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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,18,13,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:35 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> After I have found the Cheyenne, New Orleans and Freedom, I would like to identify some more ships.<p>Recently I checked BoBW again, and I could see all the ships on Pedro's screenshots, maybe even some more. Maybe he could post the screenshots here. <p>1) The very first screen in BoBW shows some scrap and a ship with apparently a long engineering hull and short nacelles. Could this be an Excelsior study model?<p>2) After the close shot of Riker, the Enterprise is shown passing the debris. There are two versions of this scene:<br>a) The (German and probably the original likewise) TV version has an awkward cut in it, and the Constitution (Challenger?) engineering hull suddenly appears on the left edge of the screen.<br>b) The (English) video version does not have the cut, and there's no Constitution hull (I like this one more).<p>3) The ship that is partially covered by the Enterprise looks interesting. Maybe I should try to draw it. Could it be (another) Excelsior study model? I compared it to The Art of Star Trek but I couldn't find a clue.<p>4) There is a glowing saucer in the same scene, most probably Galaxy class, but no nacelles are visible in contrast to what we believe is the Rigel class (with the tiny nacelles) in the previous scene. The only thing attached to the saucer seems to be an irregularly shaped rest of the engineering hull.<p>5) The lower half shows a ship without nacelles that looks a bit like a normal Excelsior.<p>Does someone have screencaps of Unification? This episode features even more interesting ships.<p>6) The scene when the Enterprise enters the Qualor II surplus depot is exactly the same as the BoBW scene 2), only some ships have been added, and the Galaxy saucer is not glowing this time.<p>7) One of the additional ships in the lower right corner has four nacelles, but it's no Cheyenne class, since a secondary hull is visible. It looks a bit as if it is an Excelsior saucer with an extended top piece as secondary hull and the four nacelles attached to it. <p>8) There is a single saucer in the scene just after the disappearance of the Tripoli has been detected. This saucer could be clearly seen, I should be able to draw it. It's a very bulky one, maybe it doesn't belong to a starship.<p>9) Another four-nacelled ship (along with Mirandas) is seen in the upper right corner when the Enterprise hides amongst the wreckage. It seems to have a conventional engineering hull, definitely no Cheyenne class. In cotrast to the ship 7), the engineering hull seems to be attached to the saucer bottom.<p>Finally, there is "The Emissary".<p>10) Only one new ship is seen (besides the Oberth class passing the much too big window), which is often believed to be the Apollo class Gage (see discussion in another thread).<P>------------------<BR>Brain. Brain. What is brain? (Kara the Eymorg, "Spock's Brain")<br> <A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/</A> <br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,18,13,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:56 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'm too lazy to post images, but I'll comment anyway.<p>1) This is the ship I've tentatively identified as the Challenger, although I'm least certain of this.<p>2) Actually, the version with the Constitution is shown before the commercial break, and the version without is shown after.<p>3) That is an Excelsior study model. It's on my page.<p>4) Yes. It's junk.<p>5) Probably something like that.<p>6) The planet is there also. <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/smile.gif"><p>7) It might be an upside-down Excelsior-like thing with added nacelles.<p>8) I know which one you're talking about...it looks like the Outrider from Shadows of the Empire. <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/smile.gif"> No idea what this is.<p>9) I never noticed this before...I'll check for it later.<p>10) It's not the Gage! <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>Dead End: "If we surrender our energon we're doomed."<br>Breakdown: "And if we don't we're doomed too."<br>Dead End: "Face it. We're doomed." <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,18,14,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> 1) Doesn't look like the description of the Challenger<p>2) You're right. It should have been "suddenly disappeared..." Actually, at that time there were no commercial breaks in German TV, those were lucky times...<p>3) I had your site in mind, but the comparison is hard, since there is only a side view in The Art of Star Trek. However, there is a chance of reconstructing it.<p>10) I don't believe it's the Gage either, until they will have it in the Fact Files... <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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