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Posted by Enterprise (Member # 48) on :

Hi all,

I'm starting this thread just for fun, and to come up with some Sovereign-class ships. List some real (ie, one's we know exist, including the class ship) Sovereign's and one's you've made up. So come on people, crank out some Sovereign's!!!

Here's mine:

USS Sovereign (NX-74222)
USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-E)
USS Avalon (NCC-74268)
USS Odyssey (NCC-71832-A)
--- Named in honor of the ship lost to the Jem'Hadar

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Brandon "Enterprise" Grasmick
Commanding Officer, USS Sovereign (NX-74222)

"Captain, the Sona crew are willing to negotiate a cease fire. It may have something to do with the fact that we have 3 minutes of air left."
-- Worf

Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
-- In time of war the law falls silent.

[This message was edited by Enterprise on March 27, 1999.]

Posted by CaptSershek on :

The Soveriegn class ship I am using in my club is the U.S.S. Raleigh NCC-74783 named after Sir Walter Raleigh. This ship is commanded by Capt. Jacob Conner and he assumed command stardate 50908.6 I hope this helps.

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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

I might have to update my ship list to find some Sovereigns. When my list is done, there'll be about 40+ Sovereigns.

For now:

U.S.S. ARGUS NCC-75124
U.S.S. BOZEMAN NCC-1941-A
U.S.S. CONSTELLATION unknown
U.S.S. ENDEAVOR unknown-A
U.S.S. ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-E
U.S.S. HONORIUS unknown
U.S.S. HORIZON unknown
U.S.S. KHITOMER NCC-74999
U.S.S. LONDON NCC-75085
U.S.S. MAJESTIC NCC-75100
U.S.S. OCTAVIAN unknown
U.S.S. RENEGADE NCC-76414
U.S.S. REPUBLIC unknown
U.S.S. RODERICK unknown
U.S.S. SOVEREIGN NCC-74222
U.S.S. TROJAN unknown
U.S.S. VALHALLA unknown

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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

BTW, those are from websites and books, not ships I made up.

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Posted by Enterprise (Member # 48) on :

Federation Shipmaster,

That's ok, I'm just trying to build a list of Sovereign's

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Brandon "Enterprise" Grasmick
Commanding Officer, USS Sovereign (NX-74222)

"Captain, the Sona crew are willing to negotiate a cease fire. It may have something to do with the fact that we have 3 minutes of air left."
-- Worf

Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
-- In time of war the law falls silent.

Posted by Lindsly on :

Enterprise: This is a starship I made up for the Sovereign Class-USS Victoria (NCC-74851).

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Enterprise: Asking for the ones we know exist isn't much of a question. There are only two, the Sovereign and the Enterprise...

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

How about in at least ten years time - one Sovereign at least for every member planet of the federation -

so 150?

maybe this happens for most ship classes...

and what i mean is - crewed by a nearly entire crew from that planet -

i.e. the Hera, and the intrepid - nearly all Vulcan...

The Enterprise - a flag ship - crewed my many races

DS9, I assume is close to Bolias? we seem to see quite a few Bolians stationed to DS9

Andrew

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Here's all my Sovereign-class ships to date. I didn't know what to do for the registries, so I made them all 731XX

U.S.S. Agamemnon NCC-73110
U.S.S. Anchorhead NCC-75777
U.S.S. Daytona NCC-73107
U.S.S. DeKoven NCC-73112
U.S.S. Grissom NCC-73111
U.S.S. Hudson NCC-73103
U.S.S. Invisigoth NCC-73108
U.S.S. Maverick NCC-73105
U.S.S. New Titan NCC-73114
U.S.S. Shea NCC-73101
U.S.S. Silverado NCC-73109
U.S.S. Thera NCC-73106
U.S.S. Titan NCC-73113
U.S.S. Trojan NCC-73104
U.S.S. Tahakis NCC-73115

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Is the USS Sovereign NX/NCC-74222 official??

