been able to see the latest season here in Germany. But on the whole, ever since the end of DS9, Star Trek in general went downhill: Insurrection, Nemesis, Voyager, Enterprise. Having a few outstanding moments inbetween is just not good enough.
And I still consider myself a Star Trek fan, but this doesn't mean I have to like everything TPTB throw at me, or does it?
From what I gather about most of the postings on the latest season, having gotten rid of B&B must have had very positive effects. Well, they should have done that before even creating Enterprise... Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Ok, I haven't read this whole thred - but this is sad new indeed. They are doing the WRONG thing. I agree Voyager was allowed 7 seasons? The show should have been off the air after season 2! Enterprise has never been a BAD show - and it has only improved since season 3 and even moreso in season 4. I will DEFINATELY be voicing my support for this show. There have been 'campaigns' over the years for various shows (not including the original Trek) Like Angel or Farscape they had their time... Enterprise has not had it's time.
Andrew
P.S. Some of the arguments AGAINST Enterprise - I've read in this thread are simply pathetic. Very childish indeed - one in particular I'm sure others would have noticed.
Andrew
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E.: we finally get a season of Orion pirates, Vulcan deserts, and an exact recreation of a TOS era ship -- the things we wanted to see around ENT Season 1 --
Er, I wanted to see good storytelling interesting characters. The others I couldn't give a monkeys about (well, okay, the whole Defiant thing is cool, but it's also pure unadulturated fanwank).
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: Ya know what? I wish it would move to CBS. Just look at JAG.
Speaking of dreak! Why the hell is that crap-of-a-show still doing on television after, what? 8? 9 years?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam:
quote:Originally posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E.: we finally get a season of Orion pirates, Vulcan deserts, and an exact recreation of a TOS era ship -- the things we wanted to see around ENT Season 1 --
Er, I wanted to see good storytelling interesting characters. The others I couldn't give a monkeys about (well, okay, the whole Defiant thing is cool, but it's also pure unadulturated fanwank).
But there are good character episodes too. The Vulcan arc was GREAT. There's no denying season 3 was very good.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I'm denying it. Season 3, although it had some good stories, was ultimatly pointless. Not too mention the last 10 seconds of Season 3, which basically destroyed whatever point they were trying to make.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well we've all gone over THAT in detail - and who does it point to... Branon Braga and Rick Berman.
I have a feeling they new that ENT was going to end a while back when it was confirmed that those two were going to write the final episode.
The comment made that Enterprise may have had some good episodes could be laid down on Voyager in spades, sure it had some FANTASTIC episodes but the amount of crud could fill 3 seasons. Connection: B&B.
NOW Enterprise has effectivally got rid of their meddeling hands - and the show has blossomed, but now that blossom has been picked from the tree prematurely. B&B being the poison attacking it's roots!
DS9 ended - Trek ended - someone said - yes well again it points to Berman and Braga. Insurrection and Nemesis (especially) were crud, Berman and Braga.
Move Enterprise - put it in syndication - just get rid of B&B - well at least Braga and let Cotto work his magic!
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I know it's nitpicking, but surely popular writer of "Best of Both Worlds" and fan-favourite Michael Pillar should be blamed for "Insurrection"?
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Season 3. Xindi story arc. Worst Trek Ever.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Perhaps I should say something like "Thank you, god!", but that would be coming little overboard.
So, yes, I don't like Enterprise. With first two seasons being like Voyager season 8 and 9 (to borrow this fitting comparison) when the whole reason for doing a prequel was to tell some new, different stories, with season three being "Search for Xindi", season four, while consituting a tremendous improvement, was simply not enough.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: (well, okay, the whole Defiant thing is cool, but it's also pure unadulturated fanwank).
I WANT TO BE WANKED LIKE THAT
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
I just have to say that it's laughable that this thread even exists. This show will not rest, there will never be any peace about it... it will forever haunt trek fans, both the fanatics and casual viewers alike. No one will know how to treat it, and each person's view will shift like windblown sand or snow.
We don't know if this will mark the end of the franchise or just a hibernation. With the rise of other franchise operations like Stargate, with a growing fanbase--- how can Trek survive when it's fanbase has been shrinking since DS9 ended [technically as I understand it, Trek has been a dying enterprise (no pun) since long before that if you measure it by fanbase].
