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Posted by Bones McCoy (Member # 1480) on :
 
Season 3 of ENT just started airing here, and so far, I'm not exceedingly impressed. Ok, to be fair, I haven't given it much of a chance, since I've only seen the first two episodes. But so far they've had the unspeakable 'Slutty T'pol', which is a whole other topic altogether.

But the thing that got to me was the brutality in these two episodes. The MACO's were bad enough, but they're at least credible, considering the nature of their mission. Not to mention the good storylines you could get between the violent and non-violent folks aboard the ship. But in 'Anomaly', Archer tortures someone? What the hell? And if that's not bad enough, all Reed does is half-whisper "Captain". No one tries to stop him, or even confronts him afterwards. Please, someone tell me it gets better. I don't wanna spend the rest of the season watching Archer prove how hard he is.
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
Well season 3 did show a darker side to Archer. He's not all that lovey-dovey as you've known him to be from season 1 and 2.
 

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
There are consequences to that, for sure. I didn't watch most of S3, but you definitely see him dealing with that in the first ep of S4 (since the vampire space nazis DID NOT HAPPEN).
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
(Snark volley removed.)
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Although it did perhaps go a bit too far, I rather liked that aspect of season three. One of the refreshing things about ENT was that there was the opportunity to show mankind at a time that wasn't quite so enlightened as Kirk's or Picard's. Plus, IMO, Star Trek *should* be about showing many different viewpoints, including uncomfortable or radical ones. (IDIC, yo!) After all, it isn't like Archer or his crew never questioned, debated, or were tormented by these decisions. And of course, the whole point of it was to get the AUDIENCE to think about these issues, which it obviously did.

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Superrobster (Member # 1363) on :
 
What the hell would you do if your planet was attacked by an alien race!?
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Sue them?
 

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Posted by Bones McCoy (Member # 1480) on :
 
Sure, I get it, I'd be pissed off too. The violence isn't what upset me. The fact that nobody objected to it is what bothered me.

I dunno. It just doesn't feel like Star Trek to me.
 

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Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
Star Trek is changing with the times. Or not. Which could be why its been cancelled... Who's going to watch the dren B&B pump out when there's better shows to watch like Battlestar Galactica and the Stargate shows? Eh? EH?!
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
With edgy fake swears, even.
 

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Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
I don't see what everyone's problem is with "fake swears." I mean, they get the point across and don't get censored. I doesn't make a goram difference. No ruttin way will the censors let any fraking swear words we use today on TV. But it would be pretty frelling drad if they did.
 

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
What if they're just swearing in another language? Your constant rant against it, for example, is 大象爆炸式的拉肚子.
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Because they are clearly ridiculous. I mean, if you don't think they're ridiculous, that's fine. We all enjoy things that other people think are ridiculous.

Also: "No ruttin way will the censors let any fraking swear words we use today on TV." So, you've never seen Nip/Tuck or The Shield or a host of programs on Comedy Central?

Seriously, I can't imagine not being bugged by fake swears.

And yet, why does everyone assume that my first comment was a rant, exactly? Battlestar Galactica and Firefly are two of my favorite science fiction TV shows, and, I'd argue, two of the best ever. (Well, moreso for Firefly.) And they're thick with fake swears.
 

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Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
 
Actually, I don't watch any of those shows. But swearing on TV is a New Thing and each commercial break is ended by an annoying "viewer discretion is advised" warning.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
The ones I find most annoying are the ones where they just take "fuck" and alter it slightly. FS's "frell", B5's "frag", BG's "frack", etc. It's just a dumb work-around.

I'm not so bothered by "Firefly", though. They actually put some effort into their "fake" swears (some of the Chinese ones aren't even technically fake, really). We can actually believe that there's some sort of linguistic evolution going on there. Rather than having hardened characters in the middle of firefights sounding like a twelve-year-old who's afraid his mom might hear him.
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Tim wins.
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
The only thing more annoying that TV fake swearing is when people Omega start Omega using Omega them Omega on Omega message Omega boards.

(I don't mind "Smeg" though. Partly because it's a comedy and partly because they mix it in with lots of real swear words. Likewise "Slag" on Beast Wars never bothered me, because it was a kids show so they couldn't get away with much. Plus it actually sounded half-way convinving (certainly better than the "altered 'fuck's that Simon mentioned.)(does that full stop go inside or outside the brackets?)(or that question mark? And should there have been a capital at the start there?))bongo)

This conversation has come up before. But it's a fairly interesting one, so continue.
 

