And never, EVER mention "Ship Of The Line" again. It sucked dogs in hell. I'm surprised Kelsey Grammer didn't sue over his picture on the cover. . .
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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
Anyone care to critique it?
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...sucked dogs in hell"? There's a new one... :-)
And the Bozeman should actually only be about seven years old now. But the Soyuz class was retired only ten years after it was launched. Doesn't that seem a bit odd? I mean, if the service-life-expectancy for the ship is, say, 50 years, then the class shouldn't be retired until 50 years after the last ones are built. If the service-life is something else, then they should be retired that many years after. But I find it hard to believe that they built a class w/ a ten-year service-life. I'm thinking there was something wrong w/ the class...
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
It's also possible that the Soyuz class is older then the Miranda class. I mean, they do look similar, but look at the Nebula, New Orleans, and Cheyenne compared to their newer cousin, the Galaxy.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Of course, I came up with what I thought was a rather nice Soyuz theory back in the previous incarnation of this thread...not like anyone read it or anything.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Tim: I don't think I made it up. . .
If the Bozeman is only seven years old, that reinforces my point.
As for the chance of the Soyuz being older than the Miranda, how about this: suppose that - as has been postulated - the Mirandas had been refit just as the Constitutions were? They could have decided to go even further and make a cargo/patrol/scout/whatever version of the ship, which made it so different they gave the refit-plus ships a new class name, of Soyuz?
What was you theory, Simon? I hope it wasn't what I just said. . . 8)
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
No, it wasn't the same, though that isn't a bad suggestion.
My earlier post, in a somewhat condensed form:
I contend that the Soyuz class was a testbed for new technologies. Based on readily available Miranda hulls, the ships were grabbed during early phases of production to be used in experiments.
I would further suggest that the Soyuz was only meant as a stopgap measure, until a better design presented itself. Upon the construction of that new class, the Soyuz class was retired. That doesn't necessarily mean all Soyuz ships immediately were taken out of service, though they may have been removed from active service. Some, as Frank suggests, could have been recommissioned as Mirandas. Others might have just been pushed out as is, or given to various civilian agencies. Some would have no doubt remained in the hands of ship designers.
I'm reasonably sure that would cover everything we know about the class. Anything I missed?
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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
Criticism please?
That's why they call me the Shipmaster.
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Posted by Trinculo on :
Federation Shipmaster, I observe that you use canon and non-canon sources. A list should have a bibliography so that others can research the sources, judge the validity of the sources, and use the information or not in a ship list.
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Holy *^$%! that Jenolan Class is *&%*ing huge!
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
I agree with Trinculo that giving sources is important. Adding sources to a list this long is a big job. (FedSM: was it all compiled by you or is it an editing and expansion of James Dixon's Class One Ships of the Line file?)
There also seem to be quite a lot missing...
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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
Brown: It's Sydney class.
My major sources:
Star Trek Encyclopedia
James Dixon's Chronology
D.J. Creighton's site
Er....I could put up a ZIP file without about 300 URL's listing about 3/4s of my ships, but maybe not.
I have no idea how I could possibly make a complete bibliography, as many of the websites no longer exist or have been moved to a new location that I am not aware of. Furthermore, due to time constraints, I could not begin to compile a list of sources until June.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
FedSM: I'm rather interested how you choose your sources. I guess the official list and D.J. Creighton's which is next to official has the highest priority, but which is next? What about registry and timeline inconsistencies?
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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
For registry consistencies, etc., I interpreted the registries in a manner that would be conssistent with known information, and so that it would be logical.
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