No, it looks highly likely that Trek has become the bloated crack model that no one cares about anymore-- ready to toss it away for a new model that's not quite as dead. Trek has simply been run too far into the ground. Perhaps, in a long time... when Trek has passed through a few hands that will simply take it for the licensing money they can get, someone will grab a hold of it with a creative mind that honors what Trek should be.
I'll end with a simple message that I've wanted to say for a while:
I Told You So. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I liked T'Pol.
Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
Well - I'm sorry to see it go. I rather enjoyed the series.
Doubt there will be much Trek to talk about after this one ..
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
I thought UPN and Paramount missed the boat after Star Trek 6. With UPN launching and having a propsoed Movie of the Week concept (remember the short lived scifi movies they did?), Paramount could have easily done Captain Sulu adventures with movies of the week during the spring and fall sweeps.
Perhaps they can do something like that now. While not producing regular episodes, and no major motion pictures in the works, the opportunity exists to do a couple of TV movies of the weekis would keep Trek alive in some format without the expenditures a new series would require.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Wrath of ye gods, it the return of the TV movies and the Captain Sulu series. Both ideas have been around seemingly forever, and neither one is really that good an idea.
The TV movies would have to end up being action flicks since character development in two hours is tricky at best and character development in Star Trek is near impossible in two hours. To justify the costs of the sets, props, and effects, you'd pretty much have to make it as action-packed as possible to draw in the most amount of people to justify the money poured into it.
The Captain Sulu series idea is bad just because Sulu isn't that great a character and the series would likely turn into The Next Generation Redux. As much as George Takei seems to think that such a series would be the savior of Star Trek, you gotta keep in mind that there's nothing that particular series would come up with that's different from the five previous series.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Wasn't there some rumor-speak about a prequel movie being planned behind closed doors? I had a thought yesterday:
They've made it very clear that Archer and Company (or at least Archer) plays a heavy role in the founding of the Federation. But now, we're never going to get to see it. If they did a movie (or even a mini-series on television) about the founding, we've got a couple of problems. There would be many years oof material to cover between the end of the series and the founding. Too much to just skip and too much to try and play catch-up on during the course of the film and still have a story.
So I guess if anything further is done with Enterprise, ever, I'd like to see 2 or 3 mini series type installments. But jumping right to a motion picture I think would be a bad idea.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Last I heard about any Star Trek movie was that it had been pushed the bottom of the very long list of things that Paramount wanted to make a movie about first (right under "Ernest Cleans the Pool" and "Diehard: In the Geriatric Home").
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
There were rumours about a prequel movie, IIRC even with a completely new cast, and set sometime around the founding of the UFP. Later rumours claimed that the idea was rejected. However, Berman claimed there haven't even been talks about a new movie.
I think they're not really willing to touch Star Trek for the forseeable future. And really though, what the hell hasn't been done in Star Trek already? The franchise needs a rest after 18 years of weekly episodes.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
God, I can scarcely beleive how many people would rather see a f*cking CAPTAIN SULU series than what we've been getting from ENT. It's astonishing.
Season 3 the worst Trek ever? What are you SMOKING???
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Apparently I'm not smoking the same thing that the people who enjoyed the Xindi stories are smoking.
And yeah, Captain Sulu. Not that I necessarially want to see one now. After all, George Takai is probably too old to be a dynamic convincing captain. (On the other hand, Picard wasn't a spring chicken).
Maybe it's an age thing. You young kids who think Star Trek is first and formost TNG era or after are a different breed than those of us who rigged antennas out of spit, coat hangers and bailing wire just to watch TOS through all the static and snow because it was the only Star Trek ever made.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:Maybe it's an age thing. You young kids who think Star Trek is first and formost TNG era or after are a different breed than those of us who rigged antennas out of spit, coat hangers and bailing wire just to watch TOS through all the static and snow because it was the only Star Trek ever made.
In other words, "Soundwave superior; Constructicons inferior." Just because you "rigged antennas out of spit, coat hangers and bailing wire just to watch TOS through all the static and snow" doesn't mean that your opinion counts any more or any less than anyone else's here.
