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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,1,2,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 01, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I've been thinking about the Sydney class and her sister, the nameless DS9 ship. It is my contention that the DS9 vessel is meant to be a different class, and not just the Sydney upside down.<P><a href="http://kcohn.simplenet.com/alidarjarok/deepspace9/chrysalis/Chry50.jpg">This is a picture that our First One found of the nameless ship.</a><P>Notice the angle on the nacelles. As far as I can recall, those on the Jenolan were at right angles. These appear to be slanted, though that may just be due to the slope the ship itself is at.<P>Furthermore, I'm still laboring under the assumption that this ship is somewhat smaller than the Sydney. Is there anything to scale it against? Other than DS9? <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>Of course, as TSN mentioned to me, the real answer depends on the bridge module. If it was moved to the new "top", I'd have a real case. Anyone know of any pictures? <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>Too many smilies? Well, I've had several Tootsie Rolls tonight.<P>------------------<BR>"Stirs a large iron pot. Casting a spell on Vermont."<BR>--<BR>John Linnell<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> <br /><small>Member # 35</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,1,4,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 01, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:36 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Actually, I reckon it has movable nacellle pylons. . . they lift up for warp, hence they were up when the <i>Jenol*n</i> crashed on the Dyson Sphere - they didn't have time to lower them. . .<P>OR The nacelles are meant to be down, but can be raised for landings. . .<P>OR the ship was upside down on the Sphere and it didn't matter because they had artificial gravity anyway!<P>Look, I'll come in again. . .<P>But haven't we only see one <i>Sydney</i>-class with its nacelles up, right?<P>------------------<BR>"'Psychos' do not explode when sunlight hits them! I don't give a f*** how crazy they are!"<P>- George Clooney, <I>From Dusk Till Dawn</I><P><A HREF="http://wwww/leenet.demon.co.uk/phaser/" TARGET=_blank>Starfleet Weapons & Tactics</A><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,1,8,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 01, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:11 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The only thing I can say about the Sydney class regarding it's scale is that it is several decks thick. Vid caps clearly show rows of windows. It is therefore probably 3 to 4 times the size of a Danube Class runabout.<P>------------------<BR>"Resolve and thou art free." <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,2,0,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 02, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:21 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I believe there was also an MSD in "Relics".<P>Weren't the <i>Jenolxn</i>'s pylons connected to the bottom of the ship, while this one's seem to be connected at the top? Isn't that the problem?<P>------------------<BR>"Agh! Save me from the wee turtles!"<BR>-Groundskeeper Willy, <I>The Simpsons</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,2,0,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 02, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:39 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, the thing I noticed about the nacelles was the angle. According to the fanmade schematic I'm looking at, the Sydney's nacelles start out right at the centerline.<P>------------------<BR>"Stirs a large iron pot. Casting a spell on Vermont."<BR>--<BR>John Linnell<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,2,5,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 02, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:06 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's impossible to see if somebody had the<BR>presence of mind to move the bridge dome<BR>to the "new topside" of the model, but one<BR>can say for sure that the DS9 version of<BR>the ship *is* structurally different from the<BR>"Relics" version. Not because any of the plastic<BR>parts were moved (I think none were), but<BR>because the "Chrysalis" screencap clearly <BR>shows an "impulse glow" from the rear.<P>Now, if this were an upside-down Sydney, the<BR>light would be pouring out from the big<BR>shuttlebay! The impulse engines of the Sydney<BR>are difficult to locate, but they certainly<BR>can't look anything like the glow on the DS9<BR>ship's stern...<P>So at the very least, the DS9 ship has had new <BR>and humungously big impulse engines installed. <BR>That ought to count as being a "new class"...!<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,2,7,49,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 02, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:49 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Welcome Timo! I recognise your fabulous contributions to rec.arts.startrek.tech. - I hope you'll hang around here a lot - to have your comments appreciated, and not just lost in the eddies of the usnet ether <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>Andrew<P>------------------<BR>"Remove your hand or I will remove your arm!" - 7 of 9<P>[This message has been edited by AndrewR (edited November 02, 1999).]<p>[This message has been edited by AndrewR (edited November 02, 1999).