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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Tahna Los</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,16,20,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 16, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:33 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> From what we've seen of trilithium so far, it is the byproduct of warp engines. So it is like a waste or something, like the exhaust that comes out of the car. Now the exhaust contains compounds such as water, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, in other words, compounds that are not reactive. The reaction from fuel and air to water and CO and CO2 would be referred to as complete.<p>Trilithium meanwhile, does not follow that path. So far, it is seen as volotile and explosive, and can even destroy a star. But since it is a byproduct, then it would be considered like a waste. So why keep it around? Why not use the Trilithium as a fuel source so that more power can be generated?<p>And can someone speculate on where this trilithium actually comes from?<P>------------------<BR>I can resist anything.......<br>Except Temptation<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Baloo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,16,21,17,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 16, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:17 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <Speculation> I would guess that after constant exposure to matter/antimatter reactions, <I>di</I>lithium gradually changes to <i>tri</I>lithium. Despite the fact that the dilithium is constantly regenerated by replicator-sounding technology (I forget the terms used in the Tech Manual), fractional amounts of trilithium form, resistant to regeneration. When this happens, the trilithium "evaporates" in the plasma stream generated by the M/ARA and condenses on the inner surfaces of the plasma conduits (requiring periodic removal). Alternatively, it may be removed by some "filtering process" to keep it out of the conduits in the first place. If they didn't clean the stuff outta somewhere, how would they ever accumulate any of it?<p>I would presume that trilithium is analagous to weapons-grade plutonium. It's considered "waste" because:<p><OL type=A><LI>it doesn't stay in the reaction chamber like dilithium, so it can't be used to regulate matter/antimatter reactions. I understand that plutonium provides less useful radiation in reactors than uranium (perhaps incorrectly -- any physics students feel free to step in right about here).<p><LI>It <I>can</I> be made to react, but only violently (as in explosions). Weapons constructed with trilithium might be "dirty" or have other unpleasant long-term environmental effects. Perhaps it's prohibited by treaty as a subspace-damaging weapon?</OL> </Speculation><p><p>------------------<br>Yo quiero Startrek!<p><p><p><small>[This message was edited by Baloo on March 16, 1999.]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Tahna Los</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,16,22,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 16, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:21 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Baloo: It's very volotile, and unstable too. Picard removed that control rod which made it stable, and it exploded as a result. It's not a matter of whether it can be made to react, it just does. And they have a Trilithium collecting tank. So, given the volatility of Trilithium, why not just let the reaction go ahead, and get the energy from the reaction power the vessel. A more complete combustion, I believe.<P>------------------<BR>I can resist anything.......<br>Except Temptation<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Baloo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,16,23,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 16, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:03 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Perhaps it's unusable in that application because it interferes with subspace field formation?<p>Otherwise, why <I>aren't</I> they using it for power? Your idea has merit. If they aren't using it, it must be because there are problems harnessing the energy it releases.<p>--Baloo<P>------------------<BR>Yo quiero Startrek!<p><p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,17,1,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:14 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Not to be too picky, but the warp core doesn't actually create pure trilithium as a waste product, but trilithium resin.<P>------------------<BR>"I'll be the sky above the Ganges<br>I'll be the vast and stormy sea.<br>I'll be the lights that guide you inward.<br>I'll be the visions you will see."<br>--<br>R.E.M.<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Baloo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,17,22,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> [Shrugs]<p>Whatever.<p><center><IMG SRC="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/razzanim.gif"></center><P>------------------<BR>Yo quiero Startrek!<p><p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cargile</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,18,0,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:22 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> A resin? That had to be a typo. I will save you the embarrassment of what resins are and encourage all to look it up in a dictionary. I suppose the best deffinition that could apply is any various substance made by chemical synthesis. Even in this case it's a by-product.<p>----<br>Perhaps trilithium can't be used as a powersource because of reverse entrophy?<br><center><img src="http://members.tripod.com/~Cargile/skull.gif"></center><br><P>------------------<BR><i>. . .I don't believe in God, I just believe in me.</i><br>--John Lennon<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,18,4,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:06 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Proper scientific terminology or not, the episode said "trilithium resin."<P>------------------<BR>"I'll turn everything around and confuse you. I'll fix it so you can't remember what was true."