I just noticed from watching Star Trek: Insurrection for the 121th time, the consoles that were with Troi and Riker's seats are missing. There were duty consoles present during ST:First Contact but not in Insurrection.
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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Not all bridges have duty consoles similar to Riker and Troi's stations. In fact, the Alternate Enterprise-D in Yesterday's Enterprise didn't have a chair for the First officer!!!!
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
That's true, but I was just saying that those consoles are missing in "Insurrection" and that does it mean while the ship was being repaired from near Borgification it was removed, or the entire bridge module for that matter. There are minor differences of the bridge seen FC and the one seen in Insurrection.
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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
I would guess that they either modified the bridge or put in a new module altogether.
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Posted by KXZ (Member # 119) on :
Probably just everday refinements to the bridge such as on the Enterprise D. Parts of he first seaons bridge of the Enterprise-D was a lot different that the rest of the show. I never really did like those stations in front of Riker and Troi during First Contact.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
The view-screen is different in "Insurrection" too. "First Contact" had the virtual viewer but "Insurrection" had a permanent one.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
I always wondered about that holographic viewscreen. . . I mean, do they expect us to believe that until they got to the battle, they were just staring at a blank wall?
Anyway, this should be in Starships. It's there now. 8)
Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :
Perhaps you're encouraged to hang witticisms on the forward wall to inspire your crew. Like "Work an extra shift and feel really good about yourself," etc.
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Sisko's Saratoga has no 1st officer chair either. Of course, it's possible that the first officer just worked in some position on the outer ring of the bridge. Same could go for the E-C
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Basically, they got all the way to the battle, assessed the situation, shielded the Defiant from attack, and THEN turned on the viewscreen to see what's happening? They must have done a lot of describing. . .
Anonymous Tactical Officer given the boot as soon as Worf comes on board: "We're HERE, the Borg cube is, er, this console, and the Defiant is Commander Troi's left breast. . ."
Picard: "Hmm. Better put us in between the cube and the Defiant, then. By the way, what's this cup of coffee represent?"
Anonymous Tactical Officer given the boot as soon as Worf comes on board: "That's just a cup of coffee, sir."
Wouldn't YOU want at least a forward view on the screen? Or would you just msitake it for a screensaver and start jiggling the mouse to get rid of it? And what's with the 'Starfleet Audio Channel?' A whole channel putting out every bit of ship chatter from a battle? Is it Pay-Per-Listen? Are there commercials? I wonder if you can get it on Cable London. . .
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Perhaps they were watching old Cheers reruns on the screen up until the battle...
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Nah, I think they were watching Riker's "home videos" - holovideos infact
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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :
Maybe the crew was watching "Cruel Intentions" for some sensitivity training...
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Just thought this might be worth a mention:
The first command we ever hear uttered by James T. Kirk on the bridge of the starship Enterprise, in the pilot "Where No Man..", is "Viewer on". Apparently, the old Enterprise also flew "blind" most of the time until somebody asked for the viewer to be activated. It was just Lt Sulu (not at the helm in "Where No Man..." yet) who was obsessed with keeping the viewer on 24 hrs a day.
This makes perfect sense to me as long as the Conn and Tactical officers have small personal viewscreens to keep themselves appraised of the tactical situation. Of course, Sulu had nothing of the kind (save for that fancy little HUD that only emerged for battle).
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
I guess the person who is piloting the ships in the 24th century could do it by visual or by instrument, like what our modern day pilots could do.
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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :
Well, for extended periods in warp perhaps having a viewer on would be as meserising as am endless highway stretching to infinity is in the US.
That said, perhaps that was the key to Suslu's piloting expertise.
"Sulu, what's your secret?!"
"Well, first of all ignore what they teach you in Academy, and fly with the viewer ON".
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Posted by Starbuck (Member # 153) on :
On the seats in "Yesterday's Enteprise" and "Emissary": I think it's not that there was no First Officer's seat. More probably, there was no *counselor*'s seat.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Actually, I believe the alternate E-D from "Yesterday's Enterprise" had neither an XO nor counselor seat. The captain's seat was on a raised platform by itself.
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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Of course, the YE alt-Enterprise-D didn't have a counsellor either, so a seat would be pretty redundant.
I'm sure they're are some early eps of TNG where someone gives the command 'Viewer on'. Possibly in "The Last Outpost", but I'm not watching it to check.
And to counter Monty's claim, aren't stars suppossed to be pretty? I'm sure the crew would love to watch them fly by, and feel "inspired" or sumink.
Actuall,y to go back to the original point, what was the advantage of the 3d viewer, Since the flat viewers were 3d too. Was it so you could walk around the picture? Or was Picard suppossed to stand in the middle of the holoviewer, grab the Borg cube and say "I am pinching your head"?
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I don't think you could walk into or around the picture. I think it was just that that section of the wall could display holographic images other than the viewscreen. Basically, the only difference between it and a normal viewscreen is that there was no frame.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
I imagine the bridge crew could get dizzy watching the star streaks or whatever they actually represent fly by all the time. It's also unnecessarily boring, not better than staring at an empty wall. I don't know what Sulu liked about it. I would use the screen as a main status monitor, maybe with insets showing live views from different crucial areas of the ship (not what you think in your dirty imagination ;-)).
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Actually, when I first heard that the new film (this was in mid-1996) was going to feature a 'holographic viewscreen' I assumed it would be either a 3D affair. . . which admittedly sounded crap. Maybe the holographic viewscreen was capable of giving virtual views of what they were looking at, extrapolating from available information. Or something.
So why replace it? Maybe they got a holocommunicator instead, and *sarcastically* we all know how extensively those are used nowadays. . .
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What about those holograms that came out of the Picard's Desk and the obs lounge table - seen in "The Last Outpost" - pity we didn't see them again... would have been cool... especially as computer graphics got better - well we know where Crusade stole their idea from...
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
And La Femme Nikita (the series), and the latest Bond film, and. . .
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Return of the Jedi too. And bad bad people who didn't realise that reference in South Park: BL&U
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