I still think that a Captain Sulu series is a bad idea and would be nothing more than a rehash of story ideas and development that we've already seen twenty times. George Takei is not that good an actor; Hikaru Sulu is not that great a character. The stories that you could do in that timeframe aren't much different from the ones The Next Generation tackled in its start.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
I STILL WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
It's scary that, five years later we're still hashing out the same damned arguments. I still say let Star Trek rest. Geez. It's like playing a Celine Dion CD except the player keeps skipping and repeating "My Heart Will Go On."
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by J: Trek has been a dying enterprise (no pun) since long before that if you measure it by fanbase].
Actually if you want to go by TNG - if that's what you are meaning - TNG was a phenomenon - it was out-rating EVERYTHING by 1994. It was even given a 'token'-admittedly nomination for best Drama in 1994!
EVERYONE watched it - Trekker and non-trekker.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: Apparently I'm not smoking the same thing that the people who enjoyed the Xindi stories are smoking.
And yeah, Captain Sulu. Not that I necessarially want to see one now. After all, George Takai is probably too old to be a dynamic convincing captain. (On the other hand, Picard wasn't a spring chicken).
Maybe it's an age thing. You young kids who think Star Trek is first and formost TNG era or after are a different breed than those of us who rigged antennas out of spit, coat hangers and bailing wire just to watch TOS through all the static and snow because it was the only Star Trek ever made.
Sorry to single you out again, Herb, but you proceed from a false assumption. I love TOS, and I vastly prefer it to TNG even, but I also thought ENT was great. And part of the reason I thought it was great was because it *was* a break from the TNG era.
I really hate the viewpoint that anything that isn't TOS can't be good. I refuse to take a narrow view of the Trek universe.
A Captain Sulu series would be truly horrible. "Flashback" alone demonstrated that quite sufficiently. Takei can't act, the Sulu character was always just the guy who counts off the warp factors, (once he stopped being the physicist for one episode) and making him a focus was never a good idea. (But then, very little of Nick Meyer's ever were.)
The Xindi arc was very decent TV storytelling. It reflected current-day moral and political issues and at the same time provided some good character development within the show. And most importantly, it held my attention and got me excited about seeing next week's episode. This season has been even better still, and I am sincerely bummed that we won't be getting another.
-MMoM Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Yeah. . .
(I strongly suspect the most-watched syndicated show in 1994 was Wheel of Fortune, as it has claimed that title for years, but I can't find any solid figures. As for the networks, it was, for TNG's entire run, as follows: The Cosby Show, Roseanne, Cheers, and 60 Minutes.)
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Star Trek II and VI are the only Star Trek movies that even exist, while we're at the "bombastic pronouncement" stage.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
I'm curious what's going to happen to Flare after the end of the season. We have some great discussions around here, but in recent memory it's pretty dead when Trek's on hiatus - take the winter break for example.
B.J.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Well, this is the Flare Sci-Fi Forums. Stargate goes on. Battlestar Galactica goes on. Andromeda goes on (I think). Serenity is on the horizon. And there are also topics on Star Trek, Babylon 5, Firefly, and others that could up and be discussed. Until Charles says something, I'm inclined to believe that Flare will go on.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Not unlike Ms. Dion's heart, then?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Indeed. And that damned song has been stuck in my head ever since I first mentioned it eight posts up.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
And not a single iceberg anywhere in sight.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Well, it doesn't have to be a Captain Sulu story. Someone else also mentioned a couple of mini-series ideas to help finish the ENT story arc. Birth of the Federation, Romulan War, etc... Plenty of stories from this era to provide fuel for the fire.
There are other established characters that could be focused on as well.
Just seems to me that mini-series may be a viable way to produce new Trek without the commitment to a series.
Yes, it's difficult to develop characters in that format, but that doesn't hurt any other mini-series in any other genre from being made.
Moving on...
I wonder if Star Trek has become a victim of it's own success. TNG was a phenomenon (to quote someone above). Yet, each successive Trek incarnation lost some viewers from the previous version. Some fans didn't like DS-9 because it was too dark, didn't go anywhere or, to quote one person "looked like a gas station." For many, the show didn't pick up until a TNG character, Worf, was added (O'Brien being only a bit character from TNG doesn't count).
VOY saw even more fans rant and complain and now ENT suffers the ignominy of being the first modern-era show to be cut short of 7 seasons.
