As an afterthought, what will the prefix and registry be (if there is one)?
UES-1701??? I'd hope they'd be more imaginative than that.
I think the new ship may have a registry. There is canonical evidence for this position.
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Inadvertently, there was a U.E.S. Enterprise. (rf. "The Corbomite Maneuver")
First I've heard of this. Could you be more specific in your reference? (i.e. who made this statement, what it was in reference to, etc.)
NAR is the canon registry. The numbers do not matter at this point--- 1701 is a little pathetic though. They should not use it.
I generally believe that the Enterprise will operate as part of a larger fleet with possibly carrying the prefix UES (United Earth Ship), or simple just SS. NCC could well be used as a reference to Naval Construction Contract, or something entirely different, such as the old non-listed 'NAR'.
But, we could wager that Berman and Braga might just say screw it, lets honour our brilliant selves and call it UPN Enterprise.
Chapters are for the dvd version.
I really don't think terms like "Uespa," "Star Service," or "United Earth" that were used at the beginning of TOS will have any relevance whatsoever in the new show. Remember, these terms were made up by several different writers before the decision was made to adopt "United Federation of Planets" and "Starfleet." Once it was established that the UFP & SF were crated in 2161, those other names went out the window.
I really don't think terms like "Uespa," "Star Service," or "United Earth" that were used at the beginning of TOS will have any relevance whatsoever in the new show. Remember, these terms were made up by several different writers before the decision was made to adopt "United Federation of Planets" and "Starfleet." Once it was established that the UFP & SF were crated in 2161, those other names went out the window.
Who knows if the Enterprise was supposed to be a Federation ship loaned to Earth, or if it was an Earth ship loaned to the Federation [this would only be for TOS--- to include the movies would mean another possible change over].
It does seem to blow the canon theory that the UFP was formed in 2161, as it all seems to suggest it wasn't completely finalised until a lot later, in that UESPA operated for some time into the 23rd century, only then to incorporate official involvement with other races and hence bringing a 'united Starfleet' and Federation into being.
It's certainly a gray area.
So it really was their own designation. I tend to view the Earth Outposts from 'Balance of Terror' as an old reference to distinct Earth installations that had been in place since the 2150's-60's during the Romulan wars, probably as a measure to patrol and secure Earth, or UESPA boundaries to the Neutral Zone. So even after this eighty year period they continued to retain their old Earth Outpost tags.
Er, you mean they were dropped in 1992? I think they were thrown out long before that.
[ June 16, 2001: Message edited by: PsyLiam ]
And whether the Enterprise was an Earth ship operating under the auspices of the Federation or vice versa wasn't my point. I was just saying that those Federation pre-names were only used once or twice back at the start of TOS, then forgotten. I think it's highly unlikely, no matter whether the names are canon or not, that "UESPA" or any other of those names will be used. Most of them sounded rather silly anyway, like "Star Command." Right out of Buster Krabbe-era Buck Rogers...
According to that series, the United Federation of Planets was a new creation by the second or third year of the USS Enterprise's mission. Before that year, the U.F.P. was preceded by Earth's U.E.S.P.A. and other planets' navies.
Prior to 2195, the first year of the USS Enterprise's mission, there was a terrible war that ravaged the galaxy. ("The Mark of Gideon") This war involved planets (Earth, Vulcan) and individuals (Officer Kirk, Captain Garth of Izar). ("Whom Gods Destroy") The war ended with the Battle of Axanar. (ibid.)
The Axanarians, who witnessed the war, helped the two warring sides to write a treaty that ushed in peace and galactic unity. Their dream was the U.F.P. (ibid.)
By 2197, the U.F.P. was firmly founded.
According to the original chronology, which is supported by statements in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "Space Seed", here is the original chronology.
4.5 billion years before Star Trek (YBST) Pollux IV is created.
600,000 YBST Sargon's people explore space.
500,000 YBST Sargon's people destroy themselves.
50,000 years before Star Trek (YBST) Horta of Janus VI start a new cycle.
10,000 YBST Fabrini sun novas.
10,000 YBST Kalandran outpost built.
6,000 YBST Humans are transported and educated by aliens on unnamed planet. Gary 7 is a descendent of these humans.
6,000 YBST Ice age on Sigma Draconis 6 causes the population to split into male and female camps.
3834 BCE Flint is born.
5000 YBST Sarpeidon experiences ice age.
2500 BCE Sahndara sun novas.
200 BCE Platonians leave Earth.
c. 200 Spock's family obtains land.
c. 200 Surak, a leader of the people, seeks peace with other leaders on Vulcan.
c. 700 The Metron representative is born.
c. 1230 Zetar star novas.
1688 Ethics by Spinoza
c. 1700 War starts between planets in the Eminair Star System.
