The third season of Enterprise is just being shown here in Japan, and I've only seen a few episodes of seasons 1 and 2. But I was wondering, did we ever find out who Future Guy was? Who was he?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
No clue. Go figure.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Very Minor Season 4 Spoilers Below...
What MinutiaeMan said. And, to expand on it a little, we'll never ever find out who the Shadowy Future Guy was. It's pretty obvious that Berman and Braga didn't have an idea or plan in place for revealing who it is, so we'll just have to be content with saying it was some dissatisfied person of an unknown faction from the 20-somethingth century. Plus, Manny Coto jetisoned the entire Temporal Cold War arc after resolving the Temporal War in the first couple of episodes of season four.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Gary Seven!
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: Plus, Manny Coto jetisoned the entire Temporal Cold War arc after resolving the Temporal War in the first couple of episodes of season four.
If you just mean that they didn't adress it again after that, then yes. But there was no "this never happened" retcon bullshit. (The TCW wasn't erased from ENT's history and it undoubtedly is still going on offscreen.)
-MMoM Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I think Daniels said it was cooling down, or something. But there were likely still some things happening. And in a sense, the TCW will always be going on since it's happening in a number of time frames.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I wonder if the Mirror Universe had a temporal cold war?
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
Alas, the only thing we ever found out about Future Guy was that he was (according to Daniels) from the 28th Century.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Humanity's time travel tech appears to steadily advance after the 24th century. Rasmussen's stolen time pod was from the 26th century, right? Though we never really found out if it was originally from Earth or not. In the 27th Century, Starfleet as both ships capable of creating temporal rifts and transporters capable of transporting people through time and space. Though the transportation is severely limited. In the 28th, possibly humans can project themselves through time without actually traveling there. And in the 29th century, humans apparently can roam space-time quite freely.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: If you just mean that they didn't adress it again after that, then yes. But there was no "this never happened" retcon bullshit. (The TCW wasn't erased from ENT's history and it undoubtedly is still going on offscreen.)
I didn't suggest that he had taken the stance that it never happened since "Storm Front" was on his watch. All I said was that it was removed from being the overall-spanning storyline.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Which in my opinion was a mistake. They knew the series would never make it until the founding of the Federation, even if it went 7 years. The TCW should've been the focus of the series until the end.
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Humanity's time travel tech appears to steadily advance after the 24th century. Rasmussen's stolen time pod was from the 26th century, right? Though we never really found out if it was originally from Earth or not. In the 27th Century, Starfleet as both ships capable of creating temporal rifts and transporters capable of transporting people through time and space. Though the transportation is severely limited. In the 28th, possibly humans can project themselves through time without actually traveling there. And in the 29th century, humans apparently can roam space-time quite freely.
Not quite. Braxton, along with his tools of the trade: temporal rifts and temporal transporters, are from the 29th Century. Daniels, with his ability to seemingly pop himself and others in and out of wherever and whenever he wants, is from the 31st Century.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Doh. You're right. Who was from the 27th century? Did they mention that one of the TCW factions was? Or was it Kal Dano and the Crystal of UberDoomyDoom?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Which in my opinion was a mistake. They knew the series would never make it until the founding of the Federation, even if it went 7 years. The TCW should've been the focus of the series until the end.
Well, nothing ever said one season had to equal one year, but you are right in that they should have picked the storyline, developed it, and stuck with it. They did one of the three. In the first season, there were, what, three episodes devoted to the temporal cold war? "Broken Bow", "Cold Front", and "Shockwave", right? I can't think of how many in seasons two and three there were since I missed a lot of episodes there.
Personally, I think Star Trek: Enterprise should have been about the founding of the Federation. Granted, that opens a whole new can of worms. Romulan Wars before or after the founding? Another Trek devoted to a war? Could the writers pull of political power plays like Babylon 5 and Battlestar Galactica have? Plus, in going that route you already know the ending: the Federation will be founded.
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: In the first season, there were, what, three episodes devoted to the temporal cold war? "Broken Bow", "Cold Front", and "Shockwave", right? I can't think of how many in seasons two and three there were since I missed a lot of episodes there.
Temporal Cold War Episodes
Season 1 "Broken Bow, Part I" "Broken Bow, Part II" "Cold Front" "Shockwave, Part I"
Season 2 "Shockwave, Part II" "Future Tense" "The Expanse"
Season 3 "Carpenter Street" "Azati Prime" "Zero Hour"
Season 4 "Storm Front, Part I" "Storm Front, Part II"
The sad thing is that (IMHO) all of the TCW episodes were at least of decent quality until the abomination that was the "Zero Hour" cliffhanger.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I agree that the should have originally been about the founding too. But once they made the pilot and chose the TCW as the arc for the show, they should've stuck with it and made the culmination of that story line the culmination of the show. If it also happened to tie in with the successful founding of the Federation, fine. It seems that that's what the TCW was trying to prevent anyway. Or it was at least one of its objectives. It's not like they'd be saying the events of Enterprise were the *only* stories to be told about the founding of the Federation.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Thanks, Krenim. So out of 98 episodes, only 12 featured the series main plotline. That's definitely not the way to develop and steer the story.
