[ June 27, 2001: Message edited by: MIB ]
There are seven years in a Star Trek series, except for the first which had three. So, knowing this, we have this information-
2151 to 2158 Enterprise
2161 Creation of the Federation.
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Awwwww sh*t!!! I wanted it to take place in the 2160s.
Anyway, who's to say the show has to move on a one-year to a season ratio? I mean, that tends to get followed out of convenience, but there's no real need for the series to end in 2158.
On the other hand, there are even advantages to not having the series encompass the foundation of the Federation.
[ June 27, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
Now *that* would be cool. And a possible lead-in to a sequel series.
Mark
Anybody note how Bakula called Archer's ship "the first starship"? I hope the writers are not going to use that terminology, for obvious reasons!
Timo Saloniemi
So it's 2151 to 2157. Sorry for being pedantic.
S. 1
Year 2151 to 2152
S. 2
2152 to 2153
S. 3
2153 to 2154
S. 4
2154 to 2155
S. 5
2155 to 2156
S. 6
2156 to 2157
S. 7
2157 to 2158
S. 1
Year 2151 to 2152
S. 2
2152 to 2153
S. 3
2153 to 2154
S. 4
2154 to 2155
S. 5
2155 to 2156
S. 6
2156 to 2157
S. 7
2157 to 2158
I am reading talk of a movie. Let's keep our expectations in check. A movie will be dependent on the financial success or failure of the series.
Remember Mr. Mudd in one of the first episodes? "I didn't know you were a star-ship!"
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"Even if you don't know Star Trek and you haven't followed the other series this is basically the first one, so you don't need to come to it with lots of lore in terms of what Star Trek is or was."
This just means "Screw continuity", right?
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'Even if you don't know Star Trek and you haven't followed the other series this is basically the first one, so you don't need to come to it with lots of lore in terms of what Star Trek is or was.'
No. It means "accessible to non Star Trek fans".
For fucks sake, are we at the point where they can't say anything without it being interpreted as "we're ignoring continuity just to spite you".
Of course this also coinsides with my transformation from Trekkie back to normal Scifi / Story fan. I'm no longer obsessed with the nuts and bolts of stories , I've stepped back and i can look at the big picture.
The old me would be like some , obsessing over this warp scale and all this stuff but i figured out its better to just sit back and watch the episodes and enjoy them.
I know its not what we all have in mind as Trek but times have changed and for this series to survive it has to modernize and attempt to slip itself into the main stream. Sci-Fi as a genre on television is something relegated to cable networks , to get a Sci-Fi show to survive on network television and seriously compete with these reality shows it has to change to fit today.
I figure if the writers can manage to change the show to fit today and still keep some of the original trek they've really done something.
On a Side note , there having a Quantum Leap Marathon on the Sci-fi Channel , see your new Captain in action.
"Can the first post be deleted?"
Yes. But CC likes double-posts, so he won't allow it.
The Earth-Romulan War started in 2157. That would mean it started in Enterprise's final season. Now, this could be good or bad:
Good - We see the beginning of the war toward the end of Enterprise, and leave a huge battle and whatnot for a movie
Bad - Enterprise changes the date of the war until later OR they start the war and then just end the series.
It appears we're gonna get something similar to DS9 again...
Now that I've thought of an appropriate response.
Changing the makeup of Star Trek just to bring in new fans will alienate the true fans. I don't care if they do it to spite us on purpose or not, it's what they are doing anyway. Intention or not, that's not the issue... it's what they're doing--- It started in TNG [soon after Gene left] but wasn't that obvious, DS9 continued but straightened itself up, VGR lost it and kept going down hill. Which leads us to now--- It would take a sign from Heaven for me to believe otherwise, there's too much against them already.
Paramount's goal is to produce a successful show. It's goal is not to carry out some sort of percieved vendetta against anyone.
Whether the 20% (at absolute most) of the audience that's talking about it on the internet likes the show is largely irrelevant to the bottom line. If you're relying entirely on the cult audience, you get B5-level ratings, which simply won't cover the enormous costs of making Star Trek to the production standards we demand.
That said, at the very most a third of the online audience has serious serious issues with Enterprise, from what most polls have tended to imply lately. In the parlance of Hollywood, fuck them. A 6% hit on the viewing audience is nothing.
Perhaps criticism of Berman and Braga might be somewhat more reasoned if one comprehends that a non-cult audience is hardly a substandard audience. Indeed, the ability to cause people concerned more with holistic quality than whether or not a ship appeared on a display in TMP to tune in, reflects, in many ways, a higher-grade series.
And let's not get into the "fans don't know what makes good television" argument, because it has been, to be frank, proven true time and time again. Witness the fan backlash over TWOK, TNG and DS9 and the resulting proof that most of TPTB decisions made in each case were most certainly good ones. Witness the fact that Trek fanfic is by and large shit because the authors care more about playing off continuity hooks and advancing their own personal interpretations of the events of episode XXX than telling a good story. Witness the fact that awards handed out by horny fanboy voting at the Hugos rarely fall in-line with what should be the winner if one goes on critical-acclaim and/or popularity with the general population. Witness the fact that there even existed a campaign to make a Captain Sulu series, when anyone with a degree of taste could tell you that such a series would be dramatically doomed by an absolutely awful leading actor.
I won't even touch the comment about "true fans" with a ten meter pole. I think everyone has an idea how incredibly irritated that term makes me.