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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Black Knight</b> <br /><small>Member # 134</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,30,15,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:46 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I have created this schematic of the Raven (and others) and I wanted everyone to nitpick it. I want to know anything that you see wrong with it. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>You will have to copy and paste the link <A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/avalonsector/junk/novaschem.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://members.xoom.com/avalonsector/junk/novaschem.jpg</A> <P>And also, I heard some where that the Raven's class is the Erewhon. Is that just speculation, or is it something that Okuda, Sternbach, etc. said.<P>------------------<BR>Photon torpedoes, once a finite supply, haven't been a problem since all those Wal-Marts opened up in the Delta Quadrant. -Jim Wright <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,30,16,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:30 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The SS <i>Santa Maria</i> from (I think) DS9's "Paradise" was <i>Erewhon</i> class. Probably just somebody decided to call the <i>Raven</i> that, too. Either that, or someone got confused.<P>------------------<BR>"I think you people have proven something to the world: that a half a million kids can get together and have three days of fun and music� and have nothing <I>but</I> fun and music."<BR>-Max Yasgur; Woodstock, NY; August, 1969 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,30,17,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:21 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Black Knight: Your link for the Raven page takes me to the Nova Class schematic. I really want to see your Raven.<P>------------------<BR>"Resolve and thou art free." <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jim Phelps</b> <br /><small>Member # 102</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,30,21,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:29 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The situation with the Erewhon class is interesting because Jim Martin drew the entire ship in a design sketch ("The Making of DS9"), while only a portion of the ship was actually built as a set. We've never seen the full-size ship onscreen, though, and only know that it's about 4x the size of a runabout.<P>Speaking of unknown ships, does the Encyclopedia say anything about a U.S.S. Liberator, NCC-67016? The Type-7 shuttle that crashed on Armus' planet in "Skin of Evil" comes from that ship, at least according to the miniature seen in "The Art of Star Trek".<P>Boris<P>------------------<BR>"Wrong again. Although we want to be scientifically accurate, we've found that selection of [Photon Energy Plasma Scientifically Inaccurate as a major Star Trek format error] usually indicates a preoccupation with science and gadgetry over people and story."<p>---a Writers' Test from the Original Series Writer's Guide<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aethelwer</b> <br /><small>Member # 36</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,30,21,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:56 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Liberator shuttle was in the Wolf 359 wreckage, actually, IIRC.<P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>Frank's Home Page</A><BR>"Okay, what's an MSD?" - Rick Sternbach <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jim Phelps</b> <br /><small>Member # 102</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,30,23,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> * ROTFLAMAO at Frank's quote *<P>Answer: Microsoft Diagnostics.<P>Good One.<P><BR>------------------<BR>"Wrong again. Although we want to be scientifically accurate, we've found that selection of [Photon Energy Plasma Scientifically Inaccurate as a major Star Trek format error] usually indicates a preoccupation with science and gadgetry over people and story."<P>---a Writers' Test from the Original Series Writer's Guide<P><p>[This message has been edited by Boris (edited October 30, 1999).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,30,23,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> LOL! too at Frank's quote...<P>heh heh<P>Andrew<P>p.s. does anyone know how to in freeagent change it so I can get both groups from my isp and the star trek ones... i.e. the expertforums... I hate the netscape news prog.<P>Andrew<P>------------------<BR>"Remove your hand or I will remove your arm!" - 7 of 9 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Black Knight</b> <br /><small>Member # 134</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,31,1,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 31, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:16 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> oh, pooey.<BR> <A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/avalonsector/junk/ravenschem.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://members.xoom.com/avalonsector/junk/ravenschem.jpg</A> <P>There you go... <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>Photon torpedoes, once a finite supply, haven't been a problem since all those Wal-Marts opened up in the Delta Quadrant. -Jim Wright <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Justin_Timberland</b> <br /><small>Member # 236</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,31,1,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 31, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:22 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Okay, where's the picture? I don't see it at all.<P>------------------<BR>"Women feel the emotions of happiness, hatred, anger, helplessness, and desire. <P>Men on the other hand feel the guy version, Horny."<P>-Michael_T<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> <br /><small>Member # 35</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,9,31,10,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 31, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:23 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *sigh* Copy the URL, open a new window, and paste it in there. But Xoom doesn't let you link idrectly to an image. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,1,0,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 01, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'm fairly certain the shuttle in "Skin of Evil" was one of the E-D's, wasn't it?<P>*wonders how many people think Frank's sig is a joke* He really did say that, y'know...<P>------------------<BR>"I think you people have proven something to the world: that a half a million kids can get together and have three days of fun and music� and have nothing <I>but</I> fun and music."<BR>-Max Yasgur; Woodstock, NY; August, 1969 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> <br /><small>Member # 6</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,2,9,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 02, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:44 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Looks consistent. The Raven seemed very "narrow" to me, this is why the main hull is only a bit wider than it is tall. BTW, after watching "The Raven" once again, I am quite sure that the whole design already existed at that time. Not only the hull shape, but also the nacelle (can be seen "bent" backward beside the wreckage) looks like the final version.<P>------------------<BR>"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way."<BR>A somewhat different Janeway in VOY: "Living Witness"<BR><A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>Ex Astris Scientia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,3,0,27,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 03, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:27 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Either that, or they went back and looked at "The Raven" to make sure the design would match what they had already shown. That would be totally out of character for them, but it's possible...