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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Earth Alliance Ships?
And the Akira, Norway, and Steamrunner are all about the same size. I would recommend just downscaling the Akira.
I see this remains SWDAO.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Entirely Afflicted Shadow
Posted by Warped1701 (Member # 40) on :
It looks really good to me. The only problem I see is the Defiant length, which goes directly against canonical data. Of course, I don't want to see this turn into yet another Defiant length argument.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
No, the Defiant length Bernd has is based on canonical data.
VFX are ****ed-up data, not canonical data... *shoots all the fools who think the Defiant was anything more or less than 560 feet long*
The Galaxy, Excelsior, and Intrepid actually round off to 643m (642.51), 468m (467.87), and 345m (344.61).
The Akira is 464.43m.
The Prometheus is 414.52m.
The Centaur is 381.87m.
The Olympic's length depends upon its deck height. I figure anywhere from 312m to 338m.
The Oberth is 120.40m.
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[This message was edited by TSN on June 15, 1999.]
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
We've been through this before...saying that the VFX aren't canon is saying the show isn't canon. I mean, what good are lengths that aren't used on the show?
Now, about the Freedom... For the sake of discussion, I'll go along w/ the idea that that is the actual design (though I would prefer more proof before embracing something so... atrocious...). Now, if I had to guess, I'd say that all the W359 kitbashes were made out of the same size model kits as the NO and Cheyenne. Therefore, the Freedom (and Niagara, if you had included it), should be scaled assuming it has a much smaller nacelle than a regular Galaxy. I'll go mess around in Photoshop and see what I come up with...
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
TSN: I don't care so much about a few meters, but I might change the figures for the Galaxy, Excelsior and Intrepid in the next update.
The Akira could be 464m. I kept it at 440m, for this is already too big compared to the Steamrunner, for instance, *Frank *, nevertheless, I don't want to scale up the latter or scale down the Akira *Frank *.
Is the Prometheus figure from the Star Trek Magazine? Sounds correct.
The 381m length for the Centaur given in the DS9TM seems to be coincidentally correct, considering that all other kitbash dimensions are completely wrong.
Maybe I will scale the Oberth down in the next update, I forgot about the 120m.
Freedom: We can't be sure how this one was built. The saucer doesn't look like a Galaxy saucer (although it is probably one).
Niagara: It would have wasted too much area . I'm waiting for any evidence that it really looks like in the FF.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Freedom: 239m�
Niagara: 244m�
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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
TSN: I don't really see any basis, on the model or in VFX to suggest 171m as the length. The number doesn't even come from the designer, it originated while the Art Department was drawing up scale charts for the Visual Effects, perhaps by a person scaling the ship next to that one-mile DS9 used in the charts. Ryan McReynolds suggested a few days ago that it may simply be a misread 360' (109.7m) figure, which as I then noted in my pages would likely be measured off of that fairly accessible Drexler's cutaway.
The issue is that there is no reason to assume that DS9 is a mile wide when shown with the Defiant. Otherwise why not assume this for every starship, and then recalculate all the official numbers, resulting in 35m runabouts or 500m Galaxies? No, for normal starships we assume that the problem lies with the DS9 diameter, and that there is *range* of optically distorted values, 700-2300m.
We really have to do the same for the Defiant. If all the other evidence suggests a 110m size, then what this means is that DS9 is 700m wide optically in all the docking shots, *not* that the Defiant is bigger. Some of you may still believe that there is more to this figure, but to me personally it is about as valid as the DS9 Tech Manual numbers from the ships section.
Boris
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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
Bernd: The Prometheus figure was given by Rick Sternbach in his forum as 1360 feet, read directly off of his blueprints after a sleepless night of pondering about that 535m long deck-line analysis-Prometheus I brought up.
Boris
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Posted by Trinculo on :
Two suggestions- if the Miranda Class and the Variants are of the same size, could there be just one Miranda Class Variant-the best known, USS Reliant?
I would like to see either the Danube Class or the Nova Class in the chart. Preferably, the Danube Class. I believe this is a rather important class.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
You're right, but the only problem w/ including the Danube is that it always comes out looking like a speck more than a ship... :-)
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Where did the picture of the Raven come from??
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
TSN: Currently I don't see the basis to scale the nacelles of the Freedom and Niagara down, although I hope this is actually the case with the latter.
Trinculo: I will include a Danube, but 23 pixels won't be much more than a blurry gray rectangle.
I am planning to draw a side view of the Equinox, so it will probably be in the next chart.
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