She is lovely
http://www.lcarscom.net/NX-01wp.jpg
Mark
By the way a few weeks ago, I said that I would wait until the show started that I would voice by opinion but this ship is just... plain shit.
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Originally posted by Matrix:
Its the worst ship design in Trek history. Whoever designed it was lazy that's all I have to say.
I wouldn't characterize John Eaves as lazy. I blame Rick Berman, Brannon Braga and the rest of TPTB. They have the final say on the design and I'm sure one of them, probably Berman, said "I really like the Akira design and nobody except those Trekkie dweebs would recognize it if we reused it."
BLUE WARP GRILLS?
But they appeared in the TNG era, and not the TOS era.
Not even in the movies too!!! Not even in Star Trek: Generations. And when they redid the TOS Enterprise in DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations", there was no "blue glow" coming from their engines.
Yet we see it here. Jesus, for once PLEASE if it is going to be from pre-TOS era, please PLEASE make it look like it IS one.......
But if this blue glow will be on the ship even when it is NOT in warp, well...... God help Brannon Braga and company.....
So someone please explain this anomaly to me?
Actually, that's a very interesting comment you just made, Vogon. I didn't really think about it until you said it, but you're absolutely right. There have been several instances of this show not being true to TOS but rather to the later shows (and no, I'm not going to list them because everyone already knows what I'm talking about).
It's almost starting to look like that five-year mission never really happened (hmmm...can anyone say "Animated Trek"?) 
[ July 13, 2001: Message edited by: Dukhat ]
As for the blue glow, we never did see E-nil actually gowing from impulse to warp, at least not an external shot of the nacelles. I take it that the indentations on the inside of either nacelle was where the blue flash would come from had we ever seen it.
In the later series though, like the DS9 battle sequences, we did see Excelsiors and Mirandas (Excelsiors I'm positive, Mirandas I'm 90% sure) with the blue glow at impulse.
Do ships use warp bubbles to maneuver at impulse? Does that make any sense or is it a stupid question?
In ST:TMP the E-Nil refit had a bluish glow on the inside grills of the nacelles whenever the ship went to warp (watch the last shot of the ship at the end of the film...the grilles are black until just an instant before she goes to warp...they turn on and ZOW!).
As to the E-D, Andy Probert told me he never intended the engines to glow all the time, only at warp. That's why the grilles were painted copperish (which you never really see because they're always glowing). But the FX people just shot the ship that way cause they liked the way it looks. He described that having the grilles glowing at sub-warp speed as as stupid as "having an F-16 on the tarmack with its wheels chocked and the afterburner on."
This really started with the Excelsior, but I'm getting pretty sick of it. Look at the texture on the top of the saucer just forward of the bridge. Notice how tiny those planels are. Some are smaller than the portholes. No one would build a ship out of 3x3 foot panels. It's a stupid and clumsy attempt to establish scale, and it's inconsistent with the much larger "Aztec" patterns surrounding.
Can't you see that we're trying to think of excuses not to like the Pre-E?
No I'm not being sarcastic, why?
[ July 13, 2001: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
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Dude, whose side are you on, anyway?Can't you see that we're trying to think of excuses not to like the Pre-E?
No I'm not being sarcastic, why?
Airing of opinions is one thing. Starting a crusade is another. In the nicest-possible Sol-ish way, get a life.
Why can't I see this picture anymore? "Unknown Host?" Buh?
[ July 14, 2001: Message edited by: Stingray ]
But, however, the Daedalus does not.
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Originally posted by TSN:
Well, technically speaking, the pictures of the Daedalus in the Encyclopedia suggest that the back ends glow blue.
Yes, and I submit that the whitish domes on the aft end of the series-version Constitution serve the same purpose... as well as the holes on the pilot-version Constitution. As a matter of fact, it would be cool if, at warp, the original series Enterprise's aft domes glowed blue-white. They could even "smear" as the film versions did.
I think we've settled the whole bluewarp grille thing pretty well. The E-nil has them. The Daedalus has them. The Phoenix has them. There's no technical reason why the Pre-E shouldn't have them. It's just a cosmetic thing that serves as one more little detail that makes the NX-01 look not quite as primitive as it should.
R U guys happy now?
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Why there was a Starfleet starship Enterprise before the E-nil?
Easy. The E-nil bore the name "USS Enterprise". The E-(-A) bears the name "SS Enterprise." Therefore, the E-D is the fifth to bear the name "USS Enterprise" but certainly not the fifth vehicle to have Enterprise in its name in any shape or form (because then you'd get into the space shuttle, the sailing ship, the Hoopliner etc.) The fact that they could be different Starfleets entirely is only reinforcement.
That's one thing they can't get around. That and the registry number.
Mim , get some episode names I wanna see those lines.
"Can't we shut up about this whole 'does the blue glow or not' crap and think about why wars are jumping around from one century to another and why there was a Starfleet starship Enterprise before the E-nil?"
No, we can't. If we have to shut up about nacelle glows, then you have to shut up about that other stuff. Gotta be fair...
"The E-(-A) bears the name 'SS Enterprise.'"
Well, according to the ship's hull, it's just "Enterprise", not "SS Enterprise".
Doc Obvious: Are you on my case again?! Man! Forget it, I'm too lazy. Go find the eps yourself. I can't believe you guys won't just admit that the whole frickin' series is just one big frickin' continuity error.
I'm going to bed. Talk to ya in the morning.
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Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
Oh, yeah. I don't think it's been confirmed yet that the present incarnation will be S.S. at all. If it's Starfleet than it should by all rights be U.S.S., but then again, that might turn out worse.
Actually, Paramount registered the term "S.S. Enterprise" with the PTO recently, suggesting it's official.
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Forget it, I'm too lazy. Go find the eps yourself.
Here's the first rule of debating: if you have a point to make you need to present the evidence that supports your argument. It is not your opponent's job to find the support for your argument; it's your opponent's job to find the evidence that contradicts and invalidates your argument. Of course, this could hardly be considered a debate, in which case, your failing to support your own conclusions attacks at your own credibility.
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I can't believe you guys won't just admit that the whole frickin' series is just one big frickin' continuity error.
Why should we admit that the series is going to be one big clusterfuck? The evidence that we have shows that the series is not violating continuity. Your argument for the new series being a continuity disaster is based on 1) your dislike of Berman and Braga, 2) dates for events that were assumptions made in the Chronology and Encyclopedia, and 3) the physical details such as set construction and ship design conflict with your sense of what is proper for the mid-22nd century.
I still maintain that most of you are being far too premature in your criticisms. Wait a few episodes (I suggest 6). By then we'll know. With few exceptions (Excalibur), it is impossible to judge a series before it airs.