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: But once they made the pilot and chose the TCW as the arc for the show, they should've stuck with it and made the culmination of that story line the culmination of the show. If it also happened to tie in with the successful founding of the Federation, fine. It seems that that's what the TCW was trying to prevent anyway. Or it was at least one of its objectives.
Right, and I agree with you on that. They thought a bunch of different factions spread across time on the brink of war would be an interesting idea, and I agree it could have been (leaving aside the various headaches that time travel usually gives me). But they seriously dropped the ball on it, and we complained as such during the run of the show.
quote:It's not like they'd be saying the events of Enterprise were the *only* stories to be told about the founding of the Federation.
True, but for a good chunk of Enterprise's run, there was only one vessel capable of warp five; there were only two warp five ships for the duration of the show's run. A lot of the interesting stuff was happening "out there" where Enterprise (and later Columbia) was the only ship around. Granted, there was also some neat stuff going on around Earth with the anti-alien/human supremacy movements and some of the political maneuvering, and you wouldn't need a warp five ship for those stories.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I think the TCW as a main series arc could have been developed well while not focusing every other episode on it. Look at The X-Files. The main plot of the show was the alien invasion and conspiracy thing. But, especially early on, they only touched on it off and on.
Enterprise came back to it often, though probably not often enough. But it really needed a better send off than a season premiere "we're tired of this and have to wrap it up before we can move on to other things".
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Definitely. The temporal cold war didn't need to be a part of every episode, but it certainly should have been involved in more than just 13% (more or less) of the episodes.
Plus, the season premiere needed to be something like "we're tired of this and have to wrap it up before we can move on to other things. Like Hoshi and T'Pol wrestling in a kiddy pool filled with baby oil with Captain Hernandez and T'Pau refereeing."
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I knew that the TCW was going to be a big disappointment every since the episode future tense(tholians!) when I realized most of these episodes created more questions than answers. Basically the TCW failed because it became too complex a storyline to follow.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: I think the TCW as a main series arc could have been developed well while not focusing every other episode on it. Look at The X-Files. The main plot of the show was the alien invasion and conspiracy thing. But, especially early on, they only touched on it off and on.
And when they completely focused on it, it sucked ass in a way that even the most die-hard fan of the show could hardly stand.
Say what you will about Enterprise's final episode, it beat the fuck out of X-Files' end.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
There were more episodes that refered to it in some way than that. The one with the other guy from Quantum Leap. The one on Risa.
POSSIBLY MORE. (I don't know.)
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
And the entire Xindi arc was really an outgrowth of it as well, since the Xindi ended up having been manipulated by the Spherebuilders/Guardians/Trans-dimensional aliens---one of the factions in the TCW.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah...there are a couple of non TCW episodes where Archer gives T'Pol ribbing about the Vuclan Science geeks not believing in time-travel.
That's just some good continuity between episodes-take that TNG- you fuckers!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Say what you will about Enterprise's final episode, it beat the fuck out of X-Files' end.
Two things:
1. The X-Files ending was at the end of a series that should have finished 3 or 4 years earlier (Chris Carter was quoted as saying earlier on that the X-Files was only going to be made for 5 years), whereas Enterprise was just gaining ground and it would have been nice to have seen it have a full 7 year run.
2. What is it about the last episodes of series.
On tape somewhere I still have the final episode of The X-Files, Dark Angel *cough*Ally McBeal*cough* (HEY! It was good for the first 3 or 4 years. (When Robert Downy Junior left - it was shite) and Angel STILL to watch. Maybe not watching them makes me feel in the back of my mind they are still going!?!
I have Enterprise finale (actually last three episodes downloaded but not watched - that may have something to do that i've been fucking busy as lately!?!)
I have had - as of last night:
2 episodes of Dr. Who 1 episode of Family Guy 3 episodes of Enterprise 3 episodes of Battlestar Galactica 2 episodes of LOST and The Revenge of the Sith
to watch.
I've knocked off Dr. Who and Family Guy last night! All three episodes ROCKED!
Andrew
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Depends on which new Family Guy episode you're talking about. The first two of the new batch were pretty good, but I found the third one to be seriously lacking.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
My cable/internet at home is out till next friday- it was that or food/electricticty, so I've been reading some of the novels I've had piling up and building very nice models.
