I saw a nice picture of the ST5/ST6 phaser before, the last and most developed of the pistol phasers, and I got to thinking, what did the crew of the Ent-C use? Did they have an even later, updated ST-TUC pistol design, before it was all TNG? Or did they have an intermediate?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
OK, I realise I haven't updated in absolutely years, and probably never will unless I ever figure out a way of redesigning the site using, I dunno, PHP or something, but still...
I realize that the Enterprise-C model ate up their budget, but it would have been nice to have some newer intermediate crew uniforms and phasers instead of the incredibly outdated movie uniforms & phasers.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Right? They would have only needed four or five total uniforms to be made- a pittance.
Well, at least they scaled the attacking KBOPs correctly...oh, wait.
yeah. Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Thanks Lee, how nice that you had a writeup for just this occasion. 8-)
Well, too bad there wasn't an intermediate type, but at least we'll be able to see this "darker variant" of Type 2 in a month, when the Season 3 is available. Will be nice to see the Ambassador Class in HD for the first time.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Well, they'd probably need a few more than five uniforms, but still...how many times did they make uniforms for random aliens of the week that were never used again? The Rutians spring to mind:
And as far as the phasers went...ill-made fan designs of the TWOK phaser? Really? They could have bought some kids' futuristic-looking water pistols at a dollar store, painted them black, and they would have probably made more sense than these.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Dukhat: "One-and-done" alien costumes, Dukhat? That sounds like hogwash to me. Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Coming back to the uniforms - when was the Stargazer lost? Because I think, by Picard's hallucinations anyway, they'd switched over to the TNG-1st season uniforms; would the -C have been lost about a decade prior?
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Nim: I don't think that Dosai's getup would work as a credible-looking Starfleet uniform
How about the Angosians? Heck, they even had divisional colors and badges:
Snay: Yep, the Stargazer was lost in 2355; the Enterprise-C was lost in 2344. And when Jack Crusher was killed in 2354, he was wearing the new uniform. So somewhere in those ten years was when the uniforms changed.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Actually some of my info was incorrect: When Jack Crusher made his recording for the newborn Wesley in 2348, he was wearing the old uniform (but with a new com badge). When he died in 2354, Picard and Beverly were wearing the newer Season 1 uniforms. So the uniform changed sometime between 2348 and 2354.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
That's some nice detective work. Wonder if the switch from green to blue-beige LCARS was within that same window. Did the Hathaway have it in "Peak Performance"?
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Hathaway had the same blue-green LCARS that the Stargazer did.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: Well, they'd probably need a few more than five uniforms, but still...how many times did they make uniforms for random aliens of the week that were never used again?
I...dont think so. Really, who exactly do we see from the C? Three dead bridge crew, the helmsman (who I think of as "Joe Piskapo"), the Captain Garrett and...that's it. There are a couple in sick bay, I think, but those could have used the bridge crew uniforms.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Well to be honest, the number of uniforms really wasn't my issue...it was more that they probably could have created some newer ones even though most of the money went toward the studio model. And even that argument grew out of the fact that they used phasers that were even more outdated than the uniforms.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah, good points- the phaser thing is pretty odd, but who knows what kind of time constraints they were under? They used to shoot a few episodes a week when possible and the wardrobe, prop and makeup people were always under the gun- explaining why we got such things as Dan Curry creating the prop of the Eco Poppo 627 in The Arsenal Of Freedom from a pantyhose container and a shampoo bottle...
By comparison, the antique phasers are minor- at least they were not obvious household items! Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
The thing is, even if they reused those "dustbuster" or "cricket" phasers from season 1, that would have made more sense than the TWOK phasers. Not much more sense, but sense nonetheless.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
We know they still had Dustbuster props available - they were seen in flashback scenes (set in 2362) from 4th season ep "Identity Crisis."
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: The thing is, even if they reused those "dustbuster" or "cricket" phasers from season 1, that would have made more sense than the TWOK phasers. Not much more sense, but sense nonetheless.
You know, when I first saw the Dustbuster phaser, I thought it was the smartest thing ever- I thought they had integrated their tricorder into the phaser- having the phaser emitter or medical part as an attachment to the front of the tricorder- which would have complimented the notion that their technology is multirole, like how the deflector can be used for more than pushing crap out of the way.
Then I realized it was just an oversized version of the little cricket phaser with aparantly no greater use.
One day I'll be running the universe and I'll retroactively change that for you...and the women's neckline will plunge somewhat.
KBOP's will be properly scaled and there will be dialogue that clearly states they were designed by the Romulans.
Stuff like that.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
And Enterprise season 5 would have had an episode that explained what happened to Thomas Riker and Ensign Siro.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
I think maybe you mean Sito?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Must have been a rypo. As Scooby Doo might say.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
And you would have gotten away with it, if not for those meddling kids.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
And their Targ!
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The Ent-C uniforms do show a pattern of Starfleet slowly eliminating the high collars over 100-years. We had the movie uniforms with their nice big collars that were apparently expensive to make. Then by the time Picard joined the academy they'd switch to a smaller collar. A bit later they'd eliminated it all together, a trait that was kept when they switched to the TNG uniforms. And then it started to come in again because they'd realised that having no collar is unflatering on anyone with a bit of a turkey neck.
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