<br>--<br>They Might Be Giants <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,18,16,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:51 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Theory: In the future, "resin" has taken on a meaning similar to "residue"...<p>Well, it's possible, anyway...<P>------------------<BR>"Look into any eyes you find by you; you can see clear to another day..."<br>-The Grateful Dead, "Box of Rain" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Baloo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,18,18,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:43 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <Mode=Pedantic><br><STRONG>resin</STRONG><br> n : any of a class of solid or semisolid viscous substances<br> obtained either as exudations from certain plants or<br> prepared by polymerization of simple molecules [syn: rosin]<br></Mode=Pedantic><p>Seriously, it might be that "trilithium resin" might be called that because the appearance of this material is similar to <i>actual</I> resin?<p><center><IMG SRC="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/BalooAni.gif"><br><IMG SRC="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/8641/Winky.gif"></center><P>------------------<BR>Carpe Canem!<p><p><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Tahna Los</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,18,20,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Taking a guess here:<p>matter + antimatter + dilithium ====> plasma + trilithium<p>I guess that's why they have to replace the dilithium crystals once in a while.<P>------------------<BR>I can resist anything.......<br>Except Temptation<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jeff Raven</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,21,0,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:56 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'd like to point out that there are two different types of reactions we're dealing with. One, chemical ones, and two, nuclear ones.<p>The entire basis of matter/antimatter reaction is sort of a nuclear one, but that exists outside of what we are dealing with. Dilithium is not the fuel, the matter and antimatter is...from what I've gathered from the shows, dilithum is used to focus the stream of m/a-m particles. I think that the degradation of dilithium in this process is what causes trilithium, which is extremely radioactive, also taken from the show. This radioactivity can be so great, that it creates so much energy as the trilithium decays, that makes it dangerous.<P>------------------<BR>"You bellowed?" - Black Arachnia - <i>Agenda</i><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jeff Raven</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,21,0,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> BTW...<p><br>Antimatter + Matter = Huge amounts of energy!<p>Dilithium can be looked upon as a 'catalyst', so to speak.<P>------------------<BR>"You bellowed?" - Black Arachnia - <i>Agenda</i><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sunspot</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,21,9,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:16 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> In the diagram in the TNG TM, it looks like the m/am particles hit the dilithium, the am particles hit the dilithium and pass through it's 'porous crystalline structure' and when the m/am meets, something happens...I'm not sure if a m/am reaction naturally would cause plasma? or if it has somethign to do with the dilithium and/or intense magnetic fields.<p>"Dilithium crystals are used to regulate and control the matter-antimatter reaction"<p>-Page 62, fig. 5.2.6, TNG TM<p>so..."What was the point of <i>THAT</I> post?!?!", you may ask...and I would be forced to answer, "I honestly do not know."<p><P>------------------<BR>I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>monkeyboy</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,21,13,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:06 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Doubt u could call dilithium a catylast.<br>More like a tuner. How much more active do u need to make a mattar anti-matter reaction??.<br>It would have no trouble reacting in suffiencet amounts and speeeds in my mind.<P>------------------<BR>I did'nt do it.<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jeff Raven</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,21,19,15,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:15 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, a catalyst is something that doesn't affect the overall reaction, but assists in its completion.<p>And as for a/a-m, yes, it is an automatic reaction. As a chem major, I have studied lots of stuff on this matter. When matter comes into contact with antimatter, a huge explosion occurs...creating lots of energy.<br>Present technology has allowed us to do this today, too. We can even perform the reverse reaction....taking lots of energy, and making matter and antimatter.<P>------------------<BR>"<b>That</b> is the exploration that awaits you: Not mapping the stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possiblities of existence." - Q, <i>All Good Things...</i><p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Tahna Los</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,22,11,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:10 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> According to the TNGTM, the resulting energy from the reaction is in the form of plasma, hence two plasma conduits coming from the Warp Core. As for Trilithium, the reaction is perhaps strong enough to transform some dilithium into Trilithium. <P>------------------<BR>I can resist anything.......<br>Except Temptation <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jeff Raven</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,22,17,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:13 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *nod* Exactly. The energy coming from the plasma could be large enough to change the chemical composition of dilithium....<P>------------------<BR>"<b>That</b> is the exploration that awaits you: Not mapping the stars and studying nebulae, but charting the unknown possiblities of existence." - Q, <i>All Good Things...</i><p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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