1787 US Constitution
c. 1800 Last war on 892-4.
1861 to 1864 American Civil War.
1882 OK Corral Gunfight.
1888 Jack the Ripper stalks London.
c. 1900 Kaladans leave the Andromeda Galaxy for the Milky Way Galaxy.
1914 to 1918 World War I.
1925 Folsom Point discovered.
1930 Edith Keeler is killed.
1932 7 women killed in Shanghai, China.
1939 to 1945 World War II.
1960 Zephram Cochrane is born.
1968 Test flight of a nuclear platform.
1969 Apollo 11.
1974 5 women killed in Kiev, Russia.
1992 Eugenics War start.
1992 Chicago Mobs of the Twenties is published.
1993 Khan seizes control of Near and Far Asia.
1996 Tarbolde writes Nightingale Woman.
1996 Flight of the SS Valiant.
1996 End of the Eugenics War.
1996 SS Botany Bay leaves Earth.
1997 Levinus V is attacked.
1997 Awakening on Argelius 2.
1997 John Burke of the Royal Observatory surveys the night sky.
2002 Nomad is launched.
2018 Sublight ships obsolete.
2030 A writer writes that the most important words are, "Can I help you?", over "I love you".
2047 Zephram Cochrane disappears.
2096 End of the Earth-Romulan War.
2097 USS Archon is lost.
2097 Deneva is colonized.
2098 USS Horizon is lost.
2105 8 women killed on Mars.
2147 USS Valiant is lost.
2147 Janus VI is founded.
2149 Dr. Daystrom is born.
2158 2 women killed in Heliopolis City, on a colony world.
2163 James T. Kirk is born.
2166 SS Columbia is lost.
2167 Scotty sees for the last time, until 2197, a PXG reactor.
2169 Flint purchases Holberg 917-G.
2172 Battle of Donatu 5.
2173 Duotronics Revolution.
2173 Dr. Daystrom goes on lecture tour.
2174 Enterprise-type ships commissioned. (speculation)
2175 Elizabeth Dehner is born.
2175 Pavel A. Chekov is born.
2176 Dr. Adams reforms the penal system.
2176 Governor Kodos orders the execution of 4000 colonists on Tarsus 4.
2176 First Earth ship is lost to unknown cause in star cluster NCG-321.
2177 Lenore Kodos is born.
2179 Charlie Evans is born.
2179 Spock elects to join the Academy.
2181 Civilian Kirk meets Mitchell.
2182 Charlie Evans is marooned on Thasus.
2182 James T. Kirk enters Academy. Kirk meets Ruth.
2184 Dr. McCoy meets Nancy.
2184 Captain Pike commands USS Enterprise.
2185 Ensign Kirk is promoted to Lieutenant.
2185 Lt. Kirk surveys a planet.
2186 Dr. McCoy and Nancy end a two-year relationship.
2186 Lt. Kirk graduates.
2187 Karidan Company of players is formed.
2187 USS Farrugut is attacked with the loss of 1/2 her crew.
2191 Archaeological excavations are started by Robert Crater on M-113.
2191 Dr. Korby leads archaeological expedition to Exo 3.
2191 Officer Spock meets Leila Kalomi.
2191 Officer Kirk meets Janice Wallace.
2191 Cyrano Jones first works as an asteriod prospector.
2191 SS Beagle lost.
2193 Mining operations begin on Rigel 12.
2193 Nancy Crater is killed.
2193 Captain Kirk meets Officer Ariel Shaw.
2193 Elias Sandoval leads an expedition to the Omnicron Theta Star System.
2193 Spock visits Vulcan.
2195 Shipments from M-113 decreased in volume.
2195 Ingraham B is attacked.
2195 to 2200 Series
2197 U.F.P. is formally founded.
2200 Yonada, a Fabrini ship, arrives at destination.
There are several disparities between this chronology-the innovation of warp drive and its relation to the Eugenics War, the founding of the U.F.P., etc-to the later chronology as established by canon.
This proves I think that the later series have damaged the canonicity of the first series. The coming series, Enterprise, will add damage to the canonicity of the first series and will not be the series that started the damaging. TNG is the first series to do damage.
I think the above proves that no matter how hard you try, Trek is a television show, and like every other television show will make self-contradictions and be unclear etc. etc. whether Roddenberry, Braga or JMS writes it. (The horror, the horror...)
The thing is, the fans of most other television shows don't let this bother them. Strangely enough, many Trek fans can't seem to fathom this ability. Poor things.
[ June 17, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
One of the criticisms leveled at Enterprise is that the show will damage facts as established in the first series.
I created a history derived solely from material in the series. And then I compared off-screen the information to the established on-screen chronology of the later series. They don't match at several points. The damage that many fans believe will come from the next series has already occured. This is a fact.
