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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Timo: [qb] I don't really see how that could serve as any sort of redemption, though. I mean, somebody was bound to lead the SS and the concentration camp program in 1930s-40s Germany. If Himmler had not done it, he'd just have been deposed or even killed, and somebody else would have taken his place. There was no stopping that particular train wreck after 1933 or so. Should there thus not be a USS Himmler in Starfleet, honoring an efficient organizer and skilled solver of the Jewish (Roma, Pole, homosexual etc.) problem? Shouldn't his honesty and devotion be acknowledged, even if some obscure political factions once used to view his career negatively, back before the founding of the Federation? Timo Saloniemi [/qb][/QUOTE]Given the fact that Starfleet or anyone else probably don't want to name a ship after him for what he has done, a dedication to a specific person (like Thomas Paine) does only make sense if there has been another person of the same name you do [i]not[/i] want to honor. If you have a ship named Archer because you want to honor Henry and John, it's OK. If you have a ship named Thomas Paine, you want to honor Thomas Paine, the author, not Richard Paine, the dictator from the Eugenic Wars. Going back to Cortez, the fact that the ship is just named Cortez could, in this context, mean two things: Either her dedication plaque or the hull say something like "Named for the Nobel Price winner of 2133, Richard Cortez" or USS Richard Cortez or Starfleet does not see Cortez as a dictator and murderer. Option two would cause more problems, anyway. The comparison Cortez - Himmler showed another important thing; what if one country (in the case of Cortez) sees a person as a hero while another country sees him as a criminal? Do you name a ship after Caesar because he was the famous ruler of the Roman Empire, or don't you name the ship for him for the exact same reason, because he killed thousands just to expand his empire? Phoenix was right, there should be enough non-controversal names for every ship in Starfleet. Sadly the people who come up with new names don't use that source. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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