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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,4,20,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 04, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:35 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> This has been bothering me since I got issue 4 of ST: TM. My hypotheses: The Intrepid's core can't actually eject. Here are my facts for basing this assumption:<P><BR>See this image:<BR> <IMG SRC="http://fabrux.virtualave.net/misc/voycore2.jpg"> <BR>Notice the struts connecting from the core to the floor.<P> <IMG SRC="http://fabrux.virtualave.net/misc/voycore4.jpg"> <BR>The struts are still there. <P> <IMG SRC="http://fabrux.virtualave.net/misc/voycore3.jpg"> <BR>See how the warp core cones outwards at the top? You may argue that ST: TM got their image wrong, but here's proof from the ep that it actually does cone outward:<BR> <IMG SRC="http://fabrux.virtualave.net/misc/voycore1.jpg"> <P>Now you may say that those struts spring backwards when the core comes through. Okay. I can accept that. But what about this whole in the ceiling?<BR> <IMG SRC="http://fabrux.virtualave.net/misc/voycore5.jpg"> <P>------------------<BR>All hands, brace for impact!<BR>WHAM!! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The359</b> <br /><small>Member # 37</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,4,21,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 04, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> One hing I just realized. If the core seems to 'free fall' out of the shaft, what keeps it from going a bit diagonal and lodging itself in the shaft? I mean, if you have the bottom half hanging out, and it begins to be blown back by something, it could rip the core into a million pieces, along with ripping up the area surrounding the shaft.<P>------------------<BR>"I am Sci-Fi"<BR> -The 359<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sunspot</b> <br /><small>Member # 77</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,4,23,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 04, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:08 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> There are probably magnetic/force fields in place, guiding the core through the ejection port safely.<P>------------------<BR>"Now that I have found someone<BR>I'm feeling more alone<BR>Than I ever have ... before" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Epoch</b> <br /><small>Member # 136</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,5,0,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:22 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Also the only thing that would be "blowing" the core back would be the random hydrogen atom. But I think that most of those will be stopped by the navigational deflector.<P>------------------<BR>If you need it I can build it. Just as long as there is a box of junk for me to use.<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dax</b> <br /><small>Member # 191</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,5,1,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Great, Fabrux, another Trek paradox <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"Forgive me if I don't share your euphoria!" (Weyoun to Dukat, DS9 'Tears of the Prophets')<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Elim Garak</b> <br /><small>Member # 14</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,5,11,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:19 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> No spoilers. All from "Day of Honor". <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>Anyway, I think they just messed up. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>Elim Garak: "Oh, it's just Garak. Plain, simple Garak. Now, good day to you, Doctor. I'm so glad to have made such an... interesting new friend today." (DS9: "Past Prologue") <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dax</b> <br /><small>Member # 191</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,5,11,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:36 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Nah, they never mess up <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"Forgive me if I don't share your euphoria!" (Weyoun to Dukat, DS9 'Tears of the Prophets')<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Elim Garak</b> <br /><small>Member # 14</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,5,11,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:52 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *Garak speak* Of course... <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>Elim Garak: "Oh, it's just Garak. Plain, simple Garak. Now, good day to you, Doctor. I'm so glad to have made such an... interesting new friend today." (DS9: "Past Prologue") <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,6,0,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 06, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:07 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Actually, that drawing shows the fuel injectors to be much wider than the picture of the core actually leaving the ship. In that one, the injectors don't get much wider than that ring just below the purple part...<P>------------------<BR>"Maybe they're trying to breed them..."<BR>-guy in my math class, suggesting a reason for there being two overhead projectors in the classroom <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dax</b> <br /><small>Member # 191</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,6,9,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 06, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:07 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Good point, TSN. Another paradox explained <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"Forgive me if I don't share your euphoria!" (Weyoun to Dukat, DS9 'Tears of the Prophets')<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Montgomery</b> <br /><small>Member # 23</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,9,7,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 09, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:52 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I don't get why it's necessary to eject the core at all in the first place. It's the antimatter within it that poses the danger. In a breach, it gets loose and annihilates with the matter in the fuel, the core, the hull, whatever. <BR>Eject core= certain antimatter annihilation explosion just outside the ship.