I don't believe that we will see or hear references to U.E.S.P.A.. I do believe they will create a new agency for the SS Enterprise.
Still...
Just what is that timeline based on? The current year was never mentioned in TOS. And the general terms they used to describe the year changed rather drastically episode to episode. Going by different quotes, TOS could have been set anywhere from the 21st century to the 29th!
And, specifically:
"According to that series, the United Federation of Planets was a new creation by the second or third year of the USS Enterprise's mission. Before that year, the U.F.P. was preceded by Earth's U.E.S.P.A. and other planets' navies."
Where on Earth have you got that from? For one thing, Starfleet and the Federation was mentioned in season 1. I'm sure it was actually mentioned before Tomorrow is Yesterday, which was the last mention of UESPA (to my knowledge, UESPA was mentioned exactly twice. Tomorrow is Yesterday, and Charlie X). When was the creation of the UFP ever mentioned? When was it said it occured during the third year of the original series?
As an aside, when , er, Blish, Bush, that guy who did all the novellettes of episodes (you know, HIM), did Tomorrow is Yesterday, he changed Kirk's line:
TV: "Our governing authority is the United Earth Space Prope Agency"
"Earth...Space?"
Novel: "Our governing authority is the United Federation of Planets"
"Federation of...planets?"
Since the novels were officially authorized by GR and others on the staff, I guess that they apporved the change.
And, as another aside, have you ever read that Making Of Star Trek book by Steven E Whitfield? There are large chunks of the original series bible in it. And, apart from the proposal (which mentioned that the date would be kept vague), all the text placed TOS as occurring in the 23rd century. And this book was written in 1968, so it predates ALL time-lines, official and fan.
And to confuse things more, there is also something/someone called "COMSOL, Starfleet Command", which gave Commodore Mendez an order...
[ June 17, 2001: Message edited by: Harry ]
Perhaps each planet had the responsibility of building its own small fleet, and the mainline exploration ships were placed under Earth's jurisdiction for the sake of simplicity.
But TOS was indeed set in the 2260s, due to references to 'a hundred and four years ago' (I think it was) in Trials and Tribble-ations.
But that's a hell of a spot by Harry, I have JPEGS of all the plaques and I NEVER noticed that there was indeed a UESPA division involved in the Enterprise-B construction/development.
"[Kirk} never told you how the Enterprise
picked up the Botany Bay, lost in
space from the year nineteen-
ninety-six, myself and the ship's company in cryogenic freeze?"
The clear indication of the year 1996 cannot possibly be ignored here. Do these people that try to make up their own canon say Khan suffered some kind of amnesia, or a form of bizarre mental affliction that makes him involuntarily subtract 50 years from every date he mentions??
Sorry, but bullshit.
Sometimes information changes. Kirk gets stuck with Tiberius instead of Roderick. Starfleet takes control from the Grand United Earth Fleet of Might and Glory. And, in the "reality" of the show, Kirk was always T., and Starfleet was around long before he commanded the Enterprise.
Er, if we're taking the dedication plaques as cannon now, then Okuda, Sternbach, and a few others, are over 100 years old, since they seemed to have worked on the Ent-B AND D.
A certain top brass Starfleet officer called 'Gene Roddenberry' worked on various starship projects such as the USS Defiant, USS Enterprise-B, USS Enterprise-D, USS Prometheus, USS Sao Paulo, USS Sutherland, USS Valiant, USS Voyager, and probably others - all spanning more than a century. Damn that guy gets around.
"Where No Man Has Gone Before"
Chapter 3-Extra Sensory Power
Lt. Cmdr. Gary Mitchell:
"The Nightingale Woman, written by Tarbolde of the Canopus Planet back in 1996. It's funny you picked that one doctor."
Dr. Dehner: "Why?"
Lt. Cmdr. Gary Mitchell: "That is one of the most passionate love sonnets of the past couple of centuries."
This date, 1996, is confirmed by "Space Seed". Other episodes-"Shore Leave", "Tomorrow is Yesterday", and "The Savage Curtain"-confirmed that the series takes place in the late 22nd century.
As for the other comment related to dating, here it is-
"The Squire of Gothos"
Chapter 2-General Trelane
Lt. Cmdr. Jaeger: "Note the period, Captain. 900 light years from Earth. It's what be seen through a viewing scope if it were powerful enough."
The period that Jaeger mentioned in his conversation with Captain Kirk is never identified by Jaeger. So, we don't have a beginning year. Example, if the Napoleonic Period is identified, then we can add 900 to 1800 and get 2700. Since we don't have this critical piece of information, the information is not relevant to dating, rather it is relevant to the distance between Earth and Gothos.