<P>------------------<BR>"Agh! Save me from the wee turtles!"<BR>-Groundskeeper Willy, <I>The Simpsons</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,3,3,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 03, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:30 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Returning to that "Liberator"/shuttle off-topic for a while (I'm not sure if it warrants an entire thread):<P>The Liberator shuttle model seems to be the only proof so far that the Type 7 shuttle had a side cargo door. Did any of the canonically seen ones even hint at its existence? Did we ever see ANY doors on the design, for that matter? I'm not sure that the aft depression (mounting the IMPULSE NOZZLE, of all things!) counts...<P>Timo Saloniemi<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> <br /><small>Member # 6</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,3,8,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 03, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:44 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Timo: You are authorized to open a new thread for it. Anyway, I remember the Type 7 shuttle has an aft hatch, depicted in the Fact Files, but it seemed pretty small. I believe there are side doors as well, but I have no canonical evidence. I wonder if the interior is designed to allow a side door (no consoles or such in the way). Maybe there is only a door on the right side. <BR> <A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/worldtour/shuttle7.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/worldtour/shuttle7.jpg</A> <P>------------------<BR>"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way."<BR>A somewhat different Janeway in VOY: "Living Witness"<BR><A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>Ex Astris Scientia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jim Phelps</b> <br /><small>Member # 102</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,3,14,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 03, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:32 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Larry Nemecek's TNG companion mentions that only a quarter of the craft was built as an actual set, due to the cost of realizing the compound curves of the model (which is exactly why Matt Jefferies had to scrap his curvy Galileo designs twenty years before, the crew probably thought they could manage with 25% this time). I don't recall what was shown onscreen, though, could this be related in any way?<P>Also, I was under the impression that there was a front door as well, because of that Velara III matte in AOST which was never used.<P>Boris<P>------------------<BR>"Wrong again. Although we want to be scientifically accurate, we've found that selection of [Photon Energy Plasma Scientifically Inaccurate as a major Star Trek format error] usually indicates a preoccupation with science and gadgetry over people and story."<p>---a Writers' Test from the Original Series Writer's Guide<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The359</b> <br /><small>Member # 37</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,3,16,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 03, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The original design sketches for the Type 7 do point to a door that comes out of the front of the shuttle, between the sides of the cockpit window. It split, with the top part raising up and the bottom part going down to form a ramp. The cockpit controls were then meant to be on either side of the ramp. Also, this shuttle was supposed to originally be like the Galileo, and feature rows of chairs from front to back.<P>------------------<BR>"Can you pull in the leviathan with a fishhook or tie down his tongue with a rope? Can you put a cord through his nose or pierce his jaw with a hook? Will he keep begging you for mercy? Will he speak to you with gentle words? Will he make an agreement with you for you to take him as your slave for life? Can you make a pet of him like a bird or put him on a leash for your girls? Will traders barter for him? Will they divide him up among the merchants? Can you fill his hide with harpoons or his head with fishing spears. If you lay a hand on him, you will remember the struggle and never do it again!" -Job 41:1 - Job 41:8<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,5,6,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:06 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The model actually used does not seem to have a provision for the bow door any more. At least the lower part of the bow shows no seams, and the interior has wall-mounted consoles in the location. In contrast, both sides of the model have the same cargo door -like structure.<P>It's quite likely that the Type 7 shuttle would have been built in several models, some with cargo doors and some with extended windows. Those with windows might then have been forced to have bow doors (the Velara III shuttle had the extended windows, not the cargo doors).<P>As for the interiors, there was no sign of the cargo door in the inside. What we usually saw was the padded "luxury" interior of the Sakharov, shuttle-01, or just the partitioned-apart cockpit for shuttle-13. The padding on the Sakharov doesn't preclude the existence of doors - these would just be rendered inoperative for the duration of the craft's mission as a VIP transport.<P>And the interiors seem to portray only two thirds of the whole shuttle interior - the forward cabin and the main cabin seem roughly similar in length, even though we know the windows of the forward cabin only accont for one third of the total length of the craft or less. There probably was a third compartment further aft, perhaps with a small airlock, leading to the aft door (or doorlike watchamacallit - who the hell designed a door with an *impulse engine* on it?).<P>ObRavenComment, to keep on topic:<P>The Raven apparently also carried a shuttle - the cutaway shows a type 6 at the stern. But does the exterior have a hatch there? Are there any pics of the Raven from directly aft or even aft quarter?<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> <br /><small>Member # 6</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,11,8,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 11, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:41 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Timo: The aft view of the Raven (Frank probably has a screencap online) shows something like a ribbed shuttlebay door which occupies the whole width of the hull.<P>Correct. A real studio model of the Type-7 shuttle has never been built. I have seen a screencap where the 1/1 shuttle can be seen in the shuttlebay (episode?), and it's nothing but an ugly cardboard box with a remote resemblence to the detailed and curved small model. The inaccuracy is blatant, but it's still better than the Voyager shuttles that change their class during the flight <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way."<BR>A somewhat different Janeway in VOY: "Living Witness"<BR><A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>Ex Astris Scientia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lt. Tom</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,11,21,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 11, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:46 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Or Voyager shuttles that become Ent-D shuttles during flight. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> <br /><small>Member # 6</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,12,6,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 12, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:09 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, not exactly what I had in mind, but you got the point. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way."<BR>A somewhat different Janeway in VOY: "Living Witness"<BR><A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>Ex Astris Scientia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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