<P>BUT<P>Pull plug out of bottom of core and flush antimatter and other goo out with a directional magnetic field, or even within an internal "liner tube" in case of neutral antiatoms being present.<P>This means your core is still in working order, merely empty, or in the latter case in need of a new "inner tube". And by letting the stuff "spray" out of the ejection hole at the bottom (ooer <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"> ) you spread the antimatter over a wider area. The atoms would have little to react with in vaccum, and if they did it would be a weaker explosion over a wider area. An explosion less likely to blow up your ship if you remember to give a quick burst of thrust just as you eject to push yourself clear.<P>------------------<BR>Oh Mr Rasberry, so sharp your juices!<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> <br /><small>Member # 35</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,9,8,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 09, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:57 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Er. No. You see, if they could perform such a safe, controlled ecauation of antimatter from the system, then they could easily move it somewhere wlse within the ship. But they can't. That whole system's about to go KABLOOEY! So they dump it. You've seen enough warp-core breaches and what they do to ships by now, you want that going on under yo ass? Shee*t, no! E-ject that motherf***er. I'm down. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Montgomery</b> <br /><small>Member # 23</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,9,9,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 09, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:20 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I still think there's gotta be a better way than a core dump. <BR>Man drives on highway. Engine starts to smoke. Engine on fire! Man presses button and engine ejects through bonnet and shatters itself on a cow in a nearby field. man walks home.<BR> <BR>That'd never do! <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>Oh Mr Rasberry, so sharp your juices!<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Elim Garak</b> <br /><small>Member # 14</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,9,14,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 09, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:57 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, besides the fact that space is much less crowded than a highway... the analogy is perfect...<P>------------------<BR>Elim Garak: "Oh, it's just Garak. Plain, simple Garak. Now, good day to you, Doctor. I'm so glad to have made such an... interesting new friend today." (DS9: "Past Prologue") <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mikey T</b> <br /><small>Member # 144</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,11,3,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 11, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:00 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I just thought of this while reading the Star Trek: TNG Tech Manual, why haven't we seen any starship eject the antimatter pods? We have all seen at least one ship, whether Voyager or the Enterprise-E eject its core, but if the ship sustains any damage to the Warp Propulsion System, why is it that the core goes out of the ship instead of the antimatter pods? I mean if the ship damages hardware components from the WPS, the antimatter pods would be the ones damaged, next to the warp core. I can only see the warp core being dumped on an abosolutely critical situation, such as in Star Trek: Insurrection, if the warp core sustains damage that could threaten the ship. <P>So, to summerize my endless bable tonite, here are my two bars of latinum: Dump the antimatter pods first, then dump the core if you're gonna have an explosion that's gonna tear your @ss appart and scatter it all over space. <P>------------------<BR>"It's not right, but it's okay. I'm gonna make it anyway. Pack your bags, up and leave. Don't you dare come running back to me. <P>It's not right, but it's okay. I'm gonna make it anyway. Close the door behind, leave your key. I'd rather be alone than unhappy."<P>-Whitney Houston<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>JEM</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,13,6,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 13, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:14 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I remember starting a thread about this very topic a while ago. My question was exactly that; why dump the entire core when the problem would be the anti-matter in the storage pods?<P>I've just remembered, although it was never seen on screen, in <I>'Contagion'</I>, Geordi has a line something like "<I>as you know in case of trouble the anti-matter pods can be ejected</I>" (referring to the USS Yamato), "<I>we know that ejection was started, then the computer halted the process and dropped all the containment fields</I>". I haven't seen the epidode for some time so I'm quoting from memory.<P>A pity it wasn't shown. the explosion itself was quite spectacular-a little more realistic than we've seen more recently (except of course for the dissolving skin on the saucer).<p>[This message has been edited by JEM (edited September 13, 1999).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,13,15,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 13, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:42 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think the answer here is simple. The antimatter pods aren't usually the problem.<P>The pods are designed to contain antimatter. That's it. (Ok, so they funnel it into the injectors too.)<P>The warp core is designed to take this antimatter and smash it into matter, producing huge amounts of energy.<P>Which seems more likely to develop a problem? The (relatively) simple pods, or the complex reaction chamber?<P>------------------<BR>"Recombination, then Viacom; Safeway."<BR>--<BR>Soul Coughing <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,8,13,23,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 13, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yes. When they say they are losing antimatter containment, which is more likely? That all the pods lost containment at the same time, or that the core did?<P>------------------<BR>"Maybe they're trying to breed them..."<BR>-guy in my math class, suggesting a reason for there being two overhead projectors in the classroom <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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