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Posted by grb on :

I always wanted to see...

USS T'plana Hath NCC-80111

USS Sarek NCC-82023

USS Khitomer NCC-83224

USS Voyager NCC-79225 (named for the vessel lost in the Badlands)

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Altair: Nope.

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Posted by Graboid on :

For the RPG simulation that I've been a part of for the last 2 1/2 years, it's set aboard the USS Sovereign. The guy who created the sim used the registry NCC-74222. I've seen it around on other sites as well, and it generally tends to be accepted. I wonder who came up with it.

Feel free to check out our site at
http://www.aesim.com/sovereign

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

grb: I doubt that Starfleet would reuse the name of a ship that they know (or are at least relatively sure) is still operating...

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Posted by Graboid on :

What exactly do you mean?

Posted by Warped1701 (Member # 40) on :

Well, grb said that they named a Sovereign class starship after the Voyager. Starfleet is reasonably certain that the Intrepid class Voyager is still alive and well. It wouldn't make sense to give the Voyager name to another ship.

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Posted by Enterprise (Member # 48) on :

The Sovereign HAS to be official. It's existance is implied by the name of the class.

IE, Sovereign-class requires a ship of that name.

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Brandon "Enterprise" Grasmick
Commanding Officer, USS Sovereign (NX-74222)

"Captain, the Sona crew are willing to negotiate a cease fire. It may have something to do with the fact that we have 3 minutes of air left."
-- Worf

Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
-- In time of war the law falls silent.

Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Right, but the registry isn't official (which is what Altair was asking about).

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Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :

Let's not forget that some people are rather fond of the idea that the class ships of the Sovereign class is the USS Royal Sovereign.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

In this case there should also be the USS Milky Way Galaxy and the USS Constitution of the United States of America.

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Posted by grb on :

The soverign class USS Voyager could have been declared after Voyager was lost, but before they contacted home.....

Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :

Bernd, I think you said 'should' when you meant to say 'could'...

...except of course there couldn't because the USS Constitution and the USS Galaxy have been referred to. The USS Sovereign or USS Royal Sovereign hasn't.

And name the episode or film where it was stated that the first ship of a class and the class itself always have the same name, let alone exactly the same name.

The reference in the encyclopedia to "the starship we call The City of New Orleans" is a joke, but there's actually no reason why the class ship of the New Orleans class couldn't be the USS Cty of New Orleans.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

If the first ship of the class were the Royal Sovereign, then it would be called Royal Sovereign-class. This is how most navies do things, I believe.

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Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :

Well, it's how the Royal Navy, and those that copied the RN such as the USN, normally do things.

There are examples where the class is named after a different ship to the first one build. There are also examples of where the class has a totally different name (eg the RN Tribal class, HMS Zulu, etc. never had a ship called HMS Tribal).

There's no reason why Starfleet wouldn't sometimes shorten long names.

Or if you want some justification for this example: why would the republican, classless Federation call a ship Sovereign? Royal Sovereign at least has the advantage of being named after a famous RN Battleship.

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

Why wouldn't they name it USS Sovereign? As far as I know no Starfleet vessel is named ter a 20th century sailing vessel. Sure, they may have the same name, but they are both named after something else, a person or a place. As for a definition of Sovereign (in verb form):

1 Above all others; chief; supreme 2 supreme in power, rank, etc. 3 independent of all others

his means the 'Sovereign' was named so because she is above all other classes in nearly all categories, supreme in power

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Posted by Lindsly on :

THE359: The USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) is named after an American carrier of the mid-twentieth century, a space shuttle, and a spaceship designed and built between 1976 and 2245. Source: The Motion Picture.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Frank said: "If the first ship of the class were the Royal Sovereign, then it would be called Royal Sovereign-class. This is how most navies do things, I believe."

Well, as ID pointed out, the RN has a Tribal class w/o an HMS Tribal. The USN has a Nimitz class whose class ship is USS Chester W. Nimitz. So exactly which navies are these "most navies"?

