That German map in the first episode that is on the wall, that a few people were talking about. The Nazis have taken over the top-right of the USA - all the way up to the boarder with Canada. They were stopped in Canada?
Posted by F.G. (Member # 968) on :
Those PMS-y female Canadian-border officers would make any world dictator-hopeful turn, tuck tail and run...this, of course, is speaking from experience.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Maybe they couldn't drive in the snow.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Also likely that they signed a non-agression pact with Canada, or that Canada declared itself neutral or capitulated along with Britain.
There was huge fuss made about an American counterattack. Well, DUH... I mean, who the hell would take on a numerically superior force, and think they can get away with it after simply occupying their captial and NE states? As it stands, to occupy everything West of Germany AND THEN to come over to North America and invade, the Nazis MUST have had a substantially larger army than in "our" timeline, or else Vosk and company would have helped them out somehow, as I've posited before.
Mark
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
Or the Germans used USA Today weather maps to invade with and they didn't realise that Canada was there.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
Or they had already taken Canada and the maps are showing their progress into the U.S. only...
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Most likely, a majority of the American audience is unaware that Canada fought in World War II and therefore would not understand why the Nazis would've invaded Canada.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Or, it's just not important to the story. What does it matter what deployment plan the Nazis followed? The relevent part is that they're THERE. That's the situation the characters have to deal with. Most people aren't interested in hearing a tactical analysis of how it happened. That isn't what the story is about.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Yeah, but who on this board qualifies as "most people", anyway?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
According to part II, Britain was taken, so one could assume that its colonies may have gone the same way.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
If Canada was taken, wouldn't they be coming in all over the Northern US though?
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: According to part II, Britain was taken, so one could assume that its colonies may have gone the same way.
Why? They're not continentally contiguous and in real life the Nazis didn't do that to French or Dutch colonies. In any case, Canada was a Dominion with it's own foreign policy by then.
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
Depending on what year this was supposted to have taken place, consider that Canada was not as easy to take as the US. Canada during the war had up to a million man army, 4th largest Navy, and a 250,000 strong Airforce. Now consider that there is only one real way to take Canada from Europe, up the St. Lawrence, a very narrow channel guarded by the 4th largest Navy, a million plus men and a considerable airforce. Not so easy pickings. If this took place pre 1941, then the USA would have been not prepared for war yet, whereas the Canadians had already had a battle hardened force with which the Nazi would have to contend. The USA also has a very wide seaboard for landing spots, making it easier to invade.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Of course, this was an alternate timeline and things may have bbe different.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Apparently the shift took place in 1916 with a failed October Revolution, so anything regarding Canada would have pretty much been the same.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
They never said that was the ONLY change. But again, I don't think it matters.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Actually, if things began to diverge in 1916 already, then pretty much everything regarding WWII should be, as Douglas Adams puts it, "almost but not completely unlike"... You know the drill.
All aspects of military escalation of the world in the 1930s hinged on the exact outcome of WWI. Eliminating Communist Russia doesn't just eliminate Stalin's/Trotsky's Red Army (or enhance it, because Stalin never got to kill all the competent officers). It also affects the outcome of the Versailles peace, and may quite well negate the war reparations issue, defer the economic depression, erase the Washington Treaty from history...
...Meddling with 1916 may well mean that the best armed nation of the 1940s is Poland, and that it's France's anti-semitic militants who launch a genocidal invasion against sionist-communist Germany!
The whole 20th century is *precarious*. Any single assassination, invasion or nuking-of-capital-city mere two hundred years prior would have made negligible impact on world history. A single altered newspaper article in the 1900s would send history spinning out of control. Unless, of course, a whole army of time-traveling meddlers was steering it...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Of course, you're assuming that the Nazi timeline was the intended result. However, I got the impression that since Vosk was not responsible for the change, we don't know what the intended result was.
Indeed, if the intent was to simply throw off the founding of the Federation and destroy Daniel's group, as you point out, their enemy might have just randomly picked targets to assassinate at random and this was the unexpected but fortunate result.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
How is the presence of Evil Alien Nazis in the US a 'fortunate result'?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
It makes life hell for the apparently human-descended, Earth-affiliated Daniels. Hence, it's 'fortunate' for his enemy, be it Vosk or the party that killed Lenin.
The T(C)W combatants were hardly interested in whether the Nazis conquered Earth or not. To promote the chaos in pre-starflight Earth was the obvious goal of all of Daniels' enemies, and the Nazis simply were the handiest tool for that. Which is a bit illogical, though - the success of the Nazi movement hinged on individual people, and any temporal meddling would endanger those people and disqualify the Nazis as a power tool.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
When it furthers ones goals for world (galactic?) domination.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :