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Post A Reply Login Name: Password: Message: HTML is enabled. UBB Code™ is enabled. [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: [QB] I'll respond to [b]Guardian2000[/b]'s points first: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Guardian 2000: [qb]USS Ahwahnee . . . where do we have a registry number for the ship in "Redemption"? I saw no Cheyennes in Picard's fleet, and cannot fathom how a lower registry number could come from a replacement starship. USS Alka-Selsior . . . ugh. I would say that we should really not let in-jokes count for anything, but, on the other hand, this would serve to make the point that the ships lost at Wolf 359 were not left there. Obviously, they were salvaged, or left to rot at Qualor II. USS Carolina, NCC-160 . . . where does the registry come from, and the class? That would put a Daedalus in operation some 70 years after the class was retired, and short of some sort of replication of the Bozeman experience, I don't see how that could be possible. USS Centaur . . . though it used many Excelsior components, it was not an Excelsior any more than Reliant was a Constitution Class ship. USS Concorde . . . where is it mentioned or referred to in "All Good Things"? USS Constellation, NCC-1974 . . . would it not be prudent to assume that the Constellation from DS9 was not NCC-1974? Taking the example of the retired Hathaway (NCC-2593), I'd assume that the far older class-ship would have been retired. The only definitely known operational Constellation Class Starship was the Victory, which with a registry in the 9000 range, would put her as being far younger than the class ship, not much older than the Ambassador. USS Dauntless . . . why is she included, since she was an alien construct? Granted, that was a kickass alien construct, and I'd love to see that design actually used down the road, but still . . . USS Drake, Andromeda Class . . . what's an Andromeda? USS Gettysburg, NCC-3890 . . . did we see her in DS9, or was she only mentioned? If only mentioned, I'd assume, as with the Constellation, that the old ship had been retired. USS Hathaway . . . when/how was she mentioned/seen in "Redemption"? USS Intrepid, NCC-38907 . . . what was Geordi doing trying to beat out a far older starship in engine efficiency experiments? I assumed the Intrepid mentioned was another Galaxy Class. USS Magellan, Constellation Class . . . where does this come from in the episode? USS Melbourne . . . since we actually see her clearly in Emissary as an Excelsior, would this not then be the "reality" of the thing? USS Merrimack . . . the correct spelling is "Merrimac". USS Spector . . . should that be "Spectre"? USS Valiant, NCC-20000 . . . an Oberth Class Valiant? No way, dude. That is so wrong! "Let us bravely go study some big space fart or other gaseous anomaly!" :-) USS Voyager . . . Intrepid/Constitution variant . . . methinks we could safely ignore this one, or say it was some alien name like "Vovager" or something. I'm very much against starships of the same name serving simultaneously, especially when the registry would indicate that they were built around the same time. USS Yorktown, NCC-1717 . . . why the assumption that this is not the same ship as in "Flashback"[VGR]? Unnamed NCC-4000 . . . where does this registry come from? It's way out of time-synch. Guardian 2000[/qb][/QUOTE]1. The second [i]Ahwahnee[/i]'s reg is from an okudagaram from the episode showing the deployment of the tachyon detection grid. 2. Yes this is just an in-joke, but I threw it in anyway. :D Take it with a grain of salt. 3. The registry comes from the [i]Encyclopedia[/i], and while it does seem a bit of a stretch, people have rationalized explanations for how the [i]Carolina[/i] could be a Daedalus. Anyways, it was just a hoax by the Klingons, so I don't think we have to worry about it too much. 4. The [i]Centaur[/i] is officially an Excelsior-class starship variant, as per the DS9 Technical Manual. 5. As [b]TSN[/b] said, the [i]Concord[/i] was ordered to the Neutral Zone by Admiral Nakamura along with 15 other ships to investigate a Romulan military buildup. 6. No, I don't think there's any reason to think that the [i]Constellation[/i] is not the original. Primarily, for the same reason why there's no reason the [i]Excelsior[/i] from "Interface" can't be the same as from STIII. These ships last a long time. They may be overhauled many-times-over, and undergo countless systems upgrades throughout their service, but there's really no reason why the ship itself can't easily last up to a hundred years and possibly beyond. (This very subject is discussed in the TNG Technical Manual. The Galaxy-class was designed to last for that long.) If the [i]Constellation[/i] was a fairly new vessel (still carrying an NX- number and undergoing certification tests) in 2293 (at the time of TUC), I think it's perfectly plausible that it is still seeing duty in the early 2370's. 7. The [i]Dauntless[/i] is included simply because I of my conjecture that such a ship would in fact have to exist in order to have fooled the VGR crew so easily. It's probably not too solid, but I'd like to keep it there just for now. 8. The second [i]Drake[/i]'s information is in the [i]Encyclopedia[/i], originally from an okudagram. 