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
I liked Enterprise and thought it would have done well over a full seven year run. Since it isn't, it's probably best that we don't see another Star Trek series - and we will again, at some point - for several years. Face it, there are currently far better sci-fi shows on tv that don't feel like retreads of what's been done before - the new Battlestar Galactica is awesome, the Stargate shows have a big following, George Lucas has announced an hourly Star Wars drama for '06, and there's always the possibility that if Serenity is a hit, Universal will begin production of Firefly again (not quite sure how that would work...)
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Actually if you want to go by TNG - if that's what you are meaning - TNG was a phenomenon - it was out-rating EVERYTHING by 1994. It was even given a 'token'-admittedly nomination for best Drama in 1994!
Actually, I said end of DS9... I think that from it's height would have been sometime within the TNG run.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
So the Star Wars series is a definite now, huh? Any details on what it's going to be about?
It could be cool for the sole reaosn that it might push back further changes to the movies.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Godless fuckers.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I don't believe there's anything solid about a Star Wars TV show. Maybe they would try to emulate the new Battlestar Galactica and the poles would reverse and water run uphill.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Also nobody seems to acknowledge the fact that when TNG was around it had no competition from similar types of series!! Even DS9 - but that's when the dilution happened.
TNG only ever had competition from alike series such as Time Trax. That was about it. LOL!
There was also Quantum Leap. Twin Peaks too, but they are very varied and didn't really overlap.
Then along came the brilliant DS9 - but it's audience began to be watered down...
Babylon 5 (I like this show so I'm not bagging it) THEN another Trek - Voyager, Earth 2, SeaQuest DSV, Sliders, Space: Above and Beyond. Then there were some major players like The X-Files for instance. Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and Xena: Warrior Princess began a new trend that took Audiences away from Trek. More and more 1 hour dramas that worked on the basic 1 hour Drama/sci-fi concept. Dark Skies, American Gothic, The Pretender, Mellenium in the X-files arena. Stargate SG1, Earth: Final Conflict, Andromeda, Farscape etc. We've now got the 'strong chick action shows' basically stemming from Buffy: The Vampire Slayer. Angel (Buffy spin off - not stong chick), Dark Angel, Tru Calling, Alias.
There's "The Dead Zone" - which I can't work out why that's still going and crap like "Mutant X". Then there's now another variation/combination with shows like The 4400 and Lost. There is still of course the brilliant Stargate-SG1 and Stargate Atlantis.
That's only scratching the surface (Think of all the short-running shows like, I don't know... The Lone Gunman, Harsh Realm and Birds of Prey) I know - but then there's Enterprise and it's left with a very small percentage of the market - especially being broadcast on the UPN! There is also the ever growing thret of craptacular reality TV which giving into is NOT a good idea. It's surprising so many shows that essentially stem from the "ST:TNG" formula are continually being churned out! It's a wonder the audience for them hasn't imploded way earlier. The Animated half-hour-comedy fad imploded way quicker.
I have grown to love Enterprise - Trek hasn't been this consistent since either season 1 of Voyager or the end of DS9. WHY then did they even BEGIN this show... why hook viewers and pull them into stories - why didn't they just let Trek lay fallow after the end of Voyager?
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
Just a point of clarification: At it's height TNG was the most popular hour long syndicated show on TV. It wasn't the most popular syndicated show period. If you put it up against Wheel of Fortune, Wheel kicked it's heiney.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Actually - I remember reading somewhere, where TNG at times was out rating Wheel!
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jeff Raven: I love this show. With Futurama gone and now this, I have no reason to watch TV anymore.
Amen!
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
Um - Battlestar Galactica?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Is about as watchable as Andromeda.
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
I wouldn't know, only seeing parts of a handful of Andromeda episodes. But I'll say that BSG is, in my opinion, better than Deep Space Nine. I think that if Sci-Fi/Sky One keep it to the 13 episode a season format that most cable networks seem to prefer, it'll stay strong across the board and continue to improve.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Snay is officially ready for a straight-jacket.
Andrew, that "Mutant X" series was cancelled last season- there's just it's syndication now.
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
Hey, BSG is great, and its off to a stronger start than DS9 had. It has many of the same elements that made DS9 great - arc storylines, character driven plots, and a large cast of regular and irregular characters to give the feel of a "real world" environment. Watching the first season in its entirety, I only found one episode to be sub-par, and that's next week's The Drumhead-rip. Compare that to DS9's first season, which had maybe five episodes of this caliber.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
DS9 at least established unique cultures with diverse perspectives in it's first season.
