I'm gonna be finishing up a rough schematic later today.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Holy Hannah.
Looks like Hunter won the #2 Enterprise baby pool. He said June 29th, and sure enough...
Hunter, I officially bequeath you the title of "Doctor", for correctly estimating the date of the first pictures of the Pre-E. Congrats, Dr. Hunter!
Mark
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Don't be surprised if tomorrow you read that this image is false.
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
odd. Hannah is my girlfriends name.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
And to you, I'm sure she's divine.
Anyway, about the picture: I'm sure that the possibility exists that this could be some sort of interm design, but it's certainly *not* an Akira. The nacelles are all wrong, and the main hull only has have of the "catamaran" style. My though is that the extension aft of the saucer is solid, shaped like a "hump" atop the saucer section. The nacelles probably angle downwards, thus confirming the "upside-down" look purported by AICN.
The "hump" section will likely not contain the main deflector (if the ship actually has one). Instead, it may be integrated into a blister on the underside of the ship as on the Akira, or alternatively in a seperate pod. It'll be interesting to see how our hypothses pan out when official pictures are released.
Everyone remember when the first pic of the E-E was accidentally seen in an interview with Berman about "First Contact"? It wasn't a week before people had pretty accurate ships rendered in 3-D, based on a fuzzy top view. I'm sure the same will be with the Pre-E.
Mark
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
The way I see it, this ship is basically a TOS (not pre-TOS) Akira, which can't really be backdated so easily. Akira is a 24th C design because of its layout, not because of the curviness of its components. It's sort of like constructing a stealth fighter out of sticks and canvas and saying that it's a World War I fighter.
Like Akira, this ship seems to have to booms extending from the secondary hull connected to a rear pod, which is fairly small. There's clearly a space in that rear extension. My guess is that the nacelles are above the saucer, since the light from the left is on the inner surface of the starboard support. You can seem a hint of impulse emitters at the 135 and 225 degree positions (4:30 and 7:30). The front of the saucer also looks a bit squared off, so maybe something is buried up there.
We shall see if this is the real deal.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm having a hard time buying this. I mean, that is the Akira. Just at a very low level of detail. Maybe with different nacelles, but maybe not even that. I still agree with Scully.
Posted by 'DR'Hunter (Member # 611) on :
Mark Nguyen: Doctor heh? Nice to know my Cynicism in parmounts ability to keep a secret was justified. Now all I need is 161m for length and I've got the double
As for the image does it appear to have a spine running down the center of the Saucer? It could be a lighting effect exept there appears to be a slight v cutout at the neck?
Does anybody else think it wierd to be anylzing a logo?
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Analysing? No. Blowing it up so as to make analysing it easier? Yes.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well if you look at the fall of the 'shadow' or the light... the light is coming from our left... and casting a shadow - there are two large 'spindles' that stick out over the saucer section (their shadows are cast on the saucer section and not right next to them - but a bit further away suggesting height)
Also the light shows that the nacelles angle upwards...
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
I'm starting to agree with the original look at it. It's an Akira Class saucer with Constitution Class nacelles attached to it. At the same time the plaque beside it [Voyager production thing] should make it obvious that the plaque is a fake. I mean think about it, it wasn't until after Voyager's production ended that Enterprise had been dediced upon by TPTB.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Oh, I doubt that very much. Announced, perhaps.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Remember when Voyager was being made, TV Guide ran a preview? They had a supposed image of the ship, but it was different from the finalized Voyager. It had downturned nacelle pylons and different nacelles.
So I believe that right now the final design of the ship still isn't set in stone.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I duno about that. By this time, they've finished the pilot episode and are working on the subseqent ones. Assuming this follows established Treks, many of the sets will feature *some* kind of diagrams of the ship proper. I'm fairly certain that at this point, the ship design has been long since handed to both the set guys and the CGI guys. A wee bit of insight can be read here:
Regarding that argument, I feel that everyone should go and look at the diagrams of the Enterprise-B displayed on said ships bridge in Generations. Notice anything wrong?
Of course, that was a movie. But still, filming before the model's finished is not without precedent.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Or the E-E's in FC.
