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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>bear</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,5,20,38,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:38 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Ok, we all agree that pre-TNG fleets were dominated by Constitution, Constellation, and Excelsior class variants, so lets hear some class name theories (Canon). <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,5,20,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:45 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, those are the only canon classes we know of from that era, plus the Oberth etc.<P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>Walter Barnett: "D-Did that thing just shatter an overpass into dust?"<br>Donny Finkleberg: "No, I...I think it was an entrance ramp." <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Trinculo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,5,20,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:53 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I believe the full list (compiled from canonical sources)is:<br>1. Antares Class<br>2. Class J (this is a canonical class from the episode "Menagerie"; I am not going to argue about this one. Either you know the episode and the reference or you don't.)<br>3. Constellation<br>4. Constitution (Variant 1 and 2)<br>5. Daedalus<br>6. Dreadnought-type starship<br>7. Excelsior<br>8. Miranda<br>9. Oberth<br>10. Scout-type starship<br>11. Soyuz <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>bear</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,5,21,26,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:26 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I am talking classes that are listed in the encyclopedia , but haven't really been seen. <br>I am trying to get my fellow trekker to try to come to agreement which classes are varients of the Constitution , Constellation , Excelsior<p>Merceds Class> Old Class possible U.S.S Centaur<br>Chimera Class ?<br>Korolev Class > Old Class<br>Istanbul Class > transport ...not important<br>Antares Class > Very old class<br>Apollo Class > assumed new class...not important<br>Mediterranean Class > Old Class <br>Surak Class > Old Class<br>Challenger Class > Constellation/Constitution Class variant ...old class<br>Hokule'a Class ...old class<br>Rigel Class > Constellation/Constitution variant <br>old class<br>Renaissance Class > Common belief , Ambassador Variant assumed still in service.<br>Springfield Class> conflicting theories> old class or new class<br>Yorkshire Class > old class<br>Andromedia Class > assumed new class<br>Wambundu Class> old class <p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,5,22,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:21 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Oh, you're talking about the entire pre-TNG timespan. I think people assumed you were only refering to the TOS era fleet.<P>------------------<BR>"Fishing promotes a clean mind, healthy body and leaves no time for succumbing to Communistic or Socialistic propaganda."<br>--<br>Ivar Hemmings, chairman, South Bend Bait Company <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>bear</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,5,22,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Nope, I have a few kitbash designs , and I was trying to see if there were any theories on configurations for pre-TNG classes. <p>Because of the populartity of the Miranda , Constitution , Constellation , and Excelsior classes I am making the assumption that these unknown classes could be variants.<p>Example <br>Four nacelle Excelsior<br>Challenger Class<br>Centaur <br>Chimera Class<br>Hokule'a Class<br>Surak Class<br>Springfield Class<br>Yorkshire Class<br>Mediterranean Class <br>etc...<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,5,23,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:05 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Just in reference to Bear's post - I reckon the centaur is a mirandaized version of the Excelsior class, and thus maybe it does have a class, and is not just a kitbash, and that I reckon its a Chimera class, for maybe its 'kitbashed' nature, or that both Chimeras and Centaurs are mythical creatures...<P>------------------<BR>"For flavor value, chocolate. But I prefer the Cult<br> of Curry." - Frank G, April 1999<br>"(strange mouth jerks)" - Krenim, April 1999<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>bear</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,5,23,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:14 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Exactly!!!!<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Identity Crisis</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,6,6,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 06, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Actually, the Centaur is really rather small to be the Miranda-equivalent of the Excelsior. After all the Miranda has damn close to the same internal volume as the Constitution (seems strange but is in fact true) whilst the Centaur is considerably smaller than the Excelsior. A Miranda-ised Excelsior would be more like the Joshua Paul class from volume 3 of Jackill's. Or this fan built model which was inspired by the Jackill's design: <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/9640/trekpage.html#terrell" TARGET="_blank">USS Terrell</A><p>If we use the traditional designations then the Joshua Paul/USS Terrel would be a Heavy Frigate and the Centaur would be more along the lines of a Fast Frigate or a Destroyer. (Yes Frank, I know that these traditional designations aren't the same as the historical designations that you seem to hold sacred, but we've had that argument...)<p><P>------------------<BR>-->Identity Crisis<--<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>bear</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,6,9,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 06, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:09 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I am really trying to compile a list of possible configuations for the names given in the encyclopedia. Wheither the centaur is Mirandized is beside the point. The over all configuaration is related to Miranda's, and that is the only conclusion being drawn here. The overall ratio of volume in comparing the two designs is beside the point, but I apprieciate the comment.<p><br>So far<br>Possibilies<br>Chimera Class > Centaur<p>keep them coming <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,6,9,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 06, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:44 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You're right, IDC, I hold the language sacred.<p>It would be perfectly acceptable to call the Centaur a light frigate and the bigger ones heavy frigates.<P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>Walter Barnett: "D-Did that thing just shatter an overpass into dust?"<br>Donny Finkleberg: "No, I...I think it was an entrance ramp." <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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