What about those sabre-toothed turtle guys in TMP? Those were Rigelians. And we also had Kaylar from "The Cage", and Bones' cabaret girls from Rigel II. And we know that the Rigelians from V are Vulcan-like people.
Oh well. Rigel is a fun place, and the more species calling themselves Rigelian, the better. Let's just hope that they aren't boring nose-piece aliens. Or Westmore-aliens made up of whatever scrap latex is lying around. I want a carefully designed alien...
Wait a minute. I forgot to comment on the most important ridiculous thing in these rumours: THE FOREHEADS.
My god. They are actually going to show us TOS-like Klingons for the rest of ENT!? I love this ridiculous sprint towards TOS!
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
So Worf didn't want to discuss that with Odo, Bashir, and O'Brien?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Well, if these spoilers are true then the plague was the Klingons' own doing. The fact that they created a plague that altered their physiology, and then it took them a good 200 years to fix that problem would probably be a sore spot.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
If this is all true, then I'm banking on the solution to this plague will take some time to implement (so we'll still see bumpy Klingons later on if necessary), and then some time to revoke by the time it's all done. Will it be that they won't find a cure until after TOS ends, and everyone's back to normal by the time of TMP?
Better than intentionally breeding and army of human-Hlingon hybrids, if you ask me...
Speculation has it that this will be Enterprise's last season barring a drastic increase in ratings (which aren't exactly materializing). Coto, with this in mind and basically free-reign over the show, is thus going full-speed to resolve as many of the ENT-TOS disparities as possible. Will he even try to rationalize the "boys only" captancies, or how bright colours and miniskirts will suddenly come back in vogue?
If this is the last Star Trek we'll see for a while, I'm quite satisfied we're going out on a river of fanboy spooge.
Mark
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I'm not sure I'm thrilled with *everything* being resolved or explained in Trek like this. Next thing you know they will take the time to actually show what a Breen looks like or explain why there is a coincidence between the Klingons and Romulans both having Birds-of-Prey.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I sure hope the Breen have weird CGIy faces.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Maybe those CGI aliens that attacked the ship back in season one and were never mentioned again were Breen.
"...or explain why there is a coincidence between the Klingons and Romulans both having Birds-of-Prey."
Yes, because naming a flying machine after a flying animal is surely something only one in a million billion trillion people would ever think of...
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
...which is really besides the point. Wise ass cracks aside, I was more referring to the whole scope of the backstory that the BoP was first a Romulan ship and since there seems to be this sudden need to write stories explaining things best left unexplored that and something equally unnecessary like showing the breen under the mask...or having Morn narrate an episode of DS9, seems to be an unnecessary, ya know?
The point is that there seems to be a sudden urgency to tie up each and every loose end in the Star Trek franchise in this season of Enterprise...and although they are good and interesting stories, thus far, they reek of desperation, in other words, you could almost say they are trying too hard - at least in my humble opinion - to fix everything in the ST universe. I'd rather see better character development of Hoshi, Mayweather and Phlox.
Then again, I think that stupid Klingon comment in "Trials...." should have never been made in the first place...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
That's because you have a heart made out of coal.
(But, come on, that was great, and any insistance that a great line needs to be passed over because of some at-best sketchy notion of consistancy is, to use a cliche, putting the cart before the horse. Or at least that's how I feel in this case.)
Re: Breen: I was being a bit facetious, but, were they to be unmasked, the stranger the better. However, to be nitpicky, the aliens Tim mentions have weirdo legs and bulbous heads, whereas the Breen seem to have normal humanoid bodies.
Now I would, in a wholly unironic way, like to see more of the Tholians.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...the Breen seem to have normal humanoid bodies."
Unless that's what they want you to think...
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
So with this Klingon "affliction", the big question they are going to need to answer is how they *all* get it being spread all over the quadrant and stuff...
..and yes, more Tholians...and I guess Orions and Tellarites would been a good choice, at least before tehy got into the Romulans. The Tellarites are supposed to be major players in the Federation and we have seen ZERO politics of that race.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Who says they *all* got it. We saw, what, maybe 30 Klingons total during the entire run of TOS? I doubt that's a signifant portion of their number.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
A biogenic plague that altered the whole Klingon species woul be expected to be common knowledge, surely? So of the people in that scene with Worf in "Trials. . ." - Odo, O'Brien and Bashir - you'd expect at least one of them to have heard about it, definitely Bashir for one.
If only one part of the race was affected that would make the episode more obscure, and adds to potential reasons why it's not discussed with outsiders. Especially if the Klingaugments were superior to ordinary Klingons (physically and/or mentally), or were looked down on by ordinary Klingons (from a caste/class/racial purity perspective), or both.
