look in the upper right hand corner - its MUCH clearer if you watch the episode (I just watched it the other night) WOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW!
anyway, look in the upper right hand corner - that is the wreck of a Galaxy class engineering section...
go watch the episode.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Hmm...didn't we come to the conclusion that it might be a Nebula the last time we talked about this? Or am I remembering wrong?
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
No, you're correct. We never really decided, I don't think, although my personal opinion is that it's probably an updise-down GCS.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I'm with TSN - to me it looks more like the remains of a Galaxy than a Nebula. I wonder which exact Galaxy it is meant to be.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Could be any Galaxy - to me its upside down Gal, since you can see the deflector dish shape - when you watch it on TV - not the vid cap. and the Neb deflector dish has some wierd curves in it - where as the Gal dish is more 'eye' shaped.
It could be the actual Galaxy since we've seen her in Chintoka before.
Andrew
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Wait, that thing in the very top corner? Looks like a Saber to me. As for the engineering hull to the left of it, most likely a Nebula. If you look at the back end of it, you notice the nacelle pylos don't go straight across like a Galaxy. The pylons actually meet the hull farther forward. You can still see part of the engineering hull hanging off. Also, if this is a Nebula, the saucer isn't too far away. Look just to the right of the Defiant's deflector. There is also a Miranda saucer just to the left of that too
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Hmmm, seems like I was wrong. I watched the episode and yes, there appears to be hull aft of the pylons. Nebula it is.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Here we go again. . . that's a Nebula, period. You can see where the whole saucer has been blown off the top of the secondary hull. If that was a Galaxy, then not only would it have had it's whole neck blown off, but the bottom of the secondary hull too (because that's what you can see in the pic). With that level of damage, there wouldn't be any 2ndary hull left! Certainly nothing forward of the pylons.
No, if you turned that wreck over you'd see the largely-undamaged belly of a Nebula.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
*looks at the back end and the pylons* Well, whaddaya know...? Okay, so it's a Nebula... :-)
Oh, and, since someone mentioned the Galaxy, what does the encyclopedia-2.5 say about it (if anything)? Was it supposed to be destroyed, or not?
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Well at least the crew remember to turn off the lights when they left.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
TSN: The encyclopedia says it was heavily damaged, but not destroyed.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Isn't that what they told us for about a year, anyway?
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Wait a second, the encyclopedia actually mentions this Nebula Class from CFOE??? Wow, do they give a name at least or a registry?? And what the hell do they mean the ship is heavily damaged; if you blow off a Nebula's saucer, wouldn't it be plausable that the ship would be beyond repair, not destroyed but not salvageable.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
He was talking about the Galaxy.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Yep, I'd assume that TSN was talking about the USS Galaxy from "TotP". It probably survived that battle (I hope so, anyway).
I've noticed a very stupid line in "TCFoE". Near the end of the episode Sisko says that the Defiant was "the finest ship I've ever commanded". Well, it's the only ship he's ever commanded!
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Well that's why it's his finest. Aside from the Saratoga, what ships has Sisko served on?
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
USS Livingston USS Okinawa (as XO) USS Saratoga (as XO) USS Defiant (as CO) USS Defiant (the 2nd one, as CO)
He also served at Utopia Planitia, Deep Space Nine, Starbase 375 and one more starbase early in his career (forget what it is though)
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I'm glad someone else noticed that "finest ship" line. I actually started laughing when I heard him say that... *L*
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Maybe...just maybe Sisko temporarily commanded a prototype vessel at Utopia Planitia. He probably commanded it to test the warp field and everything, you know?
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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
He met Curzon Dax at Pelios Station, IIRC. I think Curzon/Odo mentions something about a dancer on it in 'Facets'.
Yeah, it's a Nebula -- a Galaxy-class would have had more swept-forward pylons right under the nacelle.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Something about knowing a fact no one else would know... "This dancer at Pelios stati--" "Okay, that's enough."
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I think he also oversaw the construction of orbital habitats on Earth.
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Sisko and Verad Dax give a fairly detailed history of their meeting in "Invasive Prceedures".
When was it mentioned that Sisko served aboard the Livingston? I'm sure you're right, I just can't remember.
It's entirely possible that Sisko commanded another ship while serving at Utopia Planitia. We know that Picard captained a ship we've never heard about. See my Picard's second command thread for more on this (if you want).
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Keep in mind that Sisko wasn't a Captain until a year after he got the Defiant. It seems unlikely that he would have commanded another ship, before the Defiant, when he was only a Commander in rank.
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