According to the close captioning for the new episode, the Ti'Mur is a Suurik Class ship. Without going into a debate, we heard some history of this class. The Ti'Mur is at least fifteen years old, as long as Captain Vanik has been commanding her. This implies the class is much older than the Ti'Mur.
Along with that ship, we learned of another class of Vulcan ship. Class is Mayomar, and the individual ship of that class is the Yayahal. This ship is at least three years old. There is a possibility, as the ship was in the Terran solar system and Archer was allowed aboard her, that the class is much older than the Suurik Class.
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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I think it is pretty obvious that the captioning was wrong and that they said Surak. Suurik just sounds like how Swedish Cook would pronounce it.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
According to Mark it's the Maymura-class ship Yarahla.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
So it's voting time: is this what the Surak class USS Zapata, a Starfleet vessel, would have looked like had we seen her in that TNG episode (was it "Clues"?)?
I could accept that Vulcan ships have far longer service lives than their human-built equivalents. I would also gladly accept a ship of this design sailing among the TNG vessels. Still, the connection is tenous at best - if the human-dominated Starfleet utilized that class name, why should they care if it was previously given to another class by the pre-UFP Vulcans? Couldn't they introduce it for a completely new class, assuming the UFP Starfleet had never employed a ship of the original Surak class before?
I still think all TNG-era Starfleet ships are in fact coming from the "human mold", with alien influences absorbed and assimilated but not allowed to dominate. That is, as far as frontline ships are concerned. Minor vessels could still be of local design, but any NCC-registered ship would bow to the apparent superior wisdom of using two nacelles instead of a big wheel.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Side remark: Is "Ti'Mur" still an accepted spelling, even if we disregard "Suurik"?
Should we accept that anything beginning with T and an apostrophe should be in the format of T'xxx, not Ty'yyy, and that the vessel in fact is named the T'Mur? Or should we say that the Vulcans named this vessel in honor of the great pacifist of Earth history, Timur Lenk (also known as Tamerlane), who stopped many a warrior from practicing his profession ever again...?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I think the only human thing the Vulcans could name their ship after at this point in time is "T'heysmell"...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It's not "Suurik", it's "Suurok" (Pronounced soo-ROCK). And personally, I'm gonna stick wth the latter to avoid confusion with the Starfleet Surak class (which I pronounce "suh-RAHK"). As for "Ti'Mur" vs. "T'Mur", due to the precendent of T'Something the latter would again be prefereable, no? I think we'll have to wait for a writer's chat or something to straighten this one out.
Mark
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Well, the T-apostrophe names can be pronounced either way. T'Pol and T'Pau were pronounced Tuh-PAHL and Tuh-POW but in the same episode T'Pring was pronounced TEE-Pring, so the phonetic TEE-Mur could be spelled T'Mur.
And the closed captioning is highly inconclusive for a positive spelling check. Just ask Commander Ryker from 'The Last Outpost' (as it appears on my tape which i just watched. I wont even pain you to hear some of the Tkon misspellings..)
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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Mind you, that was fifteen years ago. THey might be better now.
Mark
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
You mean like the "USS Lexicon"?
Personally, I believe that the T'Pau in "Unification" was Apollo-class, so I already think it's entirely possible that the humans would give their own names to Vulcan ships. Therefore, it seems to me that, even if this Surak class was used in the early days of the UFP, it may have had a different name. A later Surak class would still make sense, since SF wouldn't care that some early class had originally been called "Surak" by the Vulcans.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
quote:Quote: I think the only human thing the Vulcans could name their ship after at this point in time is "T'heysmell"...
They walked right past it, but I thought it was really funny, Harry...
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
Why name any old ship after Surak? Isn't there a traditional usage restriction of some kind? The name looks misspelled, but it most probably is Surok if not Suurok.
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
purhaps the Maymura is the class that landed on earth in 2063?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Or perhaps the Vulcans have had more than just two ship classes over the course of nearly a century...
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Archer didn't say anything that could have the spelling "Suurik". It's either Surok or Surak. Since the writers like to re-use things without thinking about it, it is most likely Surak. This wouldn't really be a continuity issue, although whoever conceived the name probably never heard of the Starfleet class of the same name.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Then again, would Starfleet care about naming a class of starship the same name given to a starship of another navy? I doubt it.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Not to mention that I'm pretty sure the SF Surak class was never mentioned on screen. It was an Encyclopedia thing, most likely off some obscure Okudagram.
