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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Okay, in "Penumbra," we have a new runabout. When Sisko talks about it, it sounds like it's the Ganda. When Ezri talks about it, it sounds like the Gander. Sisko enunciates the name, though, and Ezri really doesn't.

Now, originally I proposed that Ezri had a Boston accent, and so she changed the -a to -er. However, I noticed the reason is simpler. Ezri says, "Ganda/er here." (sound) Now try saying "Ganda here" as quickly as Ezri does. You can't! The -a will, by default, be changed to a sort of -er sound. Try it. Get a tape recorder if you can. BTW, I'm talking about normal, everyday North US/Canadian accents here, which is more or less what Ezri has. This also applies to many British and Australian accents, for example, but I don't do, say, Hispanic or Southern or any other type of an accent, so I can't tell with those.

On the other hand, Sisko does like to change -er sounds to -a. Listen to him when he says "order" in that same scene. (sound)

I still think it's Ganda, though.

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Posted by Simon on :

Is there a Ganda river anywhere? There certainly is a Gander.

Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :

I think it's Ganda too.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Err... I think I need to get my ears checked...

I actually could see how Sisko's second "Ganda/er" could be a "Gander."

Hmm... the "order" part is interesting.

As far as I'm concerned, I'll keep it Gander just since I need something for the moment.

*is somewhat undecided*

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Are you people forgetting that Picard periodically called Data Dater? This could be the same thing, with Ezri calling the Ganda Gander.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Fabrux: Exactly. It's both a regional accent thing and has to do with the difficulty of pronouncing certain syllables near other syllables.

Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Yeah.. except Canadians are known to have better pronounciation than Americans...

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Yes, but you're a bit biased, eh?

The way Ezri says the sentence does not really allow good pronounciation anyway...

Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

What does our closed captioning report say?

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Ganges. No help there.

Posted by Captain Syrus on :

Well....I can't find any record of a Ganda River...but there is deffinatly a Gander...and if you listen closely you can hear Ezri say "Gander Here..." I say it's Gander.....

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Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :

Even though I can find no reference to any Ganda river, I am sticking with what Sisko said :P

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

Ganda is actually the native language of Uganda people, or bagandas. Its also known as Luganda, but go figure...

I say its Gander, cuz it makes more sense.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Maybe they've finally used an alien river. . .

Isn't there a Uganda River? Could that be it?

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Ganda is the largest population group of Uganda:
http://www.grmi.org/~jhanna/obj16.htm
A Ganda or Uganda river doesn't exist according to my quick research.

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Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :

Ok, where is the writer of the episode? Where is Ron Moore? Okuda? Sternbach? Somebody has got to know

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I could understand Ganda becoming "Gander" if Ezri had a British accent, but she doesn't. It makes more sense to say that Gander became "Ganda" when Sisko said it, as evidenced by the "order" thing, and the fact that there is a Gander River, but no Ganda.

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