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Hobbes</b> <br /><small>Member # 138</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,2,7,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 02, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:53 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> We have word wrap Timo so you don't need to hit return at the end of every line.<P>I agree it's the Sydney model that the production crew changed a bit and thought, "Hey, we do this and this to that and now we have a new ship."<P>Or. This is a replacement for the Sydney-class. Afterall it's an old design, maybe this ship is a refit.<P>------------------<BR>7 of 9 alarm clock: "Wake up. Resistance is futile."<BR>Dilbert: "I wonder if I could ever date a woman like Jeri Ryan."<BR>7 of 9 alarm clock: "That too is futile."<BR><A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/thefsd" TARGET=_blank>Federation Starship Datalink</A> - Now with a pop-up on every page...damn you Tripod! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Gaseous Anomaly</b> <br /><small>Member # 114</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,2,16,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 02, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:35 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Could someone please, <I>please</I>, get a screencap of the sideview of the 'Chrysalis' ship? It's the closing shot of the ep.<P>I really think if people saw this, we'd have a better idea of where the new ship stands in relation to the Jenolen.<BR>That's the spelling, BTW <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif">.<P>------------------<BR>"Fire, Fire!" said Mrs O'Dwyer.<BR>"Where, where?" said Mrs O'Hare.<BR>"Down in the town." said Mrs Brown.<BR>"Lord bless us and save us" <BR>said old Mrs Davis.<BR>"I never knew a herring was a fish." <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Wes</b> <br /><small>Member # 212</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,2,19,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 02, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:04 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Is it me or do those nacelles look purplish? Like dominion material.... wierd.<P>------------------<BR>[b]Wes Button<BR>�CEO/Founder of <A HREF="http://techfx.brunslo.com/" TARGET=_blank>TechFX Graphics</A><BR>�CEO/Founder of <A HREF="http://techfx.brunslo.com/uplinkweb/" TARGET=_blank>The United Federation Uplink</A><BR>�Network Administrative Captain of <A HREF="http://axisnet.wircd.com:8000/" TARGET=_blank>AxisIRC</A><BR>�EMail Me at: <A HREF="mailto:Wes1701E@hotmail.com">Wes1701E@hotmail.com</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,3,0,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 03, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:14 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Perhaps those aren't impulse engines. Maybe the shuttlebay doors are open. It's already been pointed out that the light isn't red (even though impulse engines are only <i>usually</i> red).<P>------------------<BR>"Agh! Save me from the wee turtles!"<BR>-Groundskeeper Willy, <I>The Simpsons</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,3,3,18,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 03, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:18 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hi and thanks for the warm welcome!<P>Sorry about the line feeds - It's just a habit I pick from minding the 80 char limit while using a different terminal every day. And I guess I'll finally get a signature as well... (BTW, how do I get the emoticons? Apart from reading the instructions, which you cannot think I'd stoop to...)<P>As for the Sydney-lookalike, I think this is the case where it is most likely that Starfleet would build several ships of superficially similar shape yet varying size. When warships or explorers or other special mission ships get "scaled up", that's usually to accommodate a slightly different mission profile and thus results in a shape change as well. But the job of a bulk freighter always remains the same regardless of size. And while the Sydney clearly isn't intended for hauling bulk, I think the same argument could be made for a passenger-carrying "RO-RO" ship (the ratio of<BR>passengers to cargo could vary from size to size, though).<P>So there could easily be, say, three sizes of Sydneys,<BR>with one of them built "upside down" but still using the same warp field configuration and other engineering for reasons of economy and simplicity. The DS9 size would match the size and "market niche" of the various transports regularly seen docked to DS9 - Bajoran<BR>triangular ships, the "Merchantman" as the Bok'Nor,<BR>the Vulcan ship in "For the Cause", etc. etc. The<BR>"Relics" size would match the large "Antares class"<BR>(don't shoot, let's do it in another thread!) ships<BR>of TNG. And a third, even smaller size could match<BR>Kasidy's tiny freighter.<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Gaseous Anomaly</b> <br /><small>Member # 114</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,3,7,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 03, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:47 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Timo: Emoticons? Transformers?!? <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>Looked at my 'Chrysalis' video again this morning, and I've reached the conclusion that the pic posted above is misleading.<P>In the episode, there is <I>no</I> light bring emitted from the base of the mystery ship. Whatever happened to the pic posted, it exaggerates the glow, which I believe is nothing more than lighting glare.<P>And I noted a few banks of side windows as it passed.<P>------------------<BR>"Fire, Fire!" said Mrs O'Dwyer.<BR>"Where, where?" said Mrs O'Hare.<BR>"Down in the town." said Mrs Brown.<BR>"Lord bless us and save us" <BR>said old Mrs Davis.