Posted by Mr. Christopher (Member # 71) on :
Or the E-C's in "Yesterday's Enterprise". Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Point being, that the weekly-use graphics won't stand up so easily to the constant scrutiny that we're garunteed to give it. Even if it's wrong in the pilot, odds are they'll fix it eventually. Everyone remember when the Converence room mural of Enterprises disappeared in TNG?
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Only to reappear in First Contact with Gold plated ERTL models.
Yah, I'd still like to see a close up of the model they had hanging there for the Ent C. I never did see a really clear shot of it. It did look very generic though.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
If the ship really looks like that, I will bomb the Paramount Studios.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Well, as cool as I already think it is, I'm gonna wait until a fully-rendeed view presents itself before rendering judgement. That way, I might get to save on some high explosives.
Mark
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The conference room murals disappeared when they redid the room for ST VI. I'm not sure why they didn't put them back up, considering the Ent-C model had been "wrong" for over a year by then.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
What did they use the room for in ST6? Was it the little mess hall that Scotty finds the boots in?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Yes.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Are you sure about that? I only remember them using the outer wall, not the sides or back.
Mark
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
wow... I thought a lot more people would like the oldish-Akira design. I'm looking forward to it.
Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
I think there is a good chance of it being cool.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Er Bernd, if it does look like that I'll help you. Can I light the fuse?
Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
I have a question about that set. In ST:IV, was the outer wall lined with windows? And if it was, how in the HELL did it get blown up when the torpedo was shot through the center of the primary hull? And please don't tell me "well, perhaps they were viewers."
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
Well, it looks like we won't have to wait long to find out exactly what the ship will look like... TrekToday says next week's TV Guide will have an official picture of it.
Posted by PopMaze (Member # 302) on :
Daniel, that was VI, not IV. And the real question is if the torpedo shot through the saucer from ventral to dorsal, how did the torpedo go through that room from the door on the left (the windows or whatever behind you) and pass through the room to the door on the right? It should have shot up from the deck!
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
I do like the idea of an older Akira style ship... but not in this era. The Phoenix, Friendship One, and the Daedalus Class all lead me to want every ship from this era to have a more rounded habitate area--- on all axes.
I'd prefer a sphere, or something a lot closer to a sphere than the design seen on the patch or in the gladitor render. I'd also prefer that the warp nacelles were closer to the Daedalus than the Constitution's.
[PS: Yes, I know the Daedalus isn't exactly official in design... I'm talking about the most accepted version.]
[ July 04, 2001: Message edited by: J ]
Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
I'm horrible with Roman numerals. (as you can see.) And that's also a VERY good question!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I don't see that much of a problem with it, J. In the 24th Century, we have the Olympic-class ships to worry about - they also have spherical sections.
I see no problem with ships of two main design paradigms - one with spherical primaries, one with saucers - and both existing simultaneously. However, to prve me right, I hope they *will* show a spherical-hulled earth ship in the series!
Mark
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Except that Olympic-class ships have never been shown to "officially" exist in our timeline.
Unless they were in an episode of Voyager that I missed.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Look up the USS Biko, it's a modern day ship and Olympic Class. Plus the NCC... but we need not get into that.
The reason I think that spherical hulls are necessary for these early ships are simple physical principals. It is much easier for the ship to stay together if it were a sphere instead of a saucer... especially since the SIF and IDF are in their infancy.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Unfortunately, in the episode it was shown in, the Biko was an Oberth.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Ok... what about the Noble?
I could have sworen there was an Olympic Class vessel on DS9 [no not the Olympia]. I thought it was the Biko but I checked and the Biko was from TNG.
In any case, if not for the fact that there were other Olympic Class vessels, named outside of the timeline episodes and because the NCC's all indicate a pre-TNG origin [something close to 2330's], I think the Olympic Class is real. The Pastuer was just an older vessel that was still being used [unlike an Explorer Type vessel Hospital ships aren't in that many dangerous situations nor do they need to be as advanced (when it comes to warp drive, weapons, sensors, etc)].
Only to reappear in First Contact with Gold plated ERTL models.