9. See number 6. Same goes here. 10. A screencap of the "Redemption" ship done by [b]The Red Admiral[/b] showed it to be labeled with the [i]Hathaway[/i]'s registry number. This of course refutes the commonly-held notion that the ship in that episode was the [i]U.S.S. Valkyrie[/i]. 11. No, the second [i]Intrepid[/i] has always been an Excelsior no matter where you look. ([i]Encyclopedia[/i], web site, and probably from an okudagram originally.) 12. The [i]Magellan[/i]'s info is presented in the [i]Encyclopedia[/i], and it presumably came from an okudagram in the episode. 13. The "reality" of it is that there were two ships bearing the name and number of the [i]Melbourne[/i]. The Excelsior was seen in "Emissary" (DS9), and the Nebula was seen in BOTH "Best of Both Worlds" (TNG) and "Emissary". I refuse to simply ignore the existence of one or the other. I think there's plenty of rationalizations that could be made, likely having to do with the scrambling of as many vessels as possible for the battle (including scrap-jobs, etc.) or something along a similar line. In any case, the fact is that there [i]were two Melbournes.[/i] 14. Actually, the correct spelling is MERRIMACK. The first edition of the [i]Encyclopedia[/i] spelled it wrong. The error is corrected in the later editions. Easy to get mixed up, though. There were two Union vessels in service during the Civil War, the [i]Merrimack[/i] and the [i]Merrimac[/i]. The former was the ship that was sunk in the Elizabeth River, and then whose hulk was salvaged by the Confederates and converted into the ironclad [i]Virginia[/i]. Since this is the ship that the Nebula was named for, the 'k' spelling is correct. I believe the okudagrams bear that out. 15. Nope, [i]Spector[/i]. From the Fact Files. 16. The Oberth from [i]Generations[/i] was labeled with that name and registry. Sorry if you don't like it. :( 17. This is an admitted conjecture. I don't think we've yet received a definite confirmation as to whether this model was in fact used in the battle sequences of DS9 "A Time to Stand", but most of us seem to be pretty confident that it was. 18. Err...because it was converted to the [i]U.S.S. Enterprise[/i] NCC-1701-A at the end of STIV?! :rolleyes: 19. NCC-4000 comes from a display on the [i]Enterprise[/i] bridge in STIII. The display was a slide of a page from the Franz Joseph Technical Manual, depicting the tug [i]U.S.S. Ptolemy[/i] NCC-3801 pulling a cargo module labeled with the registry. (The Technical Manual itself would imply that the "transport containers" got their own registry numbers, but as far as canon goes, that registry could easily be that of another ship to which the module was attached, a la shuttlecraft.) There you are. Now, to other questions: 1. The [i]Bonchune[/i]. This was the Nebula-class ship that persued the [i]U.S.S. Prometheus[/i] in "Mesage in a Bottle" (VGR). The name was confirmed by [b]Mojo[/b]. 2. The displays from STII and STIII. These screens are reproductions of pages out of the Franz Joseph Technical Manual, showing three classes of ships and their stats. (Some people have been bitching about the corners being cut off of the displays because of the shape of the monitor screens, but as it's OBVIOUS to everyone what was on them, I say there's no reason for crying "[i]The first five letters of that word are cut off! It can't be canon![/i]". But, that's just me. ;) ) Here are links to the pages used for the displays: [b] http://neutralzone.future.easyspace.com/Federation/Other/_HermesClass.gif [/b] [b] http://neutralzone.future.easyspace.com/Federation/Other/_SaladinClass.gif [/b] [b] http://neutralzone.future.easyspace.com/Federation/Other/_PtolemyClass.gif [/b] [b] http://neutralzone.future.easyspace.com/Federation/Other/_PtolemyClass01.gif [/b] 3. The [i]Hiroshima[/i]. The only place this ship has ever appeared is in the second edition of the [i]Encyclopedia[/i]. I include it for the sake of completeness. 4. The [i]Nash[/i]. This was the Sydney-class ship that appeared here and there throughout DS9, always for some strange reason flying *upside-down*. The registry is a stumper, it's the [i]Jenolan[/i]'s number with a 'B' added to it. Certainly, a wierd little ship. Here's a pic of the model: [b] http://home.arcor.de/spike730/starfleet_ships/canon/pics/nash.jpg [/b] 5. Class ships in TUC. For the purposes of my list, (and I've recently written Okuda asking for confirmation, though I have received no reply yet) I am assuming that the [i]Springfield[/i], [i]Challenger[/i], [i]Whorfin[/i], and [i]Korolev[/i] from the displays/charts in TUC were intended to be the class prototypes of the respective TNG-era ship classes of the same names. Personally, I just feel that it's too much of a coincidence to think these names were all presented to us and were not intended as a nod to TNG, especially with all the other such homages hidden within the film. 6. [i]Madison[/i] or [i]Manson[/i]? Well, the CC said [i]Madison[/i] so... :) I guess that's about it. -[b]MMoM[/b] :D [/QB][/QUOTE]

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