All I saw in the BSG miniseries was a JAG rubberstamp of american military knock offs and some terminators that hate humans with zero motivation.
Plus, I really want to see Adama say "We wont live....but who does?", irrational as that may be.
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
"DS9 at least established unique cultures with diverse perspectives in it's first season."
Oh please, you are reaching, and you know it.
The vast majority of DS9's first season episodes were awful - Progress, Duet, and In the Hands of the Prophets being the exception.
And - uh, the miniseries? So you admit you aren't even watching BSG The Series but just dismissing it out of hand? That is just as bad as someone who watched "Broken Bow", didn't like it, then derided Enterprise for four years without keeping up with it.
BSG has nothing in common with JAG, at least except for the fact that they both take place in a military structure - sort of like, hmmm, Star Trek? Also, BSG has better writers, better storylines, and compelling characters.
In fact, as we learn with the Helo/Boomer mk2, not all of the Cylons hate humans - some love them, and seek their approval.
Don't get me wrong - I love Deep Space Nine. And Ron Moore took the lessons he learned writing for that show, and BSG is doing great as a result, I'm sure, of his guiding hand. If you're not watching it because you think of it as "JAG on a ship with terminator robots", then that's your loss.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Actually, I'm not watching BSG for the same reason I missed almost all of this season of Enterprise: the show is on a crappy schedule and I dont have a VCR just now.
Really, how did they expect to reach a greater audience when anyone with a life goes out of Friday nights (ratings dont consider those that tape it).
As to DS9, at least I liked their characters from the start (except Dax- in season one she was lame) while I genuinely disliked everyone on BSG except Tigh. I think he has the most development potential. Hell, it's be cool to see him become an inspirational leader (assuming the series lasts a couple of years to work it in slowly).
I can only speak on the miniseries (which was supposed to get me intrested enough to watch the series each week) but in four hours, they failed to get my attention the first time and then only made me wince the second viewing (Starbuck in particular is wholly unlikable). In a miniseries/ movie, when the writers fail to provide any motivaion for the villian(s) it's a pretty sad affair.
There's really no sci-fi on TV just now (Enterprise notwithstanding) that's worth my time (even Stargate/Atlantis has lost much of it's luster for me).
Y'never know though- BSG may find it's feet and become something original. Hope springs eternal.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
(Lost is the greatest show ever, and has various sf elements dancing around its borders, with hints of more substantial weirdness to come. Just saying.)
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mighty Blogger Snay: "DS9 at least established unique cultures with diverse perspectives in it's first season."
ALLAMARAINE! Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mostly, I meant Cardassian, Ferengi and Bajoran, Andrew.
But....sigh
Third Shap Place your wager.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
The Ferengi were about as unique as my thirteen-in-a-dozen disposable cardboard plate collection.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I didn't know Andrew as only introduced as late as DS9's first season. But we certainly never had anything like him before.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
!?! Well techically a few episodes of season 4 TNG, actually - probably Kahn and Search and/or Voyage Home for Trek in general. ACTUALLY I remember my dad borrowing out a few episodes of season 1 TNG when they came out on video when the series first came out - probably 1988 by the time the released them here. I remember watching "Justice" and then walked away! Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: The Ferengi were about as unique as my thirteen-in-a-dozen disposable cardboard plate collection.
Hey now! Ferengi were effectively 1 dimensional in TNG - but Wolfe and Behr flesh the Ferengi out to be an interesting species.
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
Sci-fi reruns BSG throughout the week - Monday or Tuesday night, I believe.
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Pardon the off-topic tangent, but:
quote:Originally posted by Mighty Blogger Snay:
In fact, as we learn with the Helo/Boomer mk2, [SNIP].
EEEEEK!!! Spoiler warnings, PLEASE! I won't see the series episodes for some time yet.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: I didn't know Andrew as only introduced as late as DS9's first season. But we certainly never had anything like him before.
Andrew was introduced late in DS9's first season? What?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Mostly, I meant Cardassian, Ferengi and Bajoran, Andrew.
Try to keep up.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Cardassian, Ferengi and Bajoran aren't "him" though, are they?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Nice try, though. I'm sure you'll get it right eventually. B)
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: As to DS9, at least I liked their characters from the start (except Dax- in season one she was lame) while I genuinely disliked everyone on BSG except Tigh. I think he has the most development potential. Hell, it's be cool to see him become an inspirational leader (assuming the series lasts a couple of years to work it in slowly).
