While I admit that Frakes and Sirtis have been restored to their TNG look to a believable degree (with at least one sporting a little TOO much makeup), I still hate the idea of putting them IN the TNG time frame. Ugh.
Mark
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Yeah, Frakes just looks silly with that much eye-liner on.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Oh my... Marina did do some crash dieting... It's too bad that Jolene Blalock never mentioned in her interview with Extra yesterday what will happen on the series finale. The only thing I learned was that she has a 5,000 sq foot house and a dog.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
That looks like a Kazon in the background of the pick with T'Pol and Shran...
Posted by Wee Bairns (Member # 1324) on :
While Marina does look like she's wearing ten pounds of makeup, Frakes looks remarkably good,especially from what he has looked like in the past...
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Ok... so we know for sure now that it's taking place in the 7th season based on Troi's duds. Any further speculation on what situation they're facing that prompts Riker to watch this recreation?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Someone mentioned something about it taking place during "Pegasus."
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
The TV Guide interview has Frakes confirming it occurs during the events of "The Pegasus", while Sirtis thought the episode had occured sometime during the first three seasons.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, at least it fits into this season's theme of pointless obscurity.
(BAM!)
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Is it me, or does Shran look like a pimp with his coat next to T'Pol?
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
And what exactly Kazon is doing there? Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
That may not be a Kazon. I had read somewhere that it's a different species.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hmmm... I think I'll need to whip out my tape of "The Pegasus" and try to figure out exactly where during that episode Riker had the time to blow half a day in the Holodeck.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
From memory and having a guess, I'd say it's just after the Enterprise has coated the asteroid containing the Pegasus in MAGICAL TECH FIELD. I seem to recall they then flew away for a while pretending to seach other asteroids.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I wish they did the flashback to ...All Good Things instead now.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
When did the uniforms change? I haven't watched Enterprise in a long time. I watched every episode until I joined the Navy half way through season 1 and only caught a couple random episodes since. I figure I'll catch up on syndication or DVD. The Starfleet uniforms look mostly the same except I noticed a new patch and shoulder straps...I can't remember if those have always been there.
As for the TNG part, they could have had it anytime after All Good Things... and Generations.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The uniforms changed JUST for the finale, adding a Starfleet patch, name tag, and completely pointless epaulets. The epaulets, albeit black ones, will be previewed in the Mirror Universe two-parter.
Mark
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Additional - new pics have been posted of the gang in their finale uniforms.
TRAVIS IS STILL AN ENSIGN. Man, do the secondary minority characters ever get a break...
Mark
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Where'd Phlox's hair go?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The same place as Travis' and Hosi's career's apparently. Hoshi is also still an Ensign. In All Good Things, at least we got a glimpse of a future where characters had actually continued to have a life and move on.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Why wouldn't T'Pol be in regulation uniform? She is part of the crew - no longer in the High Command - all it would do would make her feel left out - look at the ALIENS everyone - we'll dress them differently so we know they are aliens.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
And check out the new dress uniforms, not seen EVER and sorely lacking for official scenes on the show. Granted, NASA astronauts often show up to publicity functions in similar jumpsuits, but Starfleet would probably be better in diplomatics if they'd had these to begin with.
Mark
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
And why get them dirty then?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
How many official functions have been on Enterprise, though? I guess more this season, or at least the potential for more. (Keeping in mind my unfortunate ignorance in this regard.) But all I can think of is the launching ceremony in the pilot, and that's a case where the actual duty uniforms make sense, from a PR point of view.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
True... Perhaps diplomacy wasn't REALLY part of their mission, at least officially. Remember the whole Kreetassan thing with the chainsaws, though?
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, in that case Earth's official diplomatic dress code wouldn't have mattered. (For the captain, at least.)
But, I mean, the dress uniforms have never come out for meetings with alien heads of state in Star Trek. An oversight, perhaps, but there you are.
(Or maybe one of the oft-overlooked utopian aspects of the franchise is fashion that truly combines sleek formality with dressed-down comfort?)
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Bakula really has a very egg-shaped head.
Posted by Sasoriza (Member # 1273) on :
Re: the Riker-Troi appearance... Just my own "I wish they'd [did this]"... Instead of showing them in the TNG era, they should have had them on the Titan. Would have been a good way for Trek's producers to throw in a little extra post-Nemesis continuity as a parting shot before they sail off into the starfield... while matching the actors' ages. Also would have given us a glimpse into their now-married lives.
On another note, does anyone have or know where to find "IAMD" screen caps or just good hi-res images of the (CG) Tholian and the Gorn? I found some at Memory Alpha but I'd like more. Can anyone help??
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
You know, Frakes doesn't look all THAT bad. An interview suggested that they actually had to take the old costume in a bit...
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Looks like Riker *is* Chef. At least in this episode. Also appears that they're staying somewhat faithful to the formation of the Federation as seen by Archer via Daniels. Looks like the same room. Archer's even wearing a blue jacket. Seeing past Archer and Daniels standing in one of the alcoves would be sweet, but seeing as this is just a holodeck recreation and not the actual events, that seems unlikely.
And I'm sorry... but Sirtis will always look hot in uniform.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I have to grudgingly admit that the ending has a certain poetry to it. But that CGI Ent-D is shit.
And it looks as though we will get to see the Founding after all.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
More on that CGI Ent-D here. At least it's better than the one from DS9.
-MMoM Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Poetry or no, what I can't stomach is that using Riker and Troi for the finale, and making it all about Riker's decision takes away from the fact that this is Archer's story. I'llw ait and see how they do it... but I don't think I'm wrong.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Poor Mayweather and Hoshi...still ensigns after 10 years. Advancement in Starfleet is shit. After 10 years they ought to be LT or even LCDR's. Typically after 2 years an ENS is promoted to LTJG, 2 years later to LT.
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
10 years as Ensigns is just weird. My friend in the Navy is 33 and a LCDR (actually made it at 32) and was chief operations officer and then xo of a cruiser for a while. And that's pretty much how it usually goes. If he's ahead of the curve it isn't by too much. They should at least be LTs. And Reed should at least be a LCDR. Of course, it all depends if there are slots available for people of those ranks. Modern militaries don't promote if there isn't a position for that person to move into where that rank is appropriate.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Even more pics... This time of another guest character, dolled up to look new. I tells ya, ten years have NOT aged this old girl.
Um, yes... Mim posted that link on the last page But it does renew my curiosity as to exactly how prominently the Ent D will be displayed. I mean, what is this... and episode of The Next Generation?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Ah, my bad. But yes, it IS an epsiode of TNG. Manny Coto recently went on record that he considers the current Demons / Terra Prime story as the "real" finale, while TATV is more of a finale to the current era of television.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Good for Manny. They should've let him write the finale...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
So I hear that now that some people have seen the actual episode, they are not quite so harsh on it as they were before.
Anyway, one problem I think I have with it is that, while the Federation's formation might be important to Star Trek, we haven't been given any reason to think its important to these particular characters. I mean, the audience knows that this is the logical endpoint of the series, but none of the characters do. This will only be the second or third mention of anything like the Federation by characters who aren't from the future, and the first one just appeared last week.
In other words, it has the feel of something imposed by the weight of the franchise, rather than a story developed out of this show and these characters.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Right. Had the series gone on for another few years and the whole political alliance thing continued to build, this would have been a whole lot more resonant. As is, the finale should probably have focused on the end of the temporal cold war... too bad they already did away with that.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I guess they also wanted to show that the 24th century did indeed know about the NX-01's missions.
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