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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Timo: [QB] About the huge Klingon freighters in "Sons and Daughters": I would support a size at least twice that of the Cardassian models. Special note should be made of the fact that we see a BoP and a Cardassian freighter next to each other in "Return to Grace", and a BoP and two Klingon freighters next to each other in "Sons and Daughters", establishing this size relationship. The behemoths in "Sons and Daughters" are clearly in the high 500m+ range (and thus the first truly big freighters seen so far, if we discount the waste barge from TNG "Final Mission). And to verify that both BoPs are of the same size, we see both Dukat's ship and the Rotarran (their identities are clearly defined by context) docked to DS9, using the same stock footage shots. Thus, the infamous BoP scaling debacle need not be evoked. Also note that the Klingon ships are not simply painted green. They also have added "nacelles" on the downcanted wings, and seem to have some extra stuff added to the bow. So that alleviates the "scaling problem" - the ships *are* of different designs. Luckily, there are no easily distinguishable scale-establishing features like portholes or docking ports on the ships, nor do we have any reason to assume that a standard "container" is being used. Those bumpy protrusions do not appear to be detachable containers at all, but simply fixed cargo holds (we even see the interior of one briefly in "Return to Grace"). I have no problem saying that the ships share a common origin. Perhaps the Cardassians stole Klingon ships in the old Betreka nebula conflict, or the Klingons stole Cardassian ships in the invasion of Cardassia, or in the Dominion war. But a common manufacturer still clearly produced two differently sized models. In fact, since both Cardassians and Klingons have been shown using the Merchantman model, I gather that some sharing took place there, too. And I suspect the Klingons were the original owners and manufacturers, at least until we hear of Cardassian presence near Earth in the timeframe of ST3... Timo Saloniemi [/QB][/QUOTE]
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