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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :

I have created this schematic of the Raven (and others) and I wanted everyone to nitpick it. I want to know anything that you see wrong with it.

You will have to copy and paste the link http://members.xoom.com/avalonsector/junk/novaschem.jpg

And also, I heard some where that the Raven's class is the Erewhon. Is that just speculation, or is it something that Okuda, Sternbach, etc. said.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

The SS Santa Maria from (I think) DS9's "Paradise" was Erewhon class. Probably just somebody decided to call the Raven that, too. Either that, or someone got confused.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Black Knight: Your link for the Raven page takes me to the Nova Class schematic. I really want to see your Raven.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

The situation with the Erewhon class is interesting because Jim Martin drew the entire ship in a design sketch ("The Making of DS9"), while only a portion of the ship was actually built as a set. We've never seen the full-size ship onscreen, though, and only know that it's about 4x the size of a runabout.

Speaking of unknown ships, does the Encyclopedia say anything about a U.S.S. Liberator, NCC-67016? The Type-7 shuttle that crashed on Armus' planet in "Skin of Evil" comes from that ship, at least according to the miniature seen in "The Art of Star Trek".

Boris

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

The Liberator shuttle was in the Wolf 359 wreckage, actually, IIRC.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

* ROTFLAMAO at Frank's quote *

Answer: Microsoft Diagnostics.

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[This message has been edited by Boris (edited October 30, 1999).]

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

LOL! too at Frank's quote...

heh heh

Andrew

p.s. does anyone know how to in freeagent change it so I can get both groups from my isp and the star trek ones... i.e. the expertforums... I hate the netscape news prog.

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :

oh, pooey.
http://members.xoom.com/avalonsector/junk/ravenschem.jpg

There you go...

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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :

Okay, where's the picture? I don't see it at all.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

*sigh* Copy the URL, open a new window, and paste it in there. But Xoom doesn't let you link idrectly to an image.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I'm fairly certain the shuttle in "Skin of Evil" was one of the E-D's, wasn't it?

*wonders how many people think Frank's sig is a joke* He really did say that, y'know...

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Looks consistent. The Raven seemed very "narrow" to me, this is why the main hull is only a bit wider than it is tall. BTW, after watching "The Raven" once again, I am quite sure that the whole design already existed at that time. Not only the hull shape, but also the nacelle (can be seen "bent" backward beside the wreckage) looks like the final version.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Either that, or they went back and looked at "The Raven" to make sure the design would match what they had already shown. That would be totally out of character for them, but it's possible...

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Returning to that "Liberator"/shuttle off-topic for a while (I'm not sure if it warrants an entire thread):

The Liberator shuttle model seems to be the only proof so far that the Type 7 shuttle had a side cargo door. Did any of the canonically seen ones even hint at its existence? Did we ever see ANY doors on the design, for that matter? I'm not sure that the aft depression (mounting the IMPULSE NOZZLE, of all things!) counts...

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Timo: You are authorized to open a new thread for it. Anyway, I remember the Type 7 shuttle has an aft hatch, depicted in the Fact Files, but it seemed pretty small. I believe there are side doors as well, but I have no canonical evidence. I wonder if the interior is designed to allow a side door (no consoles or such in the way). Maybe there is only a door on the right side.
http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/worldtour/shuttle7.jpg

Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

Larry Nemecek's TNG companion mentions that only a quarter of the craft was built as an actual set, due to the cost of realizing the compound curves of the model (which is exactly why Matt Jefferies had to scrap his curvy Galileo designs twenty years before, the crew probably thought they could manage with 25% this time). I don't recall what was shown onscreen, though, could this be related in any way?

Also, I was under the impression that there was a front door as well, because of that Velara III matte in AOST which was never used.

Boris

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

The original design sketches for the Type 7 do point to a door that comes out of the front of the shuttle, between the sides of the cockpit window. It split, with the top part raising up and the bottom part going down to form a ramp. The cockpit controls were then meant to be on either side of the ramp. Also, this shuttle was supposed to originally be like the Galileo, and feature rows of chairs from front to back.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

The model actually used does not seem to have a provision for the bow door any more. At least the lower part of the bow shows no seams, and the interior has wall-mounted consoles in the location. In contrast, both sides of the model have the same cargo door -like structure.

It's quite likely that the Type 7 shuttle would have been built in several models, some with cargo doors and some with extended windows. Those with windows might then have been forced to have bow doors (the Velara III shuttle had the extended windows, not the cargo doors).

As for the interiors, there was no sign of the cargo door in the inside. What we usually saw was the padded "luxury" interior of the Sakharov, shuttle-01, or just the partitioned-apart cockpit for shuttle-13. The padding on the Sakharov doesn't preclude the existence of doors - these would just be rendered inoperative for the duration of the craft's mission as a VIP transport.

And the interiors seem to portray only two thirds of the whole shuttle interior - the forward cabin and the main cabin seem roughly similar in length, even though we know the windows of the forward cabin only accont for one third of the total length of the craft or less. There probably was a third compartment further aft, perhaps with a small airlock, leading to the aft door (or doorlike watchamacallit - who the hell designed a door with an *impulse engine* on it?).

ObRavenComment, to keep on topic:

The Raven apparently also carried a shuttle - the cutaway shows a type 6 at the stern. But does the exterior have a hatch there? Are there any pics of the Raven from directly aft or even aft quarter?

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Timo: The aft view of the Raven (Frank probably has a screencap online) shows something like a ribbed shuttlebay door which occupies the whole width of the hull.

Correct. A real studio model of the Type-7 shuttle has never been built. I have seen a screencap where the 1/1 shuttle can be seen in the shuttlebay (episode?), and it's nothing but an ugly cardboard box with a remote resemblence to the detailed and curved small model. The inaccuracy is blatant, but it's still better than the Voyager shuttles that change their class during the flight

Posted by Lt. Tom on :

Or Voyager shuttles that become Ent-D shuttles during flight.

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Well, not exactly what I had in mind, but you got the point.