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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,21,10,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:41 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The <i>USS Centaur</i> was seen in the DS9 episode "A Time To Stand" where it was commanded by Captain Charlie Reynolds. The same oficer, a friend of Sisko's, is mentioned again in "Sacrifice of Angels" (and other episodes?).<p>The <i>Centaur</i> seems to be constructed from an <i>Excelsior</i> saucer with certain additional protuberances on the underside, with a pair or sideways <i>Excelsior</i> nacelles in <i>Miranda</i> configuration attached by what appears to be an outsized (i.e., definitely not to scale) <i>Miranda</i> rollbar.<p>No class is specified, and no registry is visible, therefore the age of the ship is unknown. One point of view is that if there is a <i>Miranda</i>ised <i>Excelsior</i> then this it it. Another viewpoint says this is a kitbash in the tradition of the other ships in the DS9TM, one of which resembles this ship quite closely - with some telling differences such as the positioning of the nacelles.<p>So which is it? All together now: we don't know! I prefer to think of it as a proper class, maybe one of the ones we have heard of but never seen. . . the only thing to contradict this is a logical argument - why is there a kitbash that looks so similar? If the components are nearly identical, then why not make a 'proper' <i>Centaur</i>-type ship? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,21,11,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:22 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Two more arguments to consider:<p>1. The name: a centaur is a hybrid of two different species. Indicative of something?<p>2. The <i>Centaur</i> is seen three months into the war. . . would they be creating kitbash ships already? Consider, however, that we'd already seen the <i>Excelsior</i>-kitbash <i>Curry</i>-class. . .<p>I'll combine these with the rest once everyone's commented. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>bear</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,21,11,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:28 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Chimera Class<br><img src="http://www.geocities.com:80/Area51/Stargate/9268/centaur_class.jpg"><p><br>I just thought I would post this again...lol<br>-Saucers to thin<br>-Nacelles are too short<p>I really should post the updated version.<p>------------------<br>hello world<p><small>[This message was edited by bear on June 21, 1999.]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>bear</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,21,11,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:37 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Oh...I am not strenuously saying this is the Chimera Class, but somebody commented on them both being Greek monsters a while back , so I changed the name. <P>------------------<BR>hello world <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,21,12,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:35 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> There was a much better version going around just after it was seen. . . and The Vorlon did one too. Anybody got them? And where did the <i>Chimera</i> class come from? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,21,14,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:09 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It was from the encyclopedia. Was it the <i>Portland</i>? Something from "Nor the Battle to the Strong...", I think. Anyway, some ship that we never saw was listed as <i>Chim(a)era</i>-class (did it have the 'a', or not?), and some people have commented that it's a good name for the <i>Centaur</i>'s class.<p>I think I've got my own <i>Centaur</i> diagram somewhere, if I can find it...<p>Oh, and the nacelles aren't <i>Excelsior</i>. From the side, they are shaped like the top of an <i>Excelsior</i>'s, so they may have been made <i>from</i> parts of an <i>Excelsior</i>'s, but they aren't exactly the same...<P>------------------<BR>Brain: "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"<br>Pinky: "I think so, Brain, but, if you get a long little doggie, wouldn't you just call it a 'dachshund'?" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,21,14,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:19 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <a href="http://jupiter.dgne.com/etc/centaur-3view.jpg" target="_new">my <i>Centaur</i> orthographic views</a><P>------------------<BR>Brain: "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"<br>Pinky: "I think so, Brain, but, if you get a long little doggie, wouldn't you just call it a 'dachshund'?" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cargile</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,22,0,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:06 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'll lean the other way and say they are "kitbashed" destroyers made only for the war. And Starfleet could have been creating "kitbashes" so soon if all their intelligence reports indicated that war was inevitable.<P>------------------<BR>"I know we are several years apart, but. . .the Force is so strong within you. Ravish me!."<p><i>Padme, experiencing a moment of weakness. Some might argue the Jedi mind trick.</i><p><p><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> <br /><small>Member # 35</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,24,15,18,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 24, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:18 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'll try to incorporate all this extra and rewrite over the weekend, and will redo my other SWDAO's then too. . . <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> <br /><small>Member # 35</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,28,8,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 28, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:55 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> OK, rewrote this one. . .<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>The <i>USS Centaur</i> was seen in the DS9 episode "A Time To Stand" where it was commanded by Captain Charlie Reynolds. The same officer, a friend of Sisko's, is mentioned again in "Sacrifice of Angels."