Remember that Dax - who knew the K-gang in the past when they would have been Klingaugments, and still knew them in the 'present' when they're ordinary Klingons - wasn't there for that scene, so we don't know what she knows about the episode. As an honourary Klingon she may know the full story but abide by the proscription against talking about it.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Who says they *all* got it. We saw, what, maybe 30 Klingons total during the entire run of TOS? I doubt that's a signifant portion of their number.
"Errand of Mercy". An entire invasion force landed on Organia. Clearly all Smoothies.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"Clearly"? I don't think we ever saw more than about 5 or 6 Klingons together at once, did we?
And even if we do assume that the invasion force numbered in the thousands, that's still a tiny percentage of their total population. Plus there could be additional reasons why the only Klingons Kirk ever met were smooth headed (perhaps they became dominant in the military, or some such).
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I challenge anyone to prove that the Tellarites have ever been described as a "major" Federation species outside of idle speculation from the 1970s.
(Not that I'd have any objection to showing them as such. But this is one of those things that people include within their own, uh, personal Star Trek view with seemingly little prompting from the show itself.)
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Kai Winn mentioned 'important' worlds such as Earth, Vulcan, Andor, Tellar and Berengaria didn't she?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Yeah. And it's basically been a given ever since the Star Trek Technical Manual (or possibly earlier). There was never any reason to disagree with those early speculations.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
But, as Simon said, there was never any reason to agree with them either. There has been one mention of them in the context of them being a major race in 38 years That hardly counts as defintive proof (and if you wanted to be picky, it wouldn't be that hard to argue that Terrarites don't come from Tellar).
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Tellarites were prominant enough to be represented on admitting Corridan to the Federation (TOS Journey to Babel).
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
They were one of 4 founding members of the Federation, that should speak for itself.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: But, as Simon said, there was never any reason to agree with them either. There has been one mention of them in the context of them being a major race in 38 years That hardly counts as defintive proof (and if you wanted to be picky, it wouldn't be that hard to argue that Terrarites don't come from Tellar).
You're right, the Terrarites probably come from Terrar.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"They were one of 4 founding members of the Federation, that should speak for itself."
Excuse me, sir, do you need directions? You look lost.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Well, traditionally, there are five founding members. Andor, Tellar, Vulcan, Earth and Alpha Centauri. Classic fandom has AC inhabited by Centaurians (some transplanted ancient Greeks or something). Canon has Alpha Centauri as an Earth colony. Extremely obscure semi-canon even has this colony (now independent) as a founding member of the Federation.
Err.. why are we talking about this?
We have to talk about KLINGON FOREHEADS. And Rigelians. But mostly about foreheads. Of Klingons.
They are going to dedicate 40 minutes of Star Trek to a forehead appliance.
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
How about an angle on the bi-racial thing. What if there WHERE two races on Q'onos, like Earth's Humans and Neanderthals. what if, maybe, Khaless was of the Neanderthal race and now, smooth headed klingons have plastic surgery, as infants, to maintain the appearance of the ideal warrior, so they don't get laughed at in school.
Just as circumcision gains and loses popularity, maybe the augmentation lost favor, in the TOS era.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheWoozle: How about an angle on the bi-racial thing. What if there WHERE two races on Q'onos, like Earth's Humans and Neanderthals. what if, maybe, Khaless was of the Neanderthal race and now, smooth headed klingons have plastic surgery, as infants, to maintain the appearance of the ideal warrior, so they don't get laughed at in school.
Just as circumcision gains and loses popularity, maybe the augmentation lost favor, in the TOS era.
Three words: Kang, Koloth & Kor
Posted by Defiantly Running About (Member # 1216) on :
.......who were smooth in TOS, and then, maybe, got their foreheads augmented after that when it became favourable again. In any case, why don't we all just shut up and hold our comments until they canonize something in Affliction??
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Excuse me?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: I challenge anyone to prove that the Tellarites have ever been described as a "major" Federation species outside of idle speculation from the 1970s.
(Not that I'd have any objection to showing them as such. But this is one of those things that people include within their own, uh, personal Star Trek view with seemingly little prompting from the show itself.)
quote:Originally posted by Harry: Well, traditionally, there are five founding members. Andor, Tellar, Vulcan, Earth and Alpha Centauri.
Come on. His post was, what, 6 posts above yours? Surely you can't have forgotten it already?
In any event, I'm not sure that Tellerites voting in "Journey to Babel" is any indication of whether they were a founding member anyway. Unless we're saying that only the founding members of the Federation get a say in who joins up or not (which seems a bit elitest).
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Talking about rampant fanboyishness and classic fandom, look here.
Sussman and Coto have read a LUG sourcebook on Andor. And they're going to use it for the Babel-arc later this season!
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Sure would be nice to see the "Federation Day" article used as a reference to elevate the idly speculated "5 Founders Theory" out of fandom and the world of pseudo-canon that it already belongs to.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
More evidence of 'offical posting' - Mike Sussman posted in that thread about the Andorians.