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

Actually, the point from The Motion Picture is that those were all ships that were named Enterprise, it never said the Enterprise itself was named after them. It was more likely named after the definition for Enterprise:

1 An undertaking, esp. a big, bold, or difficult one 2 energy and initiative

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

TSN: Any navy run by sensible people.

This is another definition thing, BTW..."Whatever-class" means "similar to the ship called the Whatever."

I didn't know about the Nimitz...of course, the class of the Oliver Hazard Perry is Oliver Hazard Perry-class, not just Perry-class. Maybe they don't want to be consistent.

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Posted by Enterprise (Member # 48) on :

TSN,

The first ship of the USN's Nimitz-class is USS Nimitz, NO Chester W. added on to the name. I have a ship list direct from Navy public affairs.

And yes, Frank, it has an Oliver Hazard Perry-class USS Oliver Hazard Perry.

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Brandon "Enterprise" Grasmick
Commanding Officer, USS Sovereign (NX-74222)

"Captain, the Sona crew are willing to negotiate a cease fire. It may have something to do with the fact that we have 3 minutes of air left."
-- Worf

Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
-- In time of war the law falls silent.

[This message was edited by Enterprise on March 30, 1999.]

Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

Enterprise: Isn't it two minutes?

The Royal Sovereign class existed long before the Sovereign class, so let's just get rid of thatrumor that was broughty in here.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Not canonically...

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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

Enterprise isn't asking for canon, now is he?

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Why should anyone care about stuff that's not canon?

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Why? I'll tell you why, Frank. It's because there can be a lot more stuff that's non-canon. If people want to make stuff up, and Enterprise would like to include fan-made Sovereign's, let him. He's not doing any harm, and it should be alright just as long as nothing's contradicted by the show.

BTW- Federation Shipmaster-The U.S.S. Bozeman II NCC-1941-A is a Roderick-class destroyer. It's the first one of the class. It used to be the U.S.S. Roderick, but it was renamed to commemorate the crew of the Bozeman. Also, the first Bozeman, NCC-1941, is permenantly docked at Starbase 12. Source-Star Trek: The Next Generation Ship of the Line

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Why make stuff up, though? If you want it to be relevant, come up with your own sci-fi continuity instead of mixing up what's already established.

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Posted by Enterprise (Member # 48) on :

No, I'm not asking for cannon stuff. I was just curious as to what Sovereign's people have made up.

As I may or may not have mentioned, I'm writing/creating my own Star Trek series based on a Sovereign-class ship, aptly named Star Trek Sovereign. It takes place on the Sovereign (and I named the captain after myself). I was thinking of adding a guest appearence of other Sovereign's and was at a lost for a name.

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Brandon "Enterprise" Grasmick
Commanding Officer, USS Sovereign (NX-74222)

"Captain, the Sona crew are willing to negotiate a cease fire. It may have something to do with the fact that we have 3 minutes of air left."
-- Worf

Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
-- In time of war the law falls silent.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I was referring to the comment that the Royal Sovereign was around long before the Sovereign. Since that isn't canon, it isn't a good reason to say that the Sovereign class ship wasn't called Royal Sovereign. And, actually, even if it were canon, they could still use it, since the class is Sovereign, not Royal Sovereign.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Who says it has to be relevent, Frank?

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

If it's not relevant, who would care about it?

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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

HE ASKED FOR NON-CANON AS WELL AS CANON, PEOPLE!

How do we know the Roderick was a class of itself? I remember the Roderick was mentioned...

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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

Where's it say the Roderick is it's own class and a destroyer?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"I shall welease Wodewick!"

Sorry. Couldn't resist. :-)

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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :

Interstingly, like Enterprise I have been mulling over a ST:Sovereign. Basically I think we all want to sit in that brown chair and command such a smegging awesome ship as a sovereign.