<P>The <i>Centaur</i> seems to be constructed from an <i>Excelsior</i> saucer with certain additional protuberances on the underside, with a pair nacelles (which closely resemble those of an <i>Excelsior</i> turned sideways but with differences in details) in <i>Miranda</i> configuration attached by what appears to be an outsized (i.e., definitely not to scale) <i>Miranda</i> rollbar.<P>No class is specified, and no registry is visible, therefore the age of the ship is unknown. One point of view is that if there is a <i>Miranda</i>ised <i>Excelsior</i> then this it it. Another viewpoint says this is a kitbash in the tradition of the other ships in the DS9TM, one of which resembles this ship quite closely - with some telling differences such as the positioning of the nacelles. Points to note:<P>1. The name 'centaur' refers to a mythical creature that is a hybrid of two other species. There is a mention in the Encyclopaedia of a <i>Chim(a)era</i>-class starship - could this be it? Maybe the imminent Encyclopedia update will confirm it once and for all.<P>2. The appearance of the <i>Centaur</i> comes only 3 months into the war - could they have deployed 'kitbash' ships this early in the conflict? If so, Starfleet must have anticipated the losses they'd suffer.<P>So which is it? All together now: we don't know! I prefer to think of it as a proper class, maybe one of the ones we have heard of but never seen. . . the only thing to contradict this is a logical argument - why is there a kitbash in the DS9TM that looks so similar? If the components are nearly identical, then why not make a 'proper' <i>Centaur</i>-type ship?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> <br /><small>Member # 6</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,28,9,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 28, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:37 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> All I have is a side view, but I think it's fairly correct. Looks like a proper starship class, not like a kitbash (apart from my opinion that I deny kitbashing anyway).<P> <A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/schematics/centaur.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/schematics/centaur.jpg</A> <P>------------------<BR>"The past, the present and the future, they exist as one, they breathe together." (Annorax, VOY: "The Year of Hell")<BR><A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>Ex Astris Scientia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Antagonist</b> <br /><small>Member # 76</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,28,18,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 28, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:23 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Centaur class, possibley one of my favorite designs, simply because it's a cool looking kitbash. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><BR>The Centaur class has a look-alike in the DS9TM, and that look-alike is said to be either a design custom made by the shipyards, or salvaged componets from a battlefield where the rest of the hull was too badly damaged to use for reconstruction. I like to think of the Centaur as a customly made destroyer...and if we see ay others, which I am sure we will, then I will quickly add that Starfleet has seen the Centaur-type's effectiveness and so produced more of them. Simple as that, it's a patrol vessel, no more.<P>Just a quick question, but does anybody else think it's stupid for them to put the maneuvering thruster <i>that close</i> to the center of gravity?!<P>------------------<BR>I shall smite Sternbach with my SpoonSaber! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Hobbes</b> <br /><small>Member # 138</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,28,18,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 28, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:53 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> What are those pod-things underneath the saucer?<P>Hobbes<BR>9906.28<BR><center><P>------------------<BR>Got Trek?<BR><A HREF="http://www.TheFSD.com" TARGET=_blank>Federation Starship Datalink</A><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Elim Garak</b> <br /><small>Member # 14</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,28,20,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 28, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:14 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I believe they're sensors and torpedo launchers...<P>------------------<BR>Doctor: "Run along. I'll reattach any severed limbs. Just don't misplace them." (Voyager: "The Killing Game") <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,28,20,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 28, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:41 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Bernd: Two things I'm not comfortable w/ on that diagram:<P>1.) It uses <i>Constitution</i>-II pylons, which I believe was a mistake on the DS9TM's part (they did the same on the <i>Curry</i>).<P>2.) I don't think the <i>Centaur</i> had the fins on the backs of the nacelles.<P>Granted, I could be wrong on either or both of these counts. If I am, I'd like to know it, though...<P>------------------<BR>"You! Are you smarter than this one?"<BR>-Ambassador Byleth to LaForge regarding Worf, TNG's "Liasons"<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> <br /><small>Member # 6</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,29,7,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:09 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The nacelle pylons are probably not from the Constitution, I just kept them for convenience and because the top side was not visible anyway.<P>However, the nacelles have fins:<BR> <A HREF="http://www.shiporama.org/images/newships/ship1_13.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://www.shiporama.org/images/newships/ship1_13.jpg</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Federation Shipmaster</b> <br /><small>Member # 15</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,10,19,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:37 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Why hasn't anyone mentioned that the ships in the DS9TM are seriously messed up, so we should ignore what's in there?<P>------------------<BR><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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