Hi Guys I was just looking at some pictures of the Defiant bridge and was wondering whatever happen to the bridge set of the 60s? I know or I think that Paul Allen has the captains chair but whatever became of rest of the set. Was it throw away or is it in storage somewhere and it has been forgotten? Thanks;-)
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Probably for the most part thrown away.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
That's what I thought, but in an interview discussing the Defiant bridge they mentioned that they still had the stuff they'd build for "Trials & Tribble-ations" and even "Relics", so I'm guessing they do keep it somewhere.
Except that with the show finished, they might have thrown everything. Who can say in these modern times of silicone arses?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Obviously I'm going by childhood memories, but I always thought that all sets, props, costumes etc. were deliberately destroyed except for a few pieces that were kept by crew members or found their way into the general Paramount/Desilu prop & costume stores.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
That's my fault for not reading the original post correctly.
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
I believe the Next Generation Companion says that the bridge for Relics was realized through a combination of fan-built set components and retouched photos of the original bridge set. I doubt that anyone back then would have seen such a bright future for one of many '60s sci-fi shows that was cancelled after a short run, so there wouldn't be much of a reason to keep the sets in storage.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I know. I thought he was asking if they've kept the new Defiant set up now. But he wasn't. So my post makes me look silly. Ignore it.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
For "Relics" they only built a small pie-section of the bridge, the rest was done using pics of the empty bridge (from "The Mark of Gideon" or summat) and a bluescreen. Not sure how much they did for "Trials and Tribble-ations."
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
I don't think Trials and Tribble-ations ever showed the bridge empty of the original '60s cast members. Wouldn't all footage of the bridge in that episode have been from The Trouble with Tribbles with the DS9 actors blue-screened in? I think they may have built some sets for the DS9 actors to interact with, but I don't think the bridge was one of them.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Dax was on the bridge at one point playing with consoles and Sisko was sitting in a chair IIRC. Or was that in the mess hall?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Sisko also gave Kirk a padd to sign...
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Certain aspects of the TOS sets were rebuilt... including an addition to the bridge piece built for TNG's "Relics" but more expanded. The section Dax and Sisko were in bascially was half the bridge, or close to it that was built.
Corridors, a turbolift, a Jeffries Tube, and the K-7 Bar were built also.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zefram: I don't think Trials and Tribble-ations ever showed the bridge empty of the original '60s cast members. Wouldn't all footage of the bridge in that episode have been from The Trouble with Tribbles with the DS9 actors blue-screened in? I think they may have built some sets for the DS9 actors to interact with, but I don't think the bridge was one of them.
Read what I wrote again. I was talking about "Relics." I said I didn't know what they did for "Trials and Tribble-ations."
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
I was aware that you were referring to "Relics". My post was in response to your statement that you weren't "sure how much they did for 'Trials and Tribble-ations.'" Unfortunately I ended up being wrong about DS9 not using a recreation of the Enterprise bridge. They sure did a good job of matching the original footage. The K-7 station and the Enterprise models (or were they CGI?) looked pretty darn good too. The only problem with the episode was that putting Dax in one of the TOS mini-skirt uniforms seemed to highlight the how silly a '60s style mini-skirt looks on an officer of what is suppose to be a 23rd century starship.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
The Sisko on the bridge with Kirk was a re-edit of the end of TOS "Mirror Mirror" with Sisko replacing the spot and actions performed by "our univers'" Marlena Moreau
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
His baldness also looked quite out of place.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
And especially his age - considering that he was posing as an ensign - even though "on a temporary assignment". Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
That's why he was posing as an lieutenant Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Zefram: The only problem with the episode was that putting Dax in one of the TOS mini-skirt uniforms seemed to highlight the how silly a '60s style mini-skirt looks on an officer of what is suppose to be a 23rd century starship.
Well, the whole episode was largely an exercise in sillyness. Or did you think that "and women wore less" was a serious comment highlighting subtle design differences between 23rd and 24th century costumes?
The models in that episode were all physical models (station, Enterprise and D7). I've no idea what happened to them, but I imagine that Greg Jien flies them around his house late at night.
[ April 19, 2005, 04:52 AM: Message edited by: PsyLiam ]
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
@Kazeite: really? I was absolutely sure he said something about being an ensign. Oh well, Alzheimer calling...
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I think Bashir called O'Brien "Ensign".
And I guess it wasn't so much Sisko's baldness that makes him look wierd in the TOS costume... I think it's more his goatee. The only TOS Starfleet officer who ever had facial hair, IIRC, was Mirror Spock.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Beards are not cool.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Shut your mouth.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
You are not cool.
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
quote:And I guess it wasn't so much Sisko's baldness that makes him look wierd in the TOS costume... I think it's more his goatee. The only TOS Starfleet officer who ever had facial hair, IIRC, was Mirror Spock.
There were a lot of reasons why Sisko looked out of place. First of all, how many times did we see a male hand something to Kirk to sign? It always seemed to be a blond or a brunette in a short blue mini-skirted uniform. Second, baldness and facial hair seemed completely absent on all Enterprise crewmembers. Third, although Star Trek was one of the most socially progressive programs of its time (the first interracial kiss on American television occurred on the show), besides Uhura there really weren't that many black crewmembers shown to be on the Enterprise.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
And someone like Spock, as executive officer, and with his memory, should have spotted he wasn't on the crew roster - even temporarily - at all.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
No, there weren't many black people on the Enterprise. But there were some, so it's not really enough for Sisko to stand out. Now if Tuvok had tried it, then yeah.
I'm more worried by the dirty, dirty looks Spock and Kirk give "Sisko" as he walks away. Dirty gay boys.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
There's also the fact that Brooks is quite a bit taller than Barbara Luna (even if the trick photography cut a few inches from him), and Shatner was looking at her chest to begin with. Do we now have to think Kirk has a belly fetish with black men or what?
We could always interpret Spock's look as one of mild suspicion at Sisko's identity. But the XO wasn't always completely up to date on the crew roster: "Norman" was able to infiltrate the ship easily enough...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
The real question that we now have to consider is by what galactic coincidence had Kirk and Spock responding in exactly the same way on two entirely seperate occasions.
Posted by wingsabre (Member # 1682) on :
They ususally destroy sets on every show that ends, but for Star Trek they save some sets and puts them in storage. If they don't i think they now try to update the blueprints for star trek stuff cuz you never know when they'll need it. They did destroy the enterprise d sets since it was clear to me that they did a poor job rebuilding it on "these are the voyages."
I know that they save the transporter sets every time since they are used in every show. The bridges are almost always destroyed.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Consumed by the nothing.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
They should NEVER had destroyed Ops or the Promenade - they were beautiful structures. Yes, yes I know storage costs money - but to see part of the promenade set being used in that hideous Tsunkatse episode of Voyager... that was just wrong. It was painted white.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by OnToMars: The real question that we now have to consider is by what galactic coincidence had Kirk and Spock responding in exactly the same way on two entirely seperate occasions.
I imagine it was the same spatial anomoly that caused Sulu to always turn around and look at the Captains Chair in exactly the same way, regardless of whether or not anyone was even sitting in it.
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