But....I'm going to see that Sith movie on Tuesday.
No one here shows Dr. Who so I'm fucked there- I'm always 800th in the que to download any of them on WinMx.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Maybe the problem is that you're using WinMX. I didn't even know it was still around.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
It's good for music, but not a lot else.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I've got several episodes of Oblongs and MST3K lately.
What's better in your opinion? I'm looking for spyware-free. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
At the moment, BitTorrent is still better, but we'll see how many of the sites survive the MPAA...
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
BT-EFNET seems to have gotten the chop. I think now that ENT is over, and if I can get to the end of the current season of 24, I'll be content enough to say it was good while it lasted.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I think WinMx is based in the UK- making any RIAA threats pointless.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I'm SO annyoed about BTEFNET going! OMG The PAIN, the PAIN of it all! Seriously though - it sucks. Still don't know why TV shows are deemed illegal. As someone put it on the isohunt forum TV torrents should fall under the Betamax ruling - or something. If it's 'taped' for private viewing - it's not illegal.
Bloody hell why don't the TV companies just friggin' seed their own shows - i'd be happy to download it with ads if it meant that I could watch it when it first came out! I would say it would be a more lucrative TV advertising market - you have a PARTICULAR audience that you can advertise to instead of trying to suss out who is ACTUALLY watching your shows.
I mean looking at the btefnet figures at times, Enterprise was up there in the 'download ratings' with "Lost", "24", "Joey" and "The OC"!
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"What's better in your opinion?"
DALnet.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
BTEFNet supposedly went down because of lack of money to keep paying for their server...
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Nope. MPAA got 'em. Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Bugger. ShunTV has gone too. Never did get round to getting the last few Clone Wars eps. . .
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The last episode of the Clone Wars explains Grievous' coughing.
Anyway - now I can't get onto isohunt! Or is that just server problems?
THIS SUCKS!
FUCK'N TV isn't the same as Music or Movies - just put the fuckin' ads in and let us continue to download and watch our favourite shows!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
isoHunt is working fine. Though, I'm pretty sure this converstion should stop short of discussing still extant sites...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Because the Evil Government Agencies specifically check here for what's hot in the world of filesharing?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, no. For one thing, government agencies aren't really involved (yet). But for Charles' sake, it would probably be best not to go out of our way to expedite (as opposed to merely advocating, which in my book is OK) activity that is, at least technically, legally actionable, and I say that as a wannabe hardcore open source culture warrior.
(Having said that: Usenet.)
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"hardcore open source culture warrior"
I bet you don't even run Linux, mister Sham.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, he did say "wannabe"...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The Ultimate Warrior would so kick your gay-faggot XP-using arse.
[ May 25, 2005, 01:55 AM: Message edited by: PsyLiam ]
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I don't know, I get the feeling he's pro-Microsoft.
And no, I don't run Linux. OpenOffice, though.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: The Ultimate Warrior would so kick your gay-faggot XP-using arse.
This from the one that claims anyone running XP with the Classic theme should be shot. Or something.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
They should be. Or at least piledrived through a table.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
My classic-themed XP Pro and I await your feeble attempt to try and piledrive me through a table, oh sexy, ginger-haired one.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
"Piledrived"? You mean "piledriven," surely.
[Eat your heart out, Nix]
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Using OpenOffice does not make you one of us free software warriors anymore than going to MacDonalds makes you a hamburger. Remember that, you closed-source betrayer of digital liberty.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Ooh, nerds talking tough, how strangely unterrifying.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Then bring it on, oh voice of the nature shows. Hit me with you're best shot! I'll reset your Windows to the Hamtaro theme before you even break my nose severely.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Oh, please, no, anything but that! And just for added insult, once I've taken your lunch money off you, I'll invest it in oppressive regimes overseas.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Ha! You can't take from me what the government already has! And that includes my digity!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Did they take all ten of your digities, or just one?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
No, I only had the one digity.
I had to eat the "n" this one time I was trapped in an elevator. It was either eat the "n" or eat the other passengers. That was the longest ten minutes of my life.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Do you people want me to shit in your beds? DO YOU?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
It depends. Will I get to see Lisa in "full effect"?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
No.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Then I oppose whatever it is we are talking about.
Posted by dbutler1986 (Member # 1689) on :
Here's MY question - if the TCW is happening at all those time points, how can it be 'cooling down'? It always has and always will be going on, if it's going on at different time frames. In fact, if you can travel to any point in time *at will*, then *everything* is 'always' happening...just a push of a button away. Time is like space - WWII may be a few years in the past, but that's just like Iraq is a few thousand miles that-a-way.
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