Anyone read this article? It has certainly piqued my curiosity.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Paramount doesn't appear to be shopping for TV Trek. Considering the other attempts which have been rejected, I would saw don't get your hopes up.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Just because they're not shopping doesn't mean this pitch doesn't have a chance. Especially if they get the right producer to back it.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I hate to say it, but the biggest argument against this concept would be the confusion from having Treks from two different timelines. As much as I despise the changes in the NuTrek timeline, that's where attention should stay.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Abramsverse should be blown out of the water. Repeat after me, it does not exist. It is the imagination of someone who does not fully understand Trek.
Getting back to this, I doubt it would ever happen, I'd say we need to wait a few more years without Trek shows or Trek movies before they can consider reviving the franchise.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
as much as you hate the JJ-verse, its all we have plus its still better than what currently exists in the old timeline. I mean, does STO count? (pretty sure nope. but if STo was considered cannon, then any Post TNG TV show will still be pigeon toe-ed into the continuity funnel... maybe.
then again, maybe TNG-XXX will be cannonized too...
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
quote: Here’s the Teaser: If evil wore the face of a hero, would you recognize it? If freedom came in the likeness of your oppressors, would you accept it? If you were your own enemy, who would be victorious?
Why does this instantly bring a picture to mind of a battle between the Mirror Universe and the Trek(Normal) Universe? I swear I saw something like this in a comic book years ago.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Saltah'na: Abramsverse should be blown out of the water. Repeat after me, it does not exist. It is the imagination of someone who does not fully understand Trek.
It's my firm belief that the events of the movie did NOT create an alternate timeline. What actually happened is that First Contact created the alternate timeline, and what we saw that came chronologically after that was separated from TOS and the modern Trek shows.
In other words, Nero was blown into the Enterprise universe. No wonder he was so pissed.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
It's my firm belief that the events of the movie did NOT create an alternate timeline. What actually happened is that First Contact created the alternate timeline, and what we saw that came chronologically after that was separated from TOS and the modern Trek shows.
In other words, Nero was blown into the Enterprise universe. No wonder he was so pissed.
That's the thing, though...who do we believe? The producers of the actual film, who say that the pre-Nero-incursion was the actual Prime universe, or some guy on a Star Trek internet BBS who's of the opinion that the "incursion" took place much earlier, and that none of this has anything to do with TOS?
Now that's not saying that I disagree with your opinion, Minutiaeman. As a matter of fact, I used to have a similar belief. Hell, I never thought ENTERPRISE existed in the original TOS canon anyway from the first episode, which established that a Temporal Cold War was going on which might have already been changing history. Also, things like the Xindi attack, which Daniels explicitly stated was NOT supposed to happen, happened and wasn't undone. Of course one could also argue that Daniels didn't come from the Prime universe either.
But that's beside the point. As far as Star Trek '09 is concerned, I'd be inclined to agree with you if there wasn't all kinds of evidence that Spock Prime was the same guy from TOS. If that's the case, why would he and Nero have ended up in the "Enterprise universe" if they weren't from it to begin with?
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
gotta love temporal mechanics... everything HAS and HAS NOT happened...
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: That's the thing, though...who do we believe? The producers of the actual film, who say that the pre-Nero-incursion was the actual Prime universe, or some guy on a Star Trek internet BBS who's of the opinion that the "incursion" took place much earlier, and that none of this has anything to do with TOS?
Oh, I know. It's just a pet theory to satisfy a rabid fan's refusal to ignore the illogical inconsistencies between the different shows' appearances. Or the fact that one change in the timeline wouldn't cause technology to look and operate completely different. And so on.
Some people are fine overlooking the differences. I can suspend my disbelief enough to enjoy the movie on its own merits. But behind the scenes in my brain there's the guy who took a class on the metaphysics of time travel who knows that the entire explanation is bullshit. (Even moreso than many other time travel stories.)
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
funny thing... i finished reading the first Rom War (under the raptor's wing) from the Ent-line of paperbacks... and they came up with a funny ass way to justify the TOS look: the Prefix Code. the NX-class ships have been dropping like flies because of the Rom Remote control thingie they do to pre-feddy ships. counter-measure? a big step backwords in how the ships controls are build. They decided to mass produce the Dadaleus-class with the warp-5 engines and primative controls, that are described as very TOS-sounding.
yeah its a book. no it might not be offical cannon but the ideas they create might become cannon...
and i was told i might be needing bifocals from the eye doc. Holy Fuckballs Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: But that's beside the point. As far as Star Trek '09 is concerned, I'd be inclined to agree with you if there wasn't all kinds of evidence that Spock Prime was the same guy from TOS.
Actually, I partially base my separation of the Abramsverse from the Prime universe on the fact that there's so much evidence that the '09 movie Spock *isn't* our Spock.
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: But that's beside the point. As far as Star Trek '09 is concerned, I'd be inclined to agree with you if there wasn't all kinds of evidence that Spock Prime was the same guy from TOS.
