Anyway, in the latest episode, we learn a very pertinent fact that violates previous Star Trek continuity.
For the first colonization mission outside of the Terran System, the mission planners were looking for a world that could be a home for humans. They didn't find a world within 20 light years of the system.
Why is this important?
In Star Trek lore, Alpha Centauri has been identified as a world where humans did create a colony. There are a few references to this system in Star Trek: "Tomorrow is Yesterday" and "Metamorphosis" are two examples. This system is 4 light years from the Terran System.
[This episode, "Terre Nova", has violated 'canon' in other ways, like the history of colonization by humans.]
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
It was never explicitly stated if Alpha Centauri was a colony or a world already inhabited by some race.
AC could've already been colonized by Vulcans, for example.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Or then colonized slightly AFTER Terra Nova, thanks to technologies that made colonization possible where it was initially considered to be impossible. Perhaps in the 2090s or so.
Still plenty of time for Cochrane to make a trip there and back at warp 2 or so and earn his nickname.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:[This episode, "Terre Nova", has violated 'canon' in other ways, like the history of colonization by humans.]
You mind explaining in more detail?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
woo-woo! woo-woo! Officer Snay has stopped a 'continuity mentioning' offender dead in his tracks. He tried to outrun him by saying 'canon' instead, but Snay saw through it.. looks like this perp is going to have to explain himself for implying that it is possible for ENT to violate canon!!! Good Job, cont-cops
He probably means the Voyager Mars-2103 quote
Posted by Alshrim (Member # 258) on :
I also remember reading the Novel, "Federations" which told the story of Cochrane's first Warp Flight.
Tho' it is a non-canon, it still made use of Alpha Centauri being the first colonized planet .. and that it was Cochrane that colonized it. This would have happen, circa 10 years before the Terra Nova expedition.
One could argue that the launch was done at the same time .. or around the same era... *Shrugs* Who am I to say..
[ October 25, 2001: Message edited by: Alshrim ]
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Oh, dear god, Mike, don't make a big deal over it!
I'm just wondering what makes Enterprise a violation. And speaking of which, since Enterprise takes place before TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY, doesn't that make them the violators?
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Bad boys, Bad boys. Whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do? / Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
Paramount Studios, CA: "We're answering a call about a possible timeline implausibility at this address. I guess maybe someone didn't feel like looking at the old scripts and just kind of put a date in there that sounded good. You know this isn't the first time we been out here..."
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
*pictures Brannon Braga in a wife beater answering the door the the writers offices*
'I didnt *BLEEP* do nothin'! what the *BLEEP*!?'
"Whoa, now calm down there son.."
Posted by Alshrim (Member # 258) on :
These stories are about the men and women of continuity enforcement. All suspect are innocent until prooven guilty. Parental Discretion IS ADVISED.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
It's a very bad habit that there are always "firsts" and "onlies" where it would have been sufficient to say that it was "early" or "one of few".
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
The habit started in the days of TOS, BTW. I'm rewatching all these eps on SCI-FI channel, and everything they encounter is new, nothing like they've seen before etc, etc. A cheap way to heighten drama.
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
I am going with the theory that Q got bored with the universe between ENT and TOS, and he changed the events that "happened", and got bored again between ST6:TUDC, and made everything twisted around (goodbye Eugenics Wars and Khan and hello WW3 and the post atomic horror). And that is why we never talk about the Eugenics Wars from TNG on.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jack_Crusher: I am going with the theory that Q got bored with the universe between ENT and TOS, and he changed the events that "happened", and got bored again between ST6:TUDC, and made everything twisted around (goodbye Eugenics Wars and Khan and hello WW3 and the post atomic horror). And that is why we never talk about the Eugenics Wars from TNG on.
And then Q changed things back to the TOS version so that the Eugenics Wars could be mentioned in "Dr. Bashir I Presume?" (DS9), right?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
200 years later than they were originally...
(And as much as I like Federation, trying to fit it into post First Contact continuity isn't the easiest job in the world.)
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
Actually, Ron Moore explicitly stated that "200 years" was a mistake, not a revision. He remembered Khan's "On Earth, 200 years ago, I was a prince." and forgot to add an extra century. Of course, he made a double mistake since Khan's own reference was off by a hundred years.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I know. But he said it. And if you believe that the Yamoto was NCC 1305-E, then you have to believe that the Eugenics wars happened in the 22nd century.
Personally, I don't believe anything. At all.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I dont really like when people believe in anything completely.. makes me wonder if its just because they are easy to fool
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"But he said it. And if you believe that the Yamoto was NCC 1305-E, then you have to believe that the Eugenics wars happened in the 22nd century."
But, by the same logic, anyone who believes 1305-E also has to believe that the wars happened in the 1990s and around the 2060s. This is where preference enters into it...
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
But Spock said that they were in 1992 But then DS9 said they were 100 years later And everything Harry Mudd says is a lie But if says he is lying, then he is telling the truth But he cannot, for everything he says is a lie! *smoke comes from ears (and other orifices)* CaptainMike unit 001 shuts down, CCRI custodial staff removes him from the computer lab...
