I have been wrong several times lately o:, but I'm risking my reputation to revive this forum . There might be a Centaur (*the* Centaur?) in "Behind the Lines". When the Defiant, commanded by Dax, returns from the mission to destroy the sensor array, a Centaur-like ship can be seen in the lower right corner (rather than a Miranda I think).
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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
Got any screencaps perhaps?
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Well, I will be dipped in sh*t. . .
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Gah! I can't believe someone else did the exact same research as me, albeit a couple minutes sooner. From Alidar Jarok's, by the way.
Sure looks like a Centaur to me.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
I did a search through those episodes a few weeks ago...if that is a Centaur, it's the only appearance of one.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Well, if it's a Miranda, it's quite misproportioned.
Perhaps that is the only appaearance of the Centaur that doesn't come from "A Time to Stand". Maybe those FX guys are teasing us again.
*tells self he must learn to spell Miranda*
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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :
This is a Centaur type ship. In a Miranda type ship, about 50% of the length of the nacelle is "slung" underneath the primary hull. For the ship in question, about 10 to 15% of the nacelle is underneath the primary hull. This comfirms with what is known about the Centaur type ship. A digression: The Centaur type ship may have the designation "destroyer", as opposed to "medium cruiser" [DS9TM]. In "Sacrifice of Angels", Captain Sisko mentions destroyers commanded by Captains Diego and Reynolds. Captain Reynolds is captain of the USS Centaur. The fact that the USS Centaur may have a designation may argue against the assertion put forth by the DS9TM that the ship was a warship recently built using the parts of salvaged ships. Why spend the effort in giving a ship or a grouping of ships a designation if they are to be temporarily used?
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
All ships have designations. There's no rational reason why they wouldn't. But the Reynolds in SoA was not described as part of a destroyer wing (IIRC), and it needn't even be the same Reynolds.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
I wouldn't put too much weight on the DS9 Technical Manual's statements regarding making ships from spare parts.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
To me the Centaur is a real class and not a kitbash. Anyway, it may be speculated if the Centaur has survived the mission in Dominion territory or if this is another ship of this class.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
It's best to ignore anything mentioned in the Ships Section (specs or otherwise) in the DS9TM. The whole back of the book is a dog's dinner. The Kitbash Section is the biggest joke of all. There, I've said my piece.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Must...defend...tech manual!
Well, not all of it, of course. Of course, it's a bit of a catch-22, isn't it? I can imagine Sternbach...
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I honestly would have prefered it without the ships - unless they did it properly, of course. Alot of the specs are unbelievable and/or create more confusion than anything else. The pics make nice scans (excluding the rubbish kitbash ones).
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
The kitbashes would be so much easier to swallow if we'd actually SEEN any of the damn things! Apart from a ship that sort-of looks like the Centaur, and one that sort-of looks like the Curry, and one that sort-of looks like the Yeager. . .
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
That's the problem - the pics don't look like the ships they are meant to represent. The specs in that section are completely ridiculous!
Does anyone know the origin of (or spotted) the 3 nacelled Excelsior or the frying pan Constitution? Like you said, TFOne, the other kitbashes clearly exist in some form or another.
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Well, that does look like a Centaur. Too bad it was used for a background ship. I wonder if it was placed as another background ship in other episodes such as "What You Leave Behind" since I finally saw the Norway class again in that episode.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
If it's the one Tom saw, it's a Saber, not a Norway.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
I should bloody well hope so too. It's bad enough I have to alter what I've written on the Centaur for UP3, having to do the same for my Norway stuff would be too much! I mean, what next, the "All Good Things. . ." Galaxy appearing on Voyager? 8)
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Old Vulcan saying: Only Voyager features interesting Starfleet ships.
. There might be a Centaur (*the* Centaur?) in "Behind the Lines". When the Defiant, commanded by Dax, returns from the mission to destroy the sensor array, a Centaur-like ship can be seen in the lower right corner (rather than a Miranda I think).
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