<BR>"I never knew a herring was a fish." <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> <br /><small>Member # 6</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,3,9,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 03, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:25 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Timo: Where did you get the information about the Sydney shuttlebay? I only know that the original orbital shuttle had some kind of numbered cargo modules in the rear, I don't know any rear view of the Sydney.<P>------------------<BR>"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way."<BR>A somewhat different Janeway in VOY: "Living Witness"<BR><A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>Ex Astris Scientia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,3,22,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 03, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:47 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> There's a fanmade schematic that I have access to...if I had access to a working scanner I could share it.<P>------------------<BR>"Stirs a large iron pot. Casting a spell on Vermont."<BR>--<BR>John Linnell<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dax</b> <br /><small>Member # 191</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,4,5,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 04, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:24 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Timo: By emoticons do you mean these things <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/frown.gif">? Try to edit this post and you'll see the light.<P>------------------<BR>"Forgive me if I don't share your euphoria!" (Weyoun to Dukat, Tears of the Prophets)<BR><A HREF="http://www.space.net.au/~mdax/index.htm" TARGET=_blank>Dax's Ships of STAR TREK</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,4,8,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 04, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:37 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Try this: <BR> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/IDICPage/GemKirk60.html" TARGET=_blank>http://members.aol.com/IDICPage/GemKirk60.html</A> <P>Note that the modifications do away with all the "small craft" features of the original shuttle design. Gone are the ventral "nacelles" (which were anachronistic for STVI but perfect for Generations), all the large portholes, and any traces of the doorway. Also note the teeny weeny control cabin above the shuttlebay!<P>It seems that the shuttlebay has a ramplike door that is open in this picture but might be moveable in the actual model. The small dark square thing below the shuttlebay might in turn be the impulse engine.<P>Dax: thanks a million for the tip <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"> It's nice to be here. Now if I just learned not to hit the line feed quite so often...<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,4,21,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 04, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:19 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hmm. After looking at those pictures, I'm not so sure about the warp nacelles being moved between the time of the Sydney and the DS9 ship.<P>I sure wish that guy would put up a contents page for his pictures, though. Lots of great rarities, but no way to find them other than random clicking!<P>------------------<BR>"Stirs a large iron pot. Casting a spell on Vermont."<BR>--<BR>John Linnell<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,4,23,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 04, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:09 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> that 'shuttle observation' windows - might be a rec dec or 'ten forward' type room - especially on a transport...<P>Its probably called 8-backward <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"Remove your hand or I will remove your arm!" - 7 of 9 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> <br /><small>Member # 6</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,11,9,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 11, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:44 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I have received the Fact Files issue on the Sydney this week, and I was very disappointed. The ship is again designated as a large shuttlecraft or something like that, and it is not pointed out that the warp nacelles are of the same type as the Constitution's. The schematic is butt ugly and has several flaws. Most blatantly all the details on the bottom of the ship are missing, and this looks awkward. The window arrangement is not correct, either. Honestly, I think my version is much better. However, I have to admit the nose section is not as pointed as in my previous version, so I had to correct it, even though it looks less elegant now.<BR> <A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/schematics/sydney.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/schematics/sydney.jpg</A> <P>There is no aft view, but the whole aft section is labeled with something like "engine exhaust" (don't remember exactly, and it's German anyway). It is obvious that there must be impulse engines, but I doubt it's thast huge. I think the impulse engines are the small rectangular things sticking out from the bottom (which are not visible at all in the FF).<P>------------------<BR>"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way."<BR>A somewhat different Janeway in VOY: "Living Witness"<BR><A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>Ex Astris Scientia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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