To be honest, I don't get that point of view. While sometimes, I like a show where all of the cast is likeable (e.g. Firefly), that hardly makes me exclude all shows that have many abrasive characters, especially if a show is going for a darker feel. One might as well complain about The 4400 not having enough jokes. Why do you have to like all the characters to enjoy watching the show?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
NO...I can really HATE a character if it's presented nicely. I just found the BSG cast to be....petty.
As I said, Tigh shows real potential.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Odd, I personally thought that Tigh was one of the more conventional and hence dullest characters. I mean we've already covered the dysfunctional drunk territory before and his rivalry with Starbuck (another one of the more dull characters IMHO) isn't that interesting either.
I'd have to say that the most interesting characters for me would be Baltar, especially since his character is setting up all sorts of problems that will come back and bit everyone in the ass (including him). But at the same time, he's the first villain in a while that I find myself rooting for usually, which is odd. He also gets some of the best dialogue.
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
Baltar's not really a villain though, is he?
I mean, sure, he's indirectly responsible for allowing the Cylons to breech Colonial defenses, but isn't like Baltar knew how or why he was being used.
He's a quasi-villain in how his attempts to keep himself out of suspicion he has schemed and plotted - most notably in urging Pres. Roslin to order the destruction of that stray liner in "33" -- a liner which just happened to carry someone claiming to know who sabotauged Colonial defenses (and, yes, there's someone else in the fleet who knew what that guy knew).
But even with his plotting and scheming and what not, Baltar is quite clearly only barely holding onto his sanity. He sees Number Six as a physical being that he can interact with, and obeys her commands. Is she the real Number Six, in some sort of "only Baltar can see me hologram?" or the embodiment of Baltar's guilty psyche trying to keep him out of the brig - I was leaning towards the latter, but by the end of the season, it is sort of apparent that if she isn't real, that Baltar has some sort of psychic connection with the plot twists of the Galactica world, as it is hard for him to know what Six tells him without some contact with the Cylons.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
the new starbuck reminds me of my girlfriend
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I read that as 'Starbucks' - and I'm thinking how can your girlfriend look like a coffee shop franchise store!?! Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
She's hot, frothy, and everyone's slurped from her rim?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
You are my hero.
Posted by Curzon Dax (Member # 1481) on :
I will add that I did not like Enterprise. I will not say my reasons for they are all the generic reasons why fans did not like the series. I feel sad for those fans who did enjoy it because just because I did not like the series, I am glad that many others did. I have seen throughout the thread that people have written how could have E been canceled when Voy, Insurrection, and Nemesis were able to run thier full course. I will say though that I liked Voy quite a bit but like all other trek series' it did have episodes that sucked and I also enjoyed Insurrection quite a bit. Nemesis had great potential but the heads at Paramount and Trek missed the target. Enterprise was the same, it had the potential to be another great Trek series and it did have great episodes but the bad ones seemed to outnumber the good ones. It is sad that the fans, like me, did not flock to the series but as a fan I do not take blame in this because I gave it many chances and it was not just my Trek and many in my area feel the same way. Still much sadness because there will be no more new Trek.
Long live Star Trek and may the Enterprise fly again!
:{)
Posted by Curzon Dax (Member # 1481) on :
I do hope that Flare does go on. Trek in my area is somewhat rigor mortis (call Grissom!)so this is practically the only outlet that I have to talk Trek with others.
:{)
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: Until Charles says something, I'm inclined to believe that Flare will go on. [/QB]
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I'd say now that Flare members will have lots of time to sort out the DVD collections after NX-01 goes into the drydock for the last time. Flare will go on, so will Trek as it did when The Original Series went off the air... this time though it's going to continue alongside porn in cyberspace.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Personally, I am highly anticipating Enterprise on DVD. As I have bitched many times before, I have missed most of the last two seasons due to UPNs 5 mile broadcast radius around here! I've live in teh same fucking county and it is broadcast from and I still can't pick it up...er, well that, and my being a cheapass and not getting cable, being the other reason I've missed so much. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus: Odd, I personally thought that Tigh was one of the more conventional and hence dullest characters. I mean we've already covered the dysfunctional drunk territory before and his rivalry with Starbuck (another one of the more dull characters IMHO) isn't that interesting either.