Actually, I partially base my separation of the Abramsverse from the Prime universe on the fact that there's so much evidence that the '09 movie Spock *isn't* our Spock.
ok. most of the rants are bullshit, if, a BIG IF, you consider some of the explainations propped up from STO, like the destruction to Romulus occuring because the wave was sub-space based, thus sped up dramatically, changing the estimated arrival of the physical greatly. Spock did not had the time he thought he had, thus Romy go boom.
im too tired to look at the others one. ill check em tommorrow afternoon if the GF's minions let me... hmmm i glanced and i change my opinion. ALL of his ideas are bullshit. He presumed that Nero was ignorant of time travel... guess what? 99% of the universe is probably ignorant of time travel, intentionally. If the slingshot manuever or existance of the Guardian of Forever was common knowledge, every fucktwat in the galaxy would be either burning up or causing infinite fuckstains to the timeline (usually for their own percieved profit). Danials and futureguy would like be ODing on the Star Trek equivalent of Advil as a result of their respective workloads...
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Pensive's Wetness: ok. most of the rants are bullshit, if, a BIG IF, you consider some of the explainations propped up from STO, like the destruction to Romulus occuring because the wave was sub-space based, thus sped up dramatically, changing the estimated arrival of the physical greatly. Spock did not had the time he thought he had, thus Romy go boom.
So, provided you accept ad hoc manufactured bullshit designed to prop up stupid bullshit, my statements regarding the silliness of said stupid bullshit are, in fact, themselves bullshit.
Mmkay.
quote:hmmm i glanced and i change my opinion. ALL of his ideas are bullshit. He presumed that Nero was ignorant of time travel... guess what? 99% of the universe is probably ignorant of time travel, intentionally.
I have no idea what you're responding to, here . . . at what point do I argue that Nero is ignorant of time travel? I do argue that his quest to destroy the 23rd Century Federation rather than save Romulus is nonsensical, but that's entirely different.
quote:If the slingshot manuever or existance of the Guardian of Forever was common knowledge,
Those points only exist in the second post about what Spock could've done . . .
Oh wait, did you misunderstand that the post entitled "What Our Spock Could've Done" was somehow about Nero?
No offense, but if you don't even trouble yourself to understand what was written, your declaration that it is bullshit rings quite hollow.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
what i meant to say wasy that timetravel, the exact means where likely classified as a 'state secret'. think about it. the Star Trek universe is full of many space capable races, old and new. if more than a few of the more... typical bad guy(tm) races knew about the more successful methods to be able to go back and forth in time, how badly screwed up the timelines would be.
i mean, thats the basis in why Daniels, that 29th century captain, Future actively tried to screw with the time lines, in some ways successfully screwing with the timelines.
guardian when i say bullshit, i most certainly dont say it lightly. all of those arguements are hate-based. you see it, feel it, when you read it.
i mean, specially the part about spock not being our spot. did the fact that Spock, old spock from STO/ST2009 was old... fricking mega old. if you saw your world go slurp, i most certainly agree that he would act the way he did in the movie. when your that old, all your friends from your youth gone, hell yeah he'd do exactly. that article (and apparently you, sir) think otherwise...
what you have not said is how old spock would act? yes i agree there was a lot of convient occurances that happened in ST2009 to help the plot go (since when does a movie or any sort of story doesnt)
and just to show that im capping the fuel cells on my forum flamer, why are we argueing?
oh... its because i reacted rather angryly about SWvsST. to that, i appalogize if i have offended.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Pensive's Wetness: what i meant to say wasy that timetravel, the exact means where likely classified as a 'state secret'. think about it. the Star Trek universe is full of many space capable races, old and new. if more than a few of the more... typical bad guy(tm) races knew about the more successful methods to be able to go back and forth in time, how badly screwed up the timelines would be.
None of which has anything to do with what was written. The only person who needed to know time travel methods I spoke of was Spock, which he would've known if he were ours, because he personally dealt with all of them.
quote:guardian when i say bullshit, i most certainly dont say it lightly. all of those arguements are hate-based. you see it, feel it, when you read it.
I don't know what a hate-based argument is, and since you've made it clear that you didn't read what was written, you can't claim anything about my arguments anyway.
quote: when your that old, all your friends from your youth gone, hell yeah he'd do exactly. that article (and apparently you, sir) think otherwise...
what you have not said is how old spock would act?
Our Spock, older, would still act like our Spock. Entire episodes are based on characters acting out of character due to coercion, foreign agency, et cetera (Voyager notwithstanding) . . . yet in a film where so many details of what is purported to be our Prime universe are wrong, even Spock is out of character and no explanation is given? That's just silly. I see no need to jump through all sorts of mental hoops to try to rationalize away the obvious fact that the pre-incursion timeline from the movie still isn't our Prime timeline.
quote:and just to show that im capping the fuel cells on my forum flamer, why are we argueing?
oh... its because i reacted rather angryly about SWvsST. to that, i appalogize if i have offended.
So you're angry about my website and that's why you're declaring arguments you clearly haven't read to be bullshit?
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
alright. since this argument is going overboard (and a lot of what Flare used to bring to me has lowered like alot of things on the net), i think ill take a break now.
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