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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bernd: [QB] Since I don't believe in warp highways and the distance to Deneb or Rigel is already a problem, I don't want to complicate it by saying that even a lot of space beyond it belongs to the Federation. The Federation can hardly claim a space where maybe 1 out of 100,000 star systems has an outpost or a starship drops by every few decades. The worst problem is that *all* episodes and movies suggest that Earth, Bajor, Cardassia, Ferenginar, Romulus and maybe also Kronos are very close to each other. I doubt warp highways would be used in all directions. They should play a very big role. Especially keeping in mind that Star Trek opponents keep on bashing the show because each and everything is explained ("See this isolytic metadisruptor. It works on a techobabbion discharge basis, and BTW, I will kill you with it.") I wonder how one can assume the existence of warp highways that are *never* mentioned. Striker: You mean shaped like a cylinder [IMG]http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif[/IMG]. Actually, I would have used an ellipsoid, but I was too lazy to get the geometry book. About the lateral extension vs. thickness of Federation space: The galaxy is about 1000ly thick. Make that 500ly for the interesting region with a considerable star densitity. If the Federation and its starships behaved like statistical particles, Federation space would be more or less a bullet. The lateral movement is somewhat more interesting, but why not explore and incorporate territories that are closer, but in vertical direction? If the Federation is 8000ly across, it would most likely occupy the whole thickness of 500ly. If it's only 200ly, I reckon the depth wouldn't be so much smaller than these 200ly. I was generous to assume only 50ly. Another approach: I have taken the values from Christian's famous list of known stars and calculated the averages and standard deviations from both the plane distances and the "heights" of the stars above the galactic plane. [URL=http://www.stdimension.de/int/Cartography/RealStars.htm]http://www.stdimension.de/int/Cartography/RealStars.htm[/URL] Plane distance av: 221ly stdv: 414ly Height: av: 90ly stdv: 106ly This shows that 1) a very very rough estimation for the diameter would be 400ly, taking the average distance as radius, and the height would be 180ly. This doesn't take into account that single stars are much farther away and it doesn't account for the many member planets whose positions are unknown. Anyway, this works much better than Picard's (pretentious) "8000ly across". Hey, he also made the E-E 15m longer! Definitely a "man-explains-technical-things-to-a-woman-effect". ;-) 2) irrespective of the absolute size this suggests that the diameter/height ratio of the Federation ellipsoid should be around 2.5. The high standard deviations are because most of the mentioned stars are very close (only a few lightyears), while other stars are very far away, and the latter contribute a lot to it. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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