I didn't include every piece of historical dates from the first series. Dates missing are the dual between Hamilton and Burr, Napoleon's reign, the laws of Hammurabi, the laws of Moses, etc.
Furthermore, I omitted certain dates that I see on other web sites. These are from "Miri", "The Return of the Archons", and "The Apple". In each of these episodes, the crew was speculating as to the dating of events. In each and every case, the inhabitants were ignorant of the dates of the events.
And after watching the episodes, I did see a pattern with Captain Kirk. If another officer suggested the dating of an event, Captain Kirk accepted the dating without question. An exception to this is if Captain Kirk suggested the date, as in "Space Seed" for the DY-100 Class ships, where he is reciting from memory.
And a further note, before I list my sources. In "Journey to Babel", Surak's age is given in Vulcan years.
List of episodes with dateable events:
"The Cage"
"Where No Man Has Gone Before"
"The Corbomite Maneuver"
"The Man Trap"
"Charlie X"
"Balance of Terror"
"What Are Little Girls Made Of?"
"Dagger of the Mind"
"The Conscience of the King"
"The Galileo Seven"
"Court Martial"
"The Menagerie, Part 1"
"Shore Leave"
"The Squire of Gothos"
"Tomorrow is Yesterday"
"The Return of the Archons"
"A Taste of Armageddon"
"Space Seed"
"This Side of Paradise"
"The Devil in the Dark"
"The City on the Edge of Forever"
"Operation--Annihilate!"
"Metamorphosis"
"Who Mourns for Adonais?"
"Amok Time"
"Wolf in the Fold"
"The Changeling"
"The Deadly Years"
"The Trouble with Tribbles"
"Bread and Circuses"
"Journey to Babel"
"A Private Little War"
"Obsession"
"A Piece of the Action"
"By Any Other Name"
"Return to Tomorrow"
"Patterns of Force"
"The Ultimate Computer"
"The Omega Glory"
"Assignment: Earth"
"Spectre of the Gun"
"The Enterprise Incident"
"Spock's Brain"
"For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"
"Plato's Stepchildren"
"That Which Survives"
"Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"
"The Lights of Zetar"
"Requiem for Methuselah"
"The Savage Curtain"
"All Our Yesterdays"
On an endnote,
Every timeline is an interpretation of the canonical facts as presented to us. There is no right or wrong timeline. 
[ June 18, 2001: Message edited by: targetemployee ]
"The period that Jaeger mentioned in his conversation with Captain Kirk is never identified by Jaeger. So, we don't have a beginning year. Example, if the Napoleonic Period is identified, then we can add 900 to 1800 and get 2700. Since we don't have this critical piece of information, the information is not relevant to dating, rather it is relevant to the distance between Earth and Gothos."
From what I remember, it is heavily implied that Trelane is viewing the Napoleonic age. I haven't seen the episode in a while, but you can probably work out start and end ranges. Still, for TOS to have been in either the 23rd or 22nd centuries, Trelance would have to have been watching either the 13th or 14th centuries, and both of them seem wrong.
And, to my knowledge, the first "future" date we are given is in Star Trek II, when McCoy gives Kirk his 2285 Romulan Ale. Which rather heavily implies than ST II is set after 2285. I do really doubt that TOS took place over 86 years before that film.
I will grant you, there are a fair few episodes that throw out "two hundred years ago" when referring to the (then) present day. But there are others that imply much smaller and greater distances. And the TOS writer's bible did say that the show was set in the 23rd century. So, you can either take some evidence from the show, and run with that, or you can take other evidence, and go with TBTB. And future episodes are slightly more likely to stick to that.
I feel that after reading the posts that responded to my initial and follow-up posts that not every word was read.
This timeline is based on those events and using the most consistent dating system as found in the first series. I didn't use the later series or movies for this timeline.
I hope this last point is clear. :sigh:
Still, I'd like to always combine TOS with the TOS movies when doing the timing thing. Using TOS as a standalone isn't such a good idea because it never paid strict attention to timelines by itself - timing only became an issue when the Trek universe was expanded. And the references that best nail down the TOS era seem to come from the TOS movies, like the Romulan ale date or the references to 15 years of Khan's shore leave etc.
One can of course construct relatively logical timelines out of TOS alone, but the references to TOS being exactly 200 years past the late 1900s are very few - Kirk's "just about right" for the 200yr reference in "Tomorrow is Yesterday", or Mitchell's "a couple of hundred years ago" reference in "WNMHGB" could just as easily be taken to confirm the 300 year figure that was later made official. Only "Space Seed" really seems to have a good solid 200yr reference - and it's counterbalanced by that *relatively* solid 900yr reference in "Squire of Gothos". This sort of thing just yells for additional material for clarification, and the TOS movies provide it nicely.
Timo Saloniemi