This is a Saber-class MSD (obviously) of unknown origin I received a few weeks ago. I was surprised, since it looks very "official" although I never heard it was featured in the ST Magazine or in some other authorized publication. Anyone know where it could be taken from? http://www.homestead.com/thetrekker/files/Sabre_MSD.jpg
If it is fan-made (why should Okuda or Drexler bother to create an MSD for a rather obscure ship?), it's the best one I have ever seen. The ship would be only 130m. Note the horizontal warp core!
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Yeah, I think it's fan-created. There are two many rough edges. . .
Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
Chris Gough made it for UP2, did he not?
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That's one impressing piece of work. Just by smoothing the borders and aligning the cut-and-pasted parts a bit more exactly, one could print this in a Paramount book. (Actually, this one has more class than most of the pics that make it into a Paramount book...)
Just one thing that I find a bit surprising: why so much attention to self-destruct mechanisms? Both the torpedo launchers seem to be aimed inwards!
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
I don't remember seeing it before, but we know how many people delight in taking Chris's work and passing it off as their own, so. . .
Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
The shuttles come from the Defiant MSD.
Boris
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Actually, it is an edited version I have made for Lance. It is taken from a larger diagram from Ben Potter that also included Intrepid, Prometheus, Defiant and Nova. The repeated JPG compression has probably affected the edges. It is also interesting that the Prometheus MSD is not the one from the Encyclopedia, actually, the one I have is much better except that it suggests a one-piece M/ARA throughout all decks of the secondary hull . Was a Promi MSD featured in the ST Magazine?
I will post the complete MSD image once I have managed to reduce the size without further blurring it.
Posted by Leo on :
I think I saw that at UP2 also... they had quite a few images. About the Prometheus though, you don't mean this one do you? http://ussnova.cjb.net/prometheus.jpg
It's version 2 (unofficially v18), LCARS added after some retouching was done.
Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
Who made that one, was it you Leo?
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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
Oh, that must have been that one that I (personally) found at an RPG site, and you added the LCARS Leo?
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Posted by Leo on :
Right on both counts. The cut out's available on a couple pbems, but I made it out of the Voyager and Enterprise-E cut outs for the USS Prometheus sim (AES) after giving up on looking for anything official - hardly accurate considering it has three bridges and the warp cores aren't placed correctly either, but after getting the official MSD I'm looking forward to a remake (v19).
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Posted by Graboid on :
The Prometheus cutaway was most definately created by Leo first (before any official one was released). I know this because I saw several versions of it in the design process over a year ago when he was working on it.
Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
I downloaded that Saber MSD when UP2 was still online, along with the Akira Class MSD (Which is so small). I like this Prometheus MSD, better than the official MSD since there are too many inaccurate things about it.
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Posted by Leo on :
I think I still have both those somewhere, but they also had the Defiant and Intrepid cutouts (presumably where they did the Akira and Sabre from). Those're the best for inspiration on image editing... anyone know if Eric Gough and co have any plans to reestablish UP?
(side note: does anyone have the full cutaway for the Nova-Class or Dauntless?)
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Eric? 8)
Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
And UP will be back, eventually. UP3 to be exact.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Leo, this is the MSD, however, your original version is crisper. I only wonder why the warp coils have been removed. This is what I received, reduced in size: http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/temp/5-msd.jpg The sizes: Intrepid (reference): 344m Defiant: 127m Saber: 160m (would have very tall decks as depicted) Prometheus: 360m Nova: 200m (definitely too long. The ship has only 8 decks with a maximum height of 4m, and this gives us a length of around 160m)
In any case the official MSD is crap, it is lacking important details such as the exact hull shape. The only point about Leo's schematic is that the Prometheus should have two more decks in the wedge, this would also make the ship longer. I wonder why on both the official schematic and your version the nacelles are not sticking out far enough. A coincidence?
Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
Bernd: I was kinda under the impression that the human figures in the Equinox cutaway vindicate Rick's comments about 13-16' decks. I got 200-220 meters regardless of whether I used the 110' total height or the human figures. Could the proportions be incorrect, meaning that the Equinox is not as elongated as in the MSD?
Boris
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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Timo's right, though, it sure DOES look like the Sabre's torp launchers point the wrong way, back into the ship.
Is that an oops, or am I missing something?
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Posted by Leo on :
Thanks Bernd! As to why that image doesn't have the warp engines, it's because that was v17 of the cutout (the one people are more likely to catch on websites since their managers don't like updating...).
About how far out the nacelles are: I drew the outline from the Prometheus Schematics in ST: The magazine (http://www.shiporama.org/images/prometheus/side.jpg), it should be correct, but it can be changed easily as I still have the model in layering. As to the decks, I was told it was 13, 14, or 15, just went with whatever came out through viewport alignment - I stayed with it even after seeing Paramount's MSD which is really inaccurate in itself...
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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
Ok, but what's the point in correcting MSDs anyway? They are not meant to be geometrically accurate, and even if some of the obvious systems don't show up, we can chalk it up to overlaps.
The Prometheus has 16 decks, or at least that's what Rick said was in his blueprints. I'm not sure whether people know this or not, just thought I'd mention it anyway.
Boris
Posted by Leo on :
Hehe, it's more of a perfectionism guided to training. I'm looking into designing my own ships sooner or later but I want the basics down...
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Posted by Leo on :
Onto the next venture - I'm trying to do the Nova-Class cutaway, but I'm curious to know if anyone here has any idea what deck the shuttlebay is on?
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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :
I heard from "Equinox" that it was one deck below the bridge, or Deck Two.
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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
Nope, a major misspeak again. RS mentioned that it's supposed to be five decks down from the bridge, not two.
Boris
Posted by Leo on :
With only eight decks (according to the cutaway) it'd have to be either 2-3, or 3-4 which are still aligned with the saucer module. Any ideas on this?
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
It's too damned early in the morning to deal with this.
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Posted by Leo on :
*poke poke* Any ideas on the decks?
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
As per Matt's request, I've moved it somewhere else. I've left Sol's post in out of the respect I have for him, and the fact it just looks so damned surreal on its own. 8)
And as for Leo's question, nope.
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Where were the posts moved to?
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Boris: My previous estimation of the Nova length was based on the assumption that the maximum deck height should be 4m, because I had something of 13' maximum deck height in mind. If I raise it to 5m (roughly 16'), I get around 200m too, maybe rather 220m. I think the proportions are correct. As for RS's size figures, since they correspond with the MSD, I think we should take about this length as granted, although I don't understand the use of such tall decks.
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. Was a Promi MSD featured in the ST Magazine?