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Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
 
Bones McCoy:

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But in 'Anomaly', Archer tortures someone? What the hell? And if that's not bad enough, all Reed does is half-whisper "Captain". No one tries to stop him, or even confronts him afterwards. Please, someone tell me it gets better. I don't wanna spend the rest of the season watching Archer prove how hard he is

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They're terrorists, the Captain has special powers of authorization when it comes to them. It's about freedom, man.

Didn't Janeway support the Repubsies back in the 90's?
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Thinking about it, "frag" becoming a swear word isn't totally ludicrous. Although was it around in it's popular "killing someone in a FPS" form when B5 started?

I would like to do a study and see if the same people who like fake swear words are the same people who say "heck" and write "ooh, I would like to tell that Michael Moore to f**k off I would." I would then eat the study.
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
With chips and sauce?
 

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Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
 
With crow.
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Father Ted's "FECK" is pretty good though. It's more powerful than fuck.
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
Recently, I've found myself making up lots of fake swear words. They're effective, get the point across, noone misunderstands me, and they go right over the heads of my one- and five-year olds.

(Of course, half the time I end up sounding like Yosemite Sam.)

B.J.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
"Frelling" (I'm almost positive) and "Fekt" were both around waaaay back in the mid-80's in a (really great) comic book called Alien Legion.
...along with several other colorful swears that have no obvious meanings like "Nikt!" and "Son of a Bospor" (a Bospor is a smelly and/or lazy/worthless alien species).

Oddly, by the second A.L. series, the charcaters used "bitch" on occasion, but "bospor" was a real insult!
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
I'm being grumpy today.

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Originally posted by Harry:
Father Ted's "FECK" is pretty good though. It's more powerful than fuck.

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Originally posted by B.J.:
Recently, I've found myself making up lots of fake swear words. They're effective, get the point across, noone misunderstands me, and they go right over the heads of my one- and five-year olds

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I dread to ask, but...examples?
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Why is 'cunt' the strongest swear word? I don't even know how it came about...
 

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Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
 
Although was it around in it's popular "killing someone in a FPS" form when B5 started?

B5 started in '93. ('94 if you conveniently ignore The Gathering, which I do, because it sucked. (At first.)) DOOM was released in '93. Connection!

(Of course, nobody ever just says "Haha, I fragged you!" in an FPS either. "Fuck yeah, I fucking fragged your fucking ass, bitch!" would be closer to the norm, so Garibaldi still used it the wrong way. The amateuristic little cunt.)

[ April 11, 2005, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: Cartman ]
 

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
 
Frack it you frelling bastards!

As the years go by though, what gets allowed on TV changes. Last week I was watching a movie on TBS in which Ray Liotta's character yells out "Bullshit!" No bleeping or bizarre editing. I don't have a problem with swearing on TV but it was surprising to hear it.

I think swearing should be allowed and let people determine if they want it or not. Isn't that what the V-chip is for? For example for shows that have swearing has the L code at the beginning, simply set your V-chip to disable that show.
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
I was surprised when Mark Green said "Shit" on his last episode of ER. Network television, primetime. It was totally appropriate for the scene, but it took me by surprise.
 

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Isn't that what the V-chip is for?

No, the v-chip is for being the stupidest thing ever. Have you ever watched one that tried to mute out bad words? Totally and utterly ineffective.
 

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Posted by Bones McCoy (Member # 1480) on :
 
Nim:

"They're terrorists, the Captain has special powers of authorization when it comes to them. It's about freedom, man."

QUE? Seriously?

Well, well. Next thing you know, they'll have a mini camp X-Ray aboard ship. Of course, they'll probably call it camp Z-Ray or something. (Totally different).
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Frelling thread. You see, I comically used a fake swear word there, after people expressed their disdane for them. It is exactly the same sort of comedic genius that compelles people to post after someone complains that only idiots use emoticons. Wit!

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Originally posted by Aban Rune:
Why is 'cunt' the strongest swear word? I don't even know how it came about...

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Originally posted by PsyLiam:
I remember reading somewhere that "cunt" is actually a replacement for an even stronger swear word that used to exist. Some sort of super-cunt. Imagine that. If you dare.

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