It's not the "drunk" aspect I found intresting- it was his indicision in a crisis (and Adama's jumping on him for it) that I think shows potential.
Not everyone in a leadership role steps up to plate....some really tank. In Tigh's case, it seemed they could go either way.
As to "already covered": we've all seen pretty much all the Galactica templates before. It's how they (hopefully) manage to make the generic characters distinctive through the actor's abilities and the writers development of the character that will determine if the show is worthwhile in the long run.
Strangely, that why I loved Enterprise. ...okay, Travis and Hoshi went no where but Reed, Trip, Archer, T'Pol, Phlox, Soval and even that- forget his name- MACO leader all became believable and intresting to me. I even found Futureguy and Daniels enjoiable.
I'll miss them.
Yes, I know the MACO guy died.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Hey, you know whats funny? They moved Enterprise to Friday because it couldn't compeate with American Idol. Now American Idol starts... and they moved it to 9
Wait, thats not funny at all
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
Yes, this pattern of sudden timeslot death has been known to run in the family -- apparently it's only passed down along the bastard stepchild lines
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: She's hot, frothy, and everyone's slurped from her rim?
You've described her perfectly.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I got a reply from UPN after posting a query/message about them cancelling Enterprise. I was suprised to have received one, actually. This is the reply:
quote: Viewer Services (UPN) [[email protected]] Subject: All good things...
Hello,
Thank you for writing to UPN. The STAR TREK legacy has spanned nearly four decades and has spawned five television series. Ten years ago, STAR TREK: VOYAGER was instrumental in helping launch UPN.
The latest incarnation, STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE, has reached the culmination of its journey. This painstaking decision came after it was recognized that despite having many loyal fans like you, the audience for the show was declining steadily. Therefore, ENTERPRISE is set to decommission and will be given a grand send-off on Friday, May 13th at 8 PM ET/PT on UPN.
This does not mean that STAR TREK is gone forever. Paramount, the studio that produced all five television series and ten feature films, is looking forward to the next chapter of the STAR TREK saga.
We know that this information may not make you feel any better but we want you to know how much we appreciate your input and we sincerely hope that you will continue to share your thoughts with us in the future.
Cordially, UPN Viewer Services
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
It's an automated reply. I received the same thing, even though my letter supported the cancellation.
Marian
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
It'll be funny if more people arrive at CBS
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Sorry, I accidentally entered my post before finishing my message. What I meant to say is that it will be funny if more people arrive at CBS HQ in New York to protest Enterprise's cancellation than people who protested at the Republic National Convention.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by MarianLH: It's an automated reply. I received the same thing, even though my letter supported the cancellation.
I understand writing a letter to protest against a decision, but you actually took time out just to say "well done, chaps"?
Posted by Boult (Member # 1269) on :
quote:All of us at Paramount warmly bid goodbye to Enterprise, and we all look forward to a new chapter of this enduring franchise in the future.
according to those two source, it says that final episode ends on May 13th but I just saw the preview after the "Affliction" episode, showing that a final episode which air next friday, Feb the 25th.. WTF is going on?
can someone clear this up?
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Ever since the cancellation was announced, UPN's promos for next week have featured the graphics stating these are the final episodes... plural
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I feel like screaming when I see them(those UPN bastards).
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Hmm... I feel kinda odd. It will be the first time since 1990 that I won't have a Star Trek series to see on television.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
You didn't have any Star Trek to watch between 1986-1990? What happened to you during the early years of TNG?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
To be fair, the early years of The Next Generation weren't much to call home about (or to interrupt wild, hot, monkey sex for in Michael's case).
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge: Hmm... I feel kinda odd. It will be the first time since 1990 that I won't have a Star Trek series to see on television.
Ever since 1992 (regularly) for me.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: To be fair, the early years of The Next Generation weren't much to call home about (or to interrupt wild, hot, monkey sex for in Michael's case).
Having grown up watching TOS in syndication since before I could speak, having any new Trek was outstanding, in my opinion. Of course, I was 14 at the time TNG premiered.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
And an avid buggerer, to boot.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Being that I think of you all as close dear friends I feel I can really open up to you and tell you that in all honestly, im really bummed about this.