On registries, you pick a number you fancy.
I personally chose NCC-75089 for the USS Sovereign, because I wanted to use the new class to kick the numbers into the 75000s since seen on Data's scout ship in Insurrection. Any number will do, since none are canon. I do insist that people try and find obcure private reasons for picking certain numbers though....

I am not a believer in the NCC-1305-E, etc stuff.
I prefer to think that only the Enterprise has been so honoured. It would explain why the endless Lexingtons and Potemkins have always had new numbers. It'd be a slight to a crew if their exploits or deaths weren't sufficiently glorious to merit a letter-suffix.

Oh, and I hate long names. Even USS Dwight D. Eisenhower is a mouthful, and tricky to rattle off in the midst of battle, or if you are talking about lots of ships engaged in a battle:

"Sir, the Grand-Emperor-Constantine-of-the-Eastern-Roman-Empire has been hit, and the Antony Worral-Tomkinson reports heavy flooding in the galley!"

It ain't practical!

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Incidentally, in "Spectre" (that mirror universe novel by everybody's favorite author, Bill Shatner), the Sovereign is mentioned, as such.
No Reg. #, tho.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Federation Shipmaster-In Ship of the Line, it states that the U.S.S. Roderick, Roderick-class destroyer, was renamed the U.S.S. Bozeman II NCC-1941-A

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Posted by Graboid on :

Hey Enterprise and Montgomery, let me know when you get something worked up for your Sovereign thingy. I'd be interested to see other versions of the Sovy aside from my own.

Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

Yeah, I know that the Roderick was renamed the Bozeman, but where does it say that it's Roderick-class?

(Sorry, I need to see these things with my own eyes. Page number, please?)

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

First: Don't you mean "...by Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens, but credited to everyone's favorite non-author..."? :-)

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Posted by Enterprise (Member # 48) on :

Graboid,

Well, I have episode 1 written. I have since decieded to make some changes, and will need to re-wright it. I do have a list of characters, although I probably will make a couple of changes for episode 2. Here's the list:

Captain: Captain Brandon Grasmick
First Officer: Commander Alexandra Ryan
Operations Officer: Lt. Commander Tumok
Chief Engineer: Lt. Commander Aaron Peterson
Science Officer: Lt. Commander Mark Thomas
Tactical Officer: Lt. Commander Samuel 'Tac' Wilson (this may be one of the characters I change)
Chief Medical Officer: Lt. Commander 'Mo' Edwards (this may be one of the characters I change)
Ship's Counselor: Lt. Commander Anne Hathaway

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Brandon "Enterprise" Grasmick
Commanding Officer, USS Sovereign (NX-74222)

"Captain, the Sona crew are willing to negotiate a cease fire. It may have something to do with the fact that we have 3 minutes of air left."
-- Worf

Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
-- In time of war the law falls silent.

Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Federation Shipmaster- Ok, so it doesn't say Roderick-class destroyer, but on pg. 313, it says that the U.S.S. Roderick was renamed the U.S.S. Bozeman II.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Enterprise: About your ship's counsellor... Isn't Anne Hathaway the name of William Shakespeare's wife?

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Posted by Enterprise (Member # 48) on :

TSN,

Yeah, that is who I named the character after. I was at a loss as to what to name the character until I was pageing through the Encyclopedia and found the listing on the Hathaway, so that is what I named the Sovereign's counselor.

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Brandon "Enterprise" Grasmick
Commanding Officer, USS Sovereign (NX-74222)

"Captain, the Sona crew are willing to negotiate a cease fire. It may have something to do with the fact that we have 3 minutes of air left."
-- Worf

Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
-- In time of war the law falls silent.

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

The LUG Star trek RPG book "The Price of Freedom" lists the Sovereign as having the ridiculously low registry # of 17454 (or something that started with 17***). Besides this and some rather... odd-looking... designs for Federation Ships (though most of them are fairly decent, the Apollo and their version of the New Orleans are just plain UGLY), it's really a fairly good book.

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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

Yeah, and that it's a destroyer.

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