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Masao
Member # 232
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I was working on some Romulan ships of my own and looked to extant ships for design ideas. When examining the Klingon bird of prey, I couldn't quite figure out where the nacelles are supposed to be. They aren't out at the ends of the wings, where nacelles are usually placed in Romulan and Klingon designs. Most of the machinery at the center looks to be associated with the powerplant or impulse engines or both. So where are the nacelles?------------------ When you're in the Sol system, come visit the Starfleet Museum
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USS Vanguard
Member # 130
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Well, many ships don't have clear cut nacelles. Especially Cardassian Galors which may have something like "internal" nacelles. I've always assumed that the center fuselage of the BoP was where they kept the warp drive------------------ "I just want to set the record straight: I thought the officer was a prostitute"- Homer Simpson
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Hobbes
Member # 138
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The warp engine on a Bird-of-Prey is in the back of the ship between the wings.------------------ "Census volunteers injured in the line of duty, sadly no one knows how many." - The Daily Show. Federation Starship Datalink - New and improved Starship Database!
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Matrix
Member # 376
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Are you sure? I thought that is where the impulse engines are. If that is where the warp nacelles are then were is the impulse engines?------------------ It is better to walk the path of the devil than to be in the path of the devil. Though it still might not be the right path.
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AndrewR
Member # 44
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I think that the nacelles are indeed along either side of the 'fuselage' where the 'wings' start.I think the impulse engine is at the rear along with the nacelle's "vents" I guess like the Defiant... ------------------ "Neil says hi by the way" - Tear In Your Hand, Tori Amos
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Masao
Member # 232
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So, the warp field generator is just sort of "in there someplace" between the wings? Can it be identified on the surface? Is is a paired structure (like usual nacelles) or is it a large midline structure? If it is a midline structure, this is the only canon appearance of such a midline nacelle on a ship (I think). Are the nacelles perhaps the two paired humps back there? Did the designer forget them?------------------ When you're in the Sol system, come visit the Starfleet Museum
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Matrix
Member # 376
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I don' think a designer would forget to put nacelles on a starship that is supposed to take on Starfleet's ships when it was designed in the 23rd century. Maybe the impulse egines are somewhere in the wings.------------------ It is better to walk the path of the devil than to be in the path of the devil. Though it still might not be the right path.
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TSN
Member # 31
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Well, the Freedom just has the one nacelle in the middle...------------------ "I just measured him. He's about 21"." -Chris Martin, 14-Jul-2000
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AndrewR
Member # 44
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Well, the Freedom might have two rows of nacelle coils in the one nacelles 'casing'!?!------------------ "Neil says hi by the way" - Tear In Your Hand, Tori Amos
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TSN
Member # 31
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I really don't think that would make much of a difference in the warp field, so I doubt it.------------------ "I just measured him. He's about 21"." -Chris Martin, 14-Jul-2000
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Sol System
Member # 30
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I don't think there's ever been a canonical or even reliably semi-canonical answer to the BoP warp drive question. Perhaps something in the Fact Files or the Magazine?------------------ But the dead only quickly decay. They don't go about being born and reborn and rising and falling like souffle. The dead only quickly decay. -- Gothic Archies **** Read chapter one of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! For the love of God, Montressor!
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The_Tom
Member # 38
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I've seen an Okudagram reproduced somewhere in a book that showed a line of warp coils down the centreline of the ship, corresponding to that big glowy thing at the back. As for impulse... *shrug*------------------ "Truth about Santa Claus debunks Santa God. God evolves from Santa." -Gene Ray, http://www.timecube.com
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Masao
Member # 232
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I forgot about Freedom, but I was thinking more of a nacelle buried within the hull rather than on a support. Anyways, has anyone examined this BOP cutaway poster up close? Of course, it's non- (pseudo-, quasi-, semi-, para-) canon, but it's a lisenced product, at least. http://www.scipubtech.com/bofp/index.htm The picture on the site is too small to see any details. ------------------ When you're in the Sol system, come visit the Starfleet Museum
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Timo
Member # 245
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Well, at the very top of the aft hull, you can see three objects of purple and greenish-yellow color, arranged in a line from bow to stern. They look very, very much like a cutout view of a warp coil. If we suppose that there are further coils aft of the ones we see, then the cutout diagram perfectly matches the Okudagrams that show a single line of warp coils in the aft centerline.As for those Okudagrams... I guess they could have been drawn as early as for ST4 already (the first Okuda contribution of them all), or then only added for TNG Klingon eps, or even for DS9 "Blood Oath". In any case, one is reproduced in the Reeves-Stevens "Making of DS9" book. I gather the ship in question was one of the typical "midsize" BoPs, although it would be fun if the smallest BoPs had one row of coils while the bigger ones had two or three... Timo Saloniemi
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AndrewR
Member # 44
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Look at the red glow - then look either side there are some sort of 'Klingonesque' rectangular 'nacelles' protruding out the back... they look like Klingon nacelles - retangular and thin. Also the nacelles could be like the Defiant - with the red glow at the back the only evidence of the nacelles... like the blue glow at the back of the Defiant nacelles...I think even though there are nacelles and a red glow, the impulse engine is DEFINATELY that middle part... ------------------ "Neil says hi by the way" - Tear In Your Hand, Tori Amos
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Bernd
Member # 6
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The warp nacelles are supposed to be on either side of the impulse engine, according to the Fact Files. They also say that the ship would be more maneuverable if the nacelles are closer together, although I believe quite the opposite.------------------ "Species 5618, human. Warp-capable, origin grid 325, physiology inefficient, below average cranium capacity, minimum redundant systems, limited regenerative abilities." Ex Astris Scientia
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Hobbes
Member # 138
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Looking at the aft view of a BoP, I see the large red warp engine. I don't think it has nacelles in the traditional sense that we think of them. Below the red warp engine there's a row of small white-ish yellow boxes which I believe to be the impulse engine.------------------ "Census volunteers injured in the line of duty, sadly no one knows how many." - The Daily Show. Federation Starship Datalink - New and improved Starship Database!
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Timo
Member # 245
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That would be more consistent with the Okudagram that shows only one row of warp coils. Then again, the aft hull of the BoP is a mess in any case. One has to have a big cargo bay with room for two humpbacks, a warp engine, an impulse engine, an aft boarding ramp, landing legs, wing hinges, a transporter room and a main engineering room somewhere... And all these for the small roughly 80m (or even 60m going by the forward pod mock-up) BoP of ST3/4! For some ships, an aft-firing disruptor or torp launcher as well.Packing it all in would be a masterpiece of starship design to say the least. Or require TARDIS technology. Timo Saloniemi
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