On the bright side Family Guy is back and then there is American Dad *cough*ripoff*cough*.
Now only if Futurama could be resurrected my tv may yet have a reason to live...and the Mexicans who made it.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Family Guy and American Dad are from the same guy. You know that right? Besides, I doubt you can call American Dad a rip off of Family Guy anyway.
Peter = fat, dense, and somewhat insane. Stanley = fit, smart, and conservative to a fault
Lois = moderately attractive and smart. Francine = very attractive and a bit clueless.
Meg = unattractive, unpopular, dresses neatly, and smart enough to try for Brown. Hayley = sterotypically bleeding heart, grudgy, and smart enough for junior college.
Chris = fat, dumb, and lethargic. Steve = thin, conservative, and stereotypically geeky.
Stewie = toddler, hellbent on killing Lois, hellbent on world domination, genius, might be gay. Roger = alien, lazy, mooching off of Smithes, very smart, sweet tooth, and weight problem.
Brian = naturally talking, dog, sophisticated, and in love with Lois. Klaus = goldfish that was experimented on, horny, and lusts for Francine.
Posted by Footrama Goo (Member # 968) on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Siegfried: [QB] Family Guy and American Dad are from the same guy. You know that right? Besides, I doubt you can call American Dad a rip off of Family Guy anyway.
What?!! You must be joking!! They are fromt he SAME GUY?>!? Well I feel dumb....next you're prolly gonna say hes been on star tREk before too! Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Footrama Goo: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Siegfried: [QB] Family Guy and American Dad are from the same guy. You know that right? Besides, I doubt you can call American Dad a rip off of Family Guy anyway.
What?!! You must be joking!! They are fromt he SAME GUY?>!? Well I feel dumb....next you're prolly gonna say hes been on star tREk before too!
I'm no stranger to sarcasm. And I also know how to code UBB.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Also,
"Family Guy" = hilarious "American Dad" = not so much
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Eh, it was all right. My big problem was that, even though I know it's supposed to be a political satire, the political jokes had all the humor and subtlety of a Mack crashing into a bus of nuns.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
One joke made me laugh but I don't remember it.
(Not quite so condescending as it sounds: I read some interneters talking about the show and they were all like "Here are the only three funny jokes," and then I watched some of it and was like "Yeah, they were right," but then: "Hey, that was pretty funny and they didn't mention it.)
It is so a ripoff of Family Guy; that it is from all the makers of Family Guy only makes it, you know, what them fancy pants college guys call "postmodern."
This Robot Chicken looks funny, but I missed it.
Near the topic: it would have been neat if, had Enterprise lasted another season, Malcolm's current situation had turned all Wesley/Angel season threeish.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
So which Engineering minion was played by Seth M. anyway?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
He was in last week's "Affliction"; you can see him in three engineering shots. The first is when Trip first transfers over to Columbia and has the four engineers lined up in front of him as he's cracking orders. The second time is after Trip comes back to reality from the daydream; MacFarlane is the one that's handing Trip a pad. The third time is when Columbia launches. As Trip is climbing to the control panel on the reacter, MacFarlane is the one at the controls.
He was also in one of the season three episodes, but I didn't see the one he was in. Apparently, his role was to be an engineer that Trip screams out about an accident or something.
$$ Spoilers above $$
Posted by Footrama Goo (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: And I also know how to code UBB.
Sounds like resume material to me.
And, "Affliction" really isn't spoiler material anymore. His name was Rivers. Said actor also appeared in "The Forgotten".
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
"Affliction" aired last week... in the United States. Not everyone who reads this forum lives in the United States; not everyone who reads this forum is up to date on Enterprise.
Yes, a radically new concept, I know.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Wait a minute here... you mean there are whole other countries?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Ahhhh that was Seth McFarlane, for what little time he had - he did a good job!
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Why does that name sound familliar?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
It is a mystery!
Posted by Footrama Goo (Member # 968) on :
Awefully defensive isn't he?
Posted by Home Decor and Gardening (Member # 239) on :
MOST LIKELY IT IS SOMEONE HE HAD THE GAYEST OF BUTTSEX WITH.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
If that were the case then maybe we could get him to post on Flare and then we would be the cool nerd board.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I would so ask him about that Scooby Doo episode of Johhny Bravo. What, I don't know.
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