First set photo from Picard. Looks like they've gone back to division colour shoulders, and the photographer claims the AGT commbadges. Perhaps these are the Class B uniforms to go with the Class A seen in AGT, The Visitor, and Endgame?
Okay, I went to link the image only it turns out CBS has ordered it taken down. Did anyone else happen to see it?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
The picture I saw had an overview of a plaza with a crowd in uniforms showing all division colours. Pretty much a blend of the TNG and DS9/VOY uniforms: black jumpsuit but TNG style collar and no undershirt.
They show a close-up of the uniform in the tiny snippet of footage going around. Oddly, it resembles the "evil" uniforms worn by the Voyager crew recreations in "Living Witness" in that it looks a lot like the early DS9/VOY uniforms but with a black undershirt instead of the usual gray/blue/purple/whatever color that is. The other major difference I saw is that the rank pips are no longer on the collar, but towards the bottom of the colored area.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Frankly, it looks incredibly cheap. Like something a cosplayer on a budget would wear.
Thankfully they're back to clearly discernable ranks. The Discovery uniforms were horrible in that regard.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
We should probably be glad they didn't just add an off-center neck wrap thing a la the STD uniforms.
Then again, they could probably have made that hang a bit better. What is this, Chinese t-shirt material?
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I don't know what the costume designers obsession with putting the rank pips on the chest is. The collar was perfect. Although I wonder what shoulder epaulettes could be like, just like the real military. I don't get the reason for STD combadges hundred years later other than them trying to help tie this into STD.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I don't see anything wrong with putting rank insignia on the chest. They were on the chest/front of the shoulder in ENT and on the red movie-era uniforms. Doesn't seem any more or less reasonable than the collar. If anything, the TOS sleeve insignia are the weirdest (even if they are based somewhat on reality), since you have to look down at someone's wrist to see their rank.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Pips are yesterday's news. Denote rank by amount of jelly bracelets, or nail polish colors.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
I think they're better visible on the chest than on the collar.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: I think they're better visible on the chest than on the collar.
It's like when somebody at work you don't know comes to talk to you, and you think you're meant to know who they are, so you keep trying to flick your eyes down to see the name on their ID badge.
The DS9/Voy uniforms always looked a bit cheap to me - though I'm sure they weren't, especially the main-cast "hero" uniforms. If they're not spending a lot of money on them, it reinforces suggestions that Starfleet aren;t going to feature all that much (along with Picard no lenger being a member).
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Obviously the sexist pig Starfleet designers just put them there to have a ready excuse for the "my eyes are up here" conversations.
Men are pigs in every Trek universe! Hashtag something-or-other!
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
...How long does it take you to peep a rank configuration, though?
They should quit with the pips, pins, braids & all that & just put what you are across the shoulders on your back. Like, you walk in & there's four people there wearing unis that read CAPTAIN, ENSIGN, & two LIEUTENANTs on them.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
80s sweatbands. Wait, no, everyone gets a 3-D printed crown-like thing with rank and name written on there. And, the communicator should be on it so that characters are always facepalming when something crazy happens and they need to call the ship.
"The person has disappeared!" (Facepalm) "Bridge, we lost them."
"We're under attack!" (Facepalm) "Beam us up!"
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I'm just curious what design aesthetic they plan on using for Starfleet ships. A natural progression of what was seen in Voyager and DS9 or more JJ-Trek and STD style.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Getting back on topic of uniform rank insignia. Starfleet's been very back and forth.
Ignoring STD for minute, actually I choose to ignore it completely but anyway...
I still like the Enterprise uniforms, they look like something the Navy or even NASA would use. Started it TNG-era rank pips on chest.
About a 100 years later Starfleet ditches pips for cuff stripes. Something the USN officer uniforms also currently use.
By the movie era went with a different style than pips on the shoulder. I realize that pips are extremely easy to read on TV that even a child can figure out whose in charge. But I liked the different styles of pins as it reminds me of how weird the military is...1 gold bar, 1 silver bar, 2 silvers but then switches to gold and silver oak leaves, a silver eagle, and finally stars.
Finally TNG, DS9, and VOY went with collar pips.
And now Starfleet's gone full circle with pips on the chest.
The one thing I can say about STD is I like how they use the Starfleet insignia to convey rank and department. Granted I think the dots on the badge are a bit small and harder to read at a distance. "Future Imperfect" also did that with their fake future combadges showing rank.
Even though name badges might seem silly on